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How many of the people we don’t want carrying are taking this class? I wonder if the state keeps a total of denied permits by the Sheriff’s departments across the state???
Yes they do and it’s public record. They also keep public records of how much “they say” they spend on administering permits.
I just can’t seem to find it right now.
Found them…
For those that don’t like the details…
Status of 2009 Applications on December 31, 2009
Issued – 5 year 21944
Issued – Emergency/Expired 13
Denied 374
Suspended 19
Revoked 1
Void 12
Cancelled 7
On-Hold/Appealed 3
Pending 5
Not surprisingly Ramsey Co denied the most at 151. They also report the highest cost in processing background checks by thousands of dollars.
I would say Ramsey is not a permit friendly county. 
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The police can ticket you or arrest you for any reason they want. Does not mean you are guilty of any crime!
You have a first amendment right to free speech. That doesn’t give you the right to scream fire in a crowded movie theater!
You guys are against a tax to fund background checks. This is one tax I’m ready to pay. If you don’t want to pay the tax, then don’t! Last time I checked it is still legal to strap on your gun and walk around your own property. Want to go in public? We all want to make sure you are not a criminal, crazy, or otherwise unfit to do so armed!
-J.
Exactly!
Thats my point. This tax is in force to protect the general population…… the general population should all be paying for this tax, not just the ones that want to exercise there rights. The last time I checked I did not have any specific tax just for me individually for the National Guard or military but they also protect our general public, hence we all pay our taxes for these services.
Thanks guys!!
I’m also in total agreement, some folks simply shouldn’t own firearms. But then again, some people shouldn’t own boats either… 
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Thanks guys!!
I’m also in total agreement, some folks simply shouldn’t own firearms. But then again, some people shouldn’t own boats either…
Right ON!
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The police can ticket you or arrest you for any reason they want. Does not mean you are guilty of any crime!
You have a first amendment right to free speech. That doesn’t give you the right to scream fire in a crowded movie theater!
You guys are against a tax to fund background checks. This is one tax I’m ready to pay. If you don’t want to pay the tax, then don’t! Last time I checked it is still legal to strap on your gun and walk around your own property. Want to go in public? We all want to make sure you are not a criminal, crazy, or otherwise unfit to do so armed!
-J.
Exactly!
Thats my point. This tax is in force to protect the general population…… the general population should all be paying for this tax, not just the ones that want to exercise there rights. The last time I checked I did not have any specific tax just for me individually for the National Guard or military but they also protect our general public, hence we all pay our taxes for these services.
You can own a gun without paying for the permit, that is your 2nd amendment right. Just like I can own a boat without paying for a license. If I want to take it off my private property I need to pay for the license. If you want to carry your gun off your private property you need to pay for the permit.
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The Second amendment reads:
BTW, if you want to carry and not go through any government loopholes, go to Wisconsin and strap on your 6-shooter. As long as you carry openly (No concealment) you are perfectly legal to do so!
-J.
But in Wisc you may be arrested for disturbing the peace if your carrying openly.
Al
Hold on there don’t be so quick to pass along info that isn’t really correct on the WI tip… check this out
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The Department believes that mere open carry of a firearm, absent additional facts and circumstances, should not result in a disorderly conduct charge.
Found HIGHLIGHTED in the PDF
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http://www.doj.state.wi.us/news/files/FinalOpenCarryMemo.pdf
So yeah sure they can arrest you if they really want and try and charge you with something, but it’s not going to hold up and only leave them open to lawsuits with hopefully some very costly settlements.
BTW this clarification came out a little over a year ago, up to then that was the most probably action, it’s since been clarified.
Please note if one would like to exercise this right, they’d be best advised to check all laws and regulations, I know still can’t carry your firearm in the car/truck without securing it properly, something MN’s permit to carry covers…. Personally I’ll leave my firearms at home if I’m going to WI, until they finally pass a decent carry law. I have neither the will (care) nor the $ to attempt to educate the people of WI about their rights.
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You can own a gun without paying for the permit, that is your 2nd amendment right.
“the right to bear arms shall not be infringed.”
The 2nd ammendment gives me the right to BEAR arms……not only own them. In the dictionary, one of the definitions of “bear” is to carry.
Google: open carry wisconsin
All you need to know and more.
-J.
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The Second amendment reads:
BTW, if you want to carry and not go through any government loopholes, go to Wisconsin and strap on your 6-shooter. As long as you carry openly (No concealment) you are perfectly legal to do so!
-J.
But in Wisc you may be arrested for disturbing the peace if your carrying openly.
Al
Hold on there don’t be so quick to pass along info that isn’t really correct on the WI tip… check this out
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The Department believes that mere open carry of a firearm, absent additional facts and circumstances, should not result in a disorderly conduct charge.
Found HIGHLIGHTED in the PDF
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http://www.doj.state.wi.us/news/files/FinalOpenCarryMemo.pdf
So yeah sure they can arrest you if they really want and try and charge you with something, but it’s not going to hold up and only leave them open to lawsuits with hopefully some very costly settlements.BTW this clarification came out a little over a year ago, up to then that was the most probably action, it’s since been clarified.
