thank you for your thoughts guys it will be a tough decision next year if they are back that has been a good spot for me. permanent stands are illegal in crow wing county so we can not use that to let other hunters know that there is someone in the area. I did think it was legal to put up portables two weeks before season guess I never read that just thought that was right. hopefully it will be resolved next year will go up early to scout and maybe they will be around to talk to. the area is being clear cut all over 5 people in our camp have lost stands to clearing trees and over 300 acres has been leased by a local club making the area smaller for the same amount of hunters. it is really frustrating this year I was not expecting that. we do need to all get along though somehow. thanks again