Well if your like the state of Illinois it dose,nt mean a thing if you sell a billion sport licence or ten. And it dose,nt matter if sports people bring in millions of tourist money because all that money goes into the general fund. So your sport doller may be paying for .roads,schools,social programs, welfare and what ever they need money for. Most states do that.It would be nice if what money was gotten from sport licence was returned to the DNR budget but it,s not.

There are presently two types of inforcement officials. Type I is the official that we call the traditional police officer. this officer inforces criminal codes of state and or comunity.This officer is subject to EXCLUSIONARY RULES,which means that this official must obey the court rules of search and siezuer and miranda warning,follow seach warrant directions by judge or the case is thrown out.this officer can have you put in jail for life,or even the death penalty if he through a states attorney and a agreeing judge and jury decide to. The second type is the regulatory enforcement official,this is the person,whose authority is granted by statue as is type one,to enforce regulations in housing code violations,health and sanitary regulations and envirment concerns,and building codes .These officials do not arrest people,they do not carry firearms and do not have exclusionary rules to content with,but they do not have the Right to enter a private home or bussiness with out permission from the owner or representative of the owner,now you say how can he do the job when they won,t let the inspector in to see if the thing is built right or if there is polution or rats in a restuarant. Well if their not let in to inspect they go to a judge and get a administative warrant,which allows them to do thier job. If the owner refusses still the inspector can revoke the licence for occupancy, close the place down or have a sworn officer (with gun) assist them in making entry.Now to the point.The 3rd type is the conservation official.This official is a combination of type 1&2. This official has been given the authority (by state statue to REGULATE GAME LAWS, and be able to do so as a type 2 official this person can search and confuscate any thing that carries or could cary contriban game or anything that is under the statitory powers given by state. Unlike type 2 they do not need a administrative warrant as other regulatory officials need,they arrest you for obstruting a POLICE OFFICER.Now to the nittygrity,now this short part is my interputation of what may have promted this dicission. First the ice shanty case where CO,s found drugs while inspecting the ice shanty for Game violations. well we know what happened there, then the live well incedent. First the reason some of powers were not chalenged before was because most people don,t have resorces to challenge the state,and MOST casses in past did not call for jail time unless severe violations but most were or stupid tax,but now you are talking about drug busts etc. that could put you in prison and along with some abuse complaints the courts are now looking at the civil rights issue,Is the dnr of minniesota a regulatory department or a police officer that should be subject to the exclussionary rules of the constitution. obviously the courts agree,at least the appellet court agrees that the dnr follow official type one rules.Now the state still has the right to appeal the appellet dicision to the minniesota supreme court. Then this may go to each state where the dnr will be examined. It appears now that if on the st.crois or part of Mississippi river Mn dnr cannot search but wisconsin dnr can so if mn dnr is refused look at live well they walki talki to wisconsin dnr saying this guys giving us a hard time fix him up for us. Now someone stated that this would not happen to anyone well speaking from 28 yrs law enforcement that this may only happen once out of a thousand,but if your the ONE thats a 100% as far as your concerned.Remmember Police officers a very honorable but they still recrute from the human race.Someone mentioned hot tips,well under official type I ,if a unknown tipster calls in and gives a tip that his buddy next door has 20 deer in his freezer and refusses to give his name, then the co has to servey the place untill the guy brings in another deer then he can make records of deer and he brings another in he can then get a warrant based on what CO saw. If the tipster wants somthing done right now HE will have to go with CO infront of judge and swear under oath that he saw buddy with 20 dear in freezer thats in the basement of house at 111 bushwack place,knawbone mn.If the man comes accross sounding like he knows what a deer looks like and other small details like did he have clear vision at time,was he drunk or does he use drugs so that his vision was impaired a search warrant would be issued to CO listing that the search is at the address stated and that ONLY the freezer can be searched. If the CO goes in the next room and fines a pill of stolen goods,well their excluded,and if after he saw this stolen stuff investigates and makes a 100 arrests and he can see his name already in lights,TO BAD BUDDY!!!!! all 100 are set free. It,s called THE FRUIT OF THE POISON TREE,witch means any thing found after the illigal search and any leads,any thing opened the door for more evidence is dismissed,thus the term exclusionary rules,break one and your man goes free

