ok, on average you will have larger bucks if you close hunting on them for the next year. HOWEVER, as I see it, the chances of harvesting a larger buck will remain generally the same for any given area. This is due to a few factors…

1. Very Large bucks are territorial and tend to disperse and stick a very specific area once they have matured, unlike smaller bucks which tend to roam.

2. While mature bucks will disperse, they will still remain mildly concentrated around areas that complement their needs, and thus the buck herd of the entire state might not see that much improvement…certain areas will, but those areas already have a lot of mature bucks.

3. This kind of repeats the last one, but…I’ve heard that even if you shoot a few 1-1/2 year old bucks as opposed to shooting none in a given year, the next year your chances of shooting a very mature buck will remain generally the same.

I’m not criticizing your effort for problem-solving. I’m just skeptical of the specific process that you came up with. Ideas are good. I’m just supplying the “bad cop” in the “good cop-bad cop” kind of discussion system.

ok, on average you will have larger bucks if you close hunting on them for the next year. HOWEVER, as I see it, the chances of harvesting a larger buck will remain generally the same for any given area. This is due to a few factors…

1. Very Large bucks are territorial and tend to disperse and stick a very specific area once they have matured, unlike smaller bucks which tend to roam.

2. While mature bucks will disperse, they will still remain mildly concentrated around areas that complement their needs, and thus the buck herd of the entire state might not see that much improvement…certain areas will, but those areas already have a lot of mature bucks.

3. This kind of repeats the last one, but…I’ve heard that even if you shoot a few 1-1/2 year old bucks as opposed to shooting none in a given year, the next year your chances of shooting a very mature buck will remain generally the same.

I’m not criticizing your effort for problem-solving. I’m just skeptical of the specific process that you came up with. Ideas are good. I’m just supplying the “bad cop” in the “good cop-bad cop” kind of discussion system.

there’s flaws in your logic somewhere.

there’s flaws in your logic somewhere.

For Earn-a-Buck to work, Outfitters cannot be permitted to get an exemption. Most properties that outfitters lease are exactly the reason that we’ll most likely have earn-a-buck next year. I bet if I drove around at night and looked at which tracts of land hd the most deer standing out in the feild, I could fairly accurately predict which areas have outiftter leased land.

For Earn-a-Buck to work, Outfitters cannot be permitted to get an exemption. Most properties that outfitters lease are exactly the reason that we’ll most likely have earn-a-buck next year. I bet if I drove around at night and looked at which tracts of land hd the most deer standing out in the feild, I could fairly accurately predict which areas have outiftter leased land.

I’ve had it! We haven’t made 1 sale…we just killed bambi…and everytime I drive down the road I just wanna JERK THE WHEEL INTO A GOD-DAM BRIDGE ENBANKMENT!!!
Tommy Boy

What we have here is a failure to communicate…
Cool Hand Luke

A guy puts a guarantee on the box cause he wants you to feel all warm inside, like maybe if you put it underneath your pillow the Guarantee Fairy will come and leave you a shiny new quarter. What if the fairy is a crazy glue sniffer? Then one morning there’s change missing off your dresser and you’re daughter’s knocked up, I’ve seen it a hundred times…so what I’m saying is for your company’s sake, for your sake, for your daughter’s sake you should buy a quality part from me.
Tommy Boy

HEY YOU GUUUUUYS!
The Goonies

Actually, when you think about it they dont pray for snow as they are protected anyways, and their eyes are weak due to the lack if pigmentation, so a glare off the snow would tend to work against them i think…i dunno maybe i’m wrong.

Actually, when you think about it they dont pray for snow as they are protected anyways, and their eyes are weak due to the lack if pigmentation, so a glare off the snow would tend to work against them i think…i dunno maybe i’m wrong.

We could have that kind of limit on cottontails, but it wouldn’t do us much good. With the population of red-tailed hawks and owls that we have and the combination of a cold winter we wont always get our limit even at 3.

Snowshoe hare don’t have a limit or a season, but they’re a completly different animal. When you have to take 4 or 5 guys and spread them out over a mile circle it can get pretty nuts. Their habitat is usually big tracts of paper company land with thousands upon thousands of small birch trees about 1-3″ in diameter or jack pines the same size. When one hare is runnin the circle you gotta listen cause the minture you hear them turn and head your way the bunny will be there, especially in deep snow. You always gotta keep an eye open for “sneaker bunnys” too, that are just tryin to stay out of the dogs’ way. A first timer that has run on cottontails exclusively will be amazed at what he will see a hare do.

Just steer clear of procupines! we ran into $500 worth of porcupine one day…in vet fees that is.

We could have that kind of limit on cottontails, but it wouldn’t do us much good. With the population of red-tailed hawks and owls that we have and the combination of a cold winter we wont always get our limit even at 3.

Snowshoe hare don’t have a limit or a season, but they’re a completly different animal. When you have to take 4 or 5 guys and spread them out over a mile circle it can get pretty nuts. Their habitat is usually big tracts of paper company land with thousands upon thousands of small birch trees about 1-3″ in diameter or jack pines the same size. When one hare is runnin the circle you gotta listen cause the minture you hear them turn and head your way the bunny will be there, especially in deep snow. You always gotta keep an eye open for “sneaker bunnys” too, that are just tryin to stay out of the dogs’ way. A first timer that has run on cottontails exclusively will be amazed at what he will see a hare do.