Please note if one would like to exercise this right, they’d be best advised to check all laws and regulations, I know still can’t carry your firearm in the car/truck without securing it properly, something MN’s permit to carry covers…. Personally I’ll leave my firearms at home if I’m going to WI, until they finally pass a decent carry law. I have neither the will (care) nor the $ to attempt to educate the people of WI about their rights.
Funny, the Attorney General I talked to said while you probably wouldn’t get arrested, there is the chance, depending on circumstances.
This was maybe a month or so ago.
I’d consider that correct info.
Al
Where’s RiverRat when you need him!? 
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You can own a gun without paying for the permit, that is your 2nd amendment right.
“the right to bear arms shall not be infringed.”
The 2nd ammendment gives me the right to BEAR arms……not only own them. In the dictionary, one of the definitions of “bear” is to carry.
Bear also means “to have” in the dictionary.
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Bear also means “to have” in the dictionary.
If a cop asks you “do you have any guns?”….and you are not carrying, do you tell him “yes”? I would tell him, “no”……(unless you like getting frisked….?????)
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You can own a gun without paying for the permit, that is your 2nd amendment right.
“the right to bear arms shall not be infringed.”
The 2nd ammendment gives me the right to BEAR arms……not only own them. In the dictionary, one of the definitions of “bear” is to carry.
Bear also means “to have” in the dictionary.
Also means “to put up with….” 
-J.
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Bear also means “to have” in the dictionary.
If a cop asks you “do you have any guns?”….and you are not carrying, do you tell him “yes”? I would tell him, “no”……(unless you like getting frisked….?????)
OK, what if a cop asked you if bear any guns. What do you say?
If I go Bear hunting, does this mean the Bear might also have a gun ???? 
If you don’t want to pay the fees, don’t… that’s your right too… look at Ruby Ridge
big G 
As much fun as this is to discuss, I really need to catch some fish. Have a good weekend everyone!
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If I go Bear hunting, does this mean the Bear might also have a gun ????
You have it wrong……You have the right to bear arms…..not the right to arm bears…..sheesh.
The 2nd Amendment only guarantees you the right to own and use a gun. It says nothing about the particulars of doing so.
A quick note on the law itself: The MN concealed carry law was very carefully crafted by the people who fought for it, with very careful attention to even minimal bits of language (such as “when retreat is not possible” vs what ours says “when retreat is neither possible nor practical”), and, considering the bajillions of man hours invested, we got a damn fine law.
That’s got nothing to do with the cost.
The supreme court just upheld the right of everyone in the country to own a gun by overturning the restrictions in DC and Chicago. However, being able to own and shoot a gun is a substantially different matter than being allowed to carry one on your person, loaded and close-at-hand, in public. THAT is not a right, that is a privilege.
I don’t think the cost is prohibitive and I believe that, considering the gravity of the choice to carry, it’s enough to make you take the permit seriously. People by nature respect a thing only as much as it cost them to obtain, and I think the cost of the permit reflects that quite well.
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THAT is not a right, that is a privilege.
I personally don’t think you could be anymore wrong with this statement. Just my opinion. But given the recent supreme court rulings, it’s very apparent we all have the RIGHT to bear arms in this country. Why our government feels they can dictate where that RIGHT may apply or not apply is beyond me.
I think you may be missing the point of this, it’s not about the amount of money. This is about the fact we are being charged to exercise this right. I think the class is great thing and I support 100%. In my opinion, I think it should be required. Now if we could just get a boat operator license… 
To me, the magnitude of the choice to carry a weapon is minor. The magnitude of the choice to use the weapon is something no dollar amount will every matter.
Have a great weekend all!!
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The 2nd Amendment only guarantees you the right to own and use a gun. It says nothing about the particulars of doing so.
A quick note on the law itself: The MN concealed carry law was very carefully crafted by the people who fought for it, with very careful attention to even minimal bits of language (such as “when retreat is not possible” vs what ours says “when retreat is neither possible nor practical”), and, considering the bajillions of man hours invested, we got a damn fine law.
That’s got nothing to do with the cost.
The supreme court just upheld the right of everyone in the country to own a gun by overturning the restrictions in DC and Chicago. However, being able to own and shoot a gun is a substantially different matter than being allowed to carry one on your person, loaded and close-at-hand, in public. THAT is not a right, that is a privilege.
I don’t think the cost is prohibitive and I believe that, considering the gravity of the choice to carry, it’s enough to make you take the permit seriously. People by nature respect a thing only as much as it cost them to obtain, and I think the cost of the permit reflects that quite well.
I agree that we did get a damn fine law! I gladly paid the $75 for the privilege to carry legally. I think that requiring citizens who wish to carry in public to get a permit is in the best interest of the general population. Imagine what it would be like if we didn’t require training and tests to operate a motor vehicle! I know that driving a car is not a right according to the constitution and that we still have plenty of horrible drivers. How much worse would it be if nobody had to receive some basic form of training/information on traffic laws?!
I think that carrying a firearm should be treated similarly. I’d be scared half to death if any yahoo 18-years old or more in the country could walk around legally packing heat, with no training, as long as they had not yet been convicted of a felony! I’ll bet that many of our law enforcement friends would agree.
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