Well this is a subject I know about. I taught the new recruits at the chicago P.d . I remmember when the miranda rule went into affect in the 1960,s all law enforcement paniced thinking that why after 200 yrs of existance should law officers have to tell people their rights, Well the answer is because someone convinced the courts that goverment officials (police) were getting confessions by trickery and long hours of interigation.So because of this abuse the maranda warning was required. Some yelled( well if you have nothing to hide whats te worry about). Well thats not the issue, as some one stated today it,s your car next your house. Remember the writers of the bill of rights thought that the 10 amendments were the basic rights of every human being on earth.(talk about liberal commies) and because of the abuse in England this 10 amendments were fresh in their minds.well the miranda turned out to be a good thing because now a confession can be admitted in evidence with out much question. when asked by defence console if he confessed and the officer states yes even after the miranda this puts his client on the hook.I also heard someone mention probable cause and with some humor and sadness also that most people think probable cause is when you see a guy putting 20 walleyes in his live well and you think that if you tell the warden then he can run over and make a search and seizer basses on your statement,wrong, If the warden see,s someone put 20 walleyes in the livewell he can arest him, but not because you told him.Now this becomes tricky,and there willbe further discussion on this by the courts. In a citizen witness of contribane or illigel activity the citizen must be taken in front of a judge,swear under oath , and tell the judge what he saw. If the judge believes him a warrent for search will be given. The judge will list ONLY the things that can be searched NO FISHING EXPIDITION BY POLICE, any thing found snooping will be dismissed. Now what I,v Told is for a dwelling. If your next door buddy saw you taking in some funny looking weeds that he thought was Marijuana that is what the police would have to do,have the next door buddy go before the judge. Now what about boats,thier mobile and by the time a citizen goes in front of a judge and the CO,s get the warrant the guy is home eating the evidence. Their is a difference between the rules governing search of houses and moving vehicals like boats and cars searching a house you must have a warrant, the house is not mobile you have time to get a warrant. In a boat or car you may not need more than a citizen complaint in order for a CO to make a search,but even this may come under scrutiny if the citizen does not appear at the trial date as a matter of 28 yrs. on Chicago P.D. I can state that the case WILL BE TOSSED if the witness does not show.Another point I would like to make is the power of the DNR. Let me introduce a michigan supreme court dicision that is being as the grandfather of this particular issue. The case was 20 yrs. Ago it involved the administrative authority of a arson investigator to enter a dwelling with out a warrant. the court ruled that even though the state of michigan ,by statue, gave the investigator the authority to enter a dwelling without a warrant and look for the cause of the fire. Well the court stated no no. Since arson is a crime and searching for evidence without a warrant is a violation.This is what the DNR has been telling the people that they don,t need a warrant to look in your freezer but I bet a million bucks that if you tell them to get a warant or back off they will back off if you let them search well then YOU GAVE PERMISSION. And I bet on those high profile casses you will see that they had warrants bassed on extensive survalence. The reason the courts make these desitions is because the government over steped thier athority and someone had enough guts and MONEY to fight them. So as someone mentioned this will still be dicussed in courts. Will a citizen be able to report a violator to a CO and that will be probable cause without warrant as is a car because it,s mobile or will the courts rule that citizen witnessing event have to swear in front of judge to get action. interesting

First off,just because they got a temp permit from the dnr shoul,nt mean the end of the permit chain. Don,t they need a permit from the town or county to build it and have it inspected so that it meets code. I wonder if they got a building permit.second this group is smart they should be working for world com and enron,like jon stated their going to keep thier mouths shut and let the thjing fade away. I talked to a lawer freind of mine who is retired like me,he is sharp and has presented casses to the supreme court of the USA. He stated that when they got the permit and had time to build gate that you are looking at 5 to 7 yrs before this is settled. the gate is up and even if the DNR tells them either take it down or we,ll tear it down. they can get a injuntion from a judge and then sue The dnr on what they threatened to sue them before on,and after months and months of continuences the local court makes a disission if they loose they appeal and the process staarts again. the lawer stated hoever issued that permit should be gutted because the harbor assn lawer knew that once that gate was up he did,nt have to worry for along time about removing it.

If it worked fine before you put it in storage and It did,nt work good when you took it out it probably needs oil.

I told you this was political pay back,and that gate will never come down. I,v seen this stuff before. Now that this gate is been built only a judge can make them take it out and untill they get a judge to hear the case may take a year and if by chance the local judge tells them to take the gate down they can appeal to a higher judge and after about 10 continuences and another year gone ,well you get the idea, this could go on for 5 yrs.