Just steer clear of procupines! we ran into $500 worth of porcupine one day…in vet fees that is.

We have a couple spots that we like to go to. One spot is grown up CRP pine trees right next to my house that is littered with rabbits and it’s an easy walk back to the house for lunch if you want it. It’s a big field and the trees are so tall now that we put up 4 or 5 ladder stands just so we can see to shoot! that is a pretty fun time i tell ya.

i have another kinda secret spot that we dont go to much, but the first time i was there i had a broken foot, so i hobbled out in the snow with my wooden shoe and a rubber boot around it. i stood on a cut-off stump in the middle of this clear-cut and 2 guy’s worth of rabbits in about 2 hours, with no misses. They were running all over and all i was doing was shooting in self defense. We had 4 guys along that day and limited out on cottontails(3 a peice) in about 2 hours. With my bad wheel i had to have someone have someone help me haul all the rabbits out of the woods.

we sometimes shoot so many rabbits in a season that we have to make up new ways to eat rabbit, anyways here’s all the ways WE eat it: fried, rabbit stew, sweet and sour rabbit, rabbit fettuccini, rabbit hotdish, and just about every other food that you would substitute wild game in for the meat. Cottontails are better tasting than the hare cause all the hare eat are the bark and buds off of the bottom of birch trees in those paper tree clearcuts…they start to taste kinda woody later in the season.

by the by, if you’ve never run a dog on snowshoe hare you’d think they were chasing deer cause those hare run mile circles and wont hole up for hours no matter how far ahead of the dogs they are. good times.

We have a couple spots that we like to go to. One spot is grown up CRP pine trees right next to my house that is littered with rabbits and it’s an easy walk back to the house for lunch if you want it. It’s a big field and the trees are so tall now that we put up 4 or 5 ladder stands just so we can see to shoot! that is a pretty fun time i tell ya.

i have another kinda secret spot that we dont go to much, but the first time i was there i had a broken foot, so i hobbled out in the snow with my wooden shoe and a rubber boot around it. i stood on a cut-off stump in the middle of this clear-cut and 2 guy’s worth of rabbits in about 2 hours, with no misses. They were running all over and all i was doing was shooting in self defense. We had 4 guys along that day and limited out on cottontails(3 a peice) in about 2 hours. With my bad wheel i had to have someone have someone help me haul all the rabbits out of the woods.

we sometimes shoot so many rabbits in a season that we have to make up new ways to eat rabbit, anyways here’s all the ways WE eat it: fried, rabbit stew, sweet and sour rabbit, rabbit fettuccini, rabbit hotdish, and just about every other food that you would substitute wild game in for the meat. Cottontails are better tasting than the hare cause all the hare eat are the bark and buds off of the bottom of birch trees in those paper tree clearcuts…they start to taste kinda woody later in the season.

by the by, if you’ve never run a dog on snowshoe hare you’d think they were chasing deer cause those hare run mile circles and wont hole up for hours no matter how far ahead of the dogs they are. good times.

bass, that is an interesting story…and one i will make sure to think about. we own 280 acres here in alma, and pay taxes on it and all that hubub. my dad plants crops for wildlife which is a lot of work for not a lot of kickback, but we have reaped the fruits of our labor lately. its kind of unspoken, but as long as someone esle in our family desires the land, i assume they will get first crack at it. it has been in our family for a long time, and while the value has appreciated a lot since it was purchased, i can’t forsee losing it. you’re right though, some of the other land that we hunt on; the land of family and friends may not always be there in the future if things keep up.

bass, that is an interesting story…and one i will make sure to think about. we own 280 acres here in alma, and pay taxes on it and all that hubub. my dad plants crops for wildlife which is a lot of work for not a lot of kickback, but we have reaped the fruits of our labor lately. its kind of unspoken, but as long as someone esle in our family desires the land, i assume they will get first crack at it. it has been in our family for a long time, and while the value has appreciated a lot since it was purchased, i can’t forsee losing it. you’re right though, some of the other land that we hunt on; the land of family and friends may not always be there in the future if things keep up.

Alright bass, i made a bad generalization, but you dont have to be such a bass about it. It’s widely assumed by most people that i know that waumandee and cream and other places are known to have a lot of deer. I should not have been so loose with my assumptions. Every little area has tracts of land where there are more than enouch deer, and tracts where there are not as many. quit tryin to ask for trouble, i’m on your side.

Alright bass, i made a bad generalization, but you dont have to be such a bass about it. It’s widely assumed by most people that i know that waumandee and cream and other places are known to have a lot of deer. I should not have been so loose with my assumptions. Every little area has tracts of land where there are more than enouch deer, and tracts where there are not as many. quit tryin to ask for trouble, i’m on your side.

In our small party, the size of deer has never REALLY been an issue. We hunt in a small immediate family party with a few friends of the family that have always hunted with us. We sit opening weekend with some people moving around limitedly. We always have a campfire and bring lots of food, and everyone always comes to the fire about noon and has stories from the morning and its a relaxing weekend. Starting wednesday we drive…and drive, and drive and drive. Sometimes we move deer and sometimes we don’t, but we always are together. We never persecute someone for the size of the deer they shoot. First year and young hunters can shoot whatever they choose. Sometimes someone will accidentally take a small buck that came flying through on a drive…IT HAPPENS. We never get mad at them or swear at them. What we might do is give them some crap when we see them next like, “Hey, here comes the mighty buck hunter” but that’s all in good fun. If we have someone that gets mad about someone shooting a small one, they are not invited back to hunt with us. We encourage each other to shoot nice deer, and it’s exciting if someone does, but if it’s one thing I don’t need, it’s someone that is going to get upset about the petty little things and ruin MY FALL HOLIDAY.

QDM was developed to let the 1 1/2 year old deer get a chance to develop. You could shoot all the 2 1/2 year old deer you want no matter what size, and the population would never be affected. What other people shoot is their business, what i don’t want is someone else telling me what deer i can and can’t shoot and i think that goes without saying for everyone.

In our small party, the size of deer has never REALLY been an issue. We hunt in a small immediate family party with a few friends of the family that have always hunted with us. We sit opening weekend with some people moving around limitedly. We always have a campfire and bring lots of food, and everyone always comes to the fire about noon and has stories from the morning and its a relaxing weekend. Starting wednesday we drive…and drive, and drive and drive. Sometimes we move deer and sometimes we don’t, but we always are together. We never persecute someone for the size of the deer they shoot. First year and young hunters can shoot whatever they choose. Sometimes someone will accidentally take a small buck that came flying through on a drive…IT HAPPENS. We never get mad at them or swear at them. What we might do is give them some crap when we see them next like, “Hey, here comes the mighty buck hunter” but that’s all in good fun. If we have someone that gets mad about someone shooting a small one, they are not invited back to hunt with us. We encourage each other to shoot nice deer, and it’s exciting if someone does, but if it’s one thing I don’t need, it’s someone that is going to get upset about the petty little things and ruin MY FALL HOLIDAY.

QDM was developed to let the 1 1/2 year old deer get a chance to develop. You could shoot all the 2 1/2 year old deer you want no matter what size, and the population would never be affected. What other people shoot is their business, what i don’t want is someone else telling me what deer i can and can’t shoot and i think that goes without saying for everyone.

How is that a setup for wanton waste? It makes sense to me. The only thing is that outfitters are exempt i hear, so that causes a problem for me because i feel thomas indrebo should be treated just as equally as everyone else. Right around the area where I hunt it happens to be that the population is very balanced. I saw just as many does this year as i did bucks, and we always shoot at least a couple does a year. That, and there aren’t as many deer in our tiny local area, but if you jump over to Tell, Waumandee, Cream, which are all less than 15 miles from my house…the population of deer out there is herendous! Then at conservation meetings in the spring someone will always argue that the deer herd is too small, boggles my mind i tell ya…

How is that a setup for wanton waste? It makes sense to me. The only thing is that outfitters are exempt i hear, so that causes a problem for me because i feel thomas indrebo should be treated just as equally as everyone else. Right around the area where I hunt it happens to be that the population is very balanced. I saw just as many does this year as i did bucks, and we always shoot at least a couple does a year. That, and there aren’t as many deer in our tiny local area, but if you jump over to Tell, Waumandee, Cream, which are all less than 15 miles from my house…the population of deer out there is herendous! Then at conservation meetings in the spring someone will always argue that the deer herd is too small, boggles my mind i tell ya…

You guys didnt give me a chance to finish. This 3rd buck is the actual real deal. It was shot by my 13 year old sister on Thanksgiving Day. I forgot to thank her when i was late to THANKSGIVNG DINNER. I should add that she shot her first deer on the same drive as this monster, making this the 2nd deer she’s ever taken. 10 pointer, 18in spread, longest tine 11 3/4in, most tines around 9in, 200 pounds. Good year i’d say.

You guys didnt give me a chance to finish. This 3rd buck is the actual real deal. It was shot by my 13 year old sister on Thanksgiving Day. I forgot to thank her when i was late to THANKSGIVNG DINNER. I should add that she shot her first deer on the same drive as this monster, making this the 2nd deer she’s ever taken. 10 pointer, 18in spread, longest tine 11 3/4in, most tines around 9in, 200 pounds. Good year i’d say.

The 2nd buck in our party was shot by Joe Dale. Some of you might know him since he works at Lock and Dam #4. Joe shot this buck on a drive the afternoon before thanksgiving. His claim to fame was he got up at NOON that day to do this drive with us and ended up harvesting this beast. 13 pointer, 20in inside spread, triple brow tine on the 1 side, 230 pound HOG.

The 2nd buck in our party was shot by Joe Dale. Some of you might know him since he works at Lock and Dam #4. Joe shot this buck on a drive the afternoon before thanksgiving. His claim to fame was he got up at NOON that day to do this drive with us and ended up harvesting this beast. 13 pointer, 20in inside spread, triple brow tine on the 1 side, 230 pound HOG.