This harbor association is a smart out fit and red wing shoes is got a good letter stating that they can work it out. I can tell you that the harbor out fit is in no hurry to work things out. Putting the gate up in the first place by getting a temp permit was a very stupid thing on Dnr part,but I suspect political favor here. Now follow me on this,and mark my word on this. First the Dnr will not extend the permit,harbor association challenges the Dnr. Next if Dnr wins they will tell them to take down gate, harbor refusses and they go to court again, and of course gate stays up untill judge decides. harbor outfit argues gate is unlocked so therfore the public has access,maybe and this is how this crap happens just like a domestic problem with child visitation the child just happens to be sick on visitation day and momy dose,nt want child to go with daddy,well this happens 5 or 6 times and dady calls cops well cops say this is not our turf go to judge that signed order now after 2months for court date judge tells momy you bad girl don,t do this again. we,ll thats your gate latch some guy will try to open gate and it won,t open,fisherman goes away after 100 times somone gets ticked of calls cops ,not my thing cops say go to judge. judge says bad harbor out fit don,t do that again. Harbor said bad switch did,nt know it but got it fixed judge sorry judge by the time that gate is gone if it ever is dicided you and I will be old and tired and public attention has long withered and the gate will still be there of course it will be unlocked to public HAHAHA. now that the gate is up any judge that tells them to take it down will apeal to the next higher court and of course the gate will not be touched untill the new court decides and look for big money to flote around to politicians thats the game see you at the gate in 5 years guys that gate is there to stay and expect it to be locked by then

There,s realy somthing rotten going on here,why is the DNR going to re issue the permit as stated in the artical, And why is the DNR buckeling under to a theat of a law suit, what judge would give in to a obvious bunch of crap by the land owners and besides that ,s what the tax payers hire DNR attorney,s for their paid annual salarys not piece work. Somthing fishy hear and it goes up the chain may be father than you think once the initial screaming is done by the public the press will tire and the public will move on, and the land owners will not comment and slowly the whole issue fades away and by hold the gate will stay and they will get a perminite permit mark my word on this, this is a political pay back to these people mark my word has anyone called the govener on this.

Didn,t I read somthiong on the board about a month ago or may be the sippi board oh well it dosen,t matter. It talked about a guy dreadging out a portion of mississippi and then trying to keep people out. was,nt this guy told by a judge to put up a sign fisherman welcom or somthing to that effect. NOw obviously you guys have never heard of the golden rule. HE WHO HAS THE GOLD MAKES THE RULES.Kohler company did somthing like that near sheboygan and got away with it.

AMEN

You got it right on the head 95% like adrenilene flowing,and the answer is exactly that how you get it. most jet skiers,snowmobile and dirt bike and off road dirt 4×4 hot rodders can,t get there required andreniline waiting for a fish to bite this group would need too jump in the water ,catch the fish by hand and they woulds bite the fish. now that does not say all these people need a charge,like the people you mentioned but the profile is very accurate on the personality type. if you ask a large group say 5,000 and ask questions on what you like to do,sit and watch a sunset or drive fast down a curvy road and ask similar quetions in groups of 100 questions you start to get a profile in likes and dislikes some like a faster pace of life to satisfy there needs others don,t. the faster paced people are more likely to get hurt, it,s not a character fault, it is a fact of life that a mountain climber is more likely to get hurt than a person riding a bike. a PWC or dirt biker is more likely to get hurt than a guy fishing unless he is struck by the PWC . NOw lets look at the problem . poeple need to have recreation, some like to take a gentle boat ride down a nice lake to enjoy themselves others need to race down a lake at top speed and jump there own wakes, now who is imposing on who. the guy racing down the lake is getting his needs met,but the gentle crueser is getting screwed and that is the problem I,m not saying pwc are against the law but the very nature of the beast makes them annoying to the queter side of life that canoers and fisherman like.I have read a large number of fisherman mention how it,s nice to catch fish,but the sirenity of the river and enjoying gods creation is the real reason to be on the river,not once have I read a post on how wonderfull the river is from a PWC or the serenity of a fresh unspoiled snowy landscape from snowmobile hotdogs or the beutifull grassy hills and valleys from a hot dog off road 4×4.they distroy not enjoy nature and they only get away with it because of money,some of these small towns in the north need the tourist money they provide other than that what good are they

When I see statements like lets not stereotype any I believe you are referring to my comment,and as I stated my comment is that certain types of personalities are drawn to certain recreation. like dog owners I bet a sportsman even though thier not hunters preffer a lab over a poodle, a librarian would probably like the poodle better. So what profiling shows is that personalities of PWC and snowmobiles and off road atv,s, dirt bikes are usualy people that are fast paced and andreniline driven,impulsive, and have a thrill seekers mentality know thats not stereotyping thats a 75% to 90% garantee. I,m not saying some bass boat operators arent carless I,m saying that it is the nature of PWC,s type that is careless, they can,t help it most are born that way.

First off I feel bad for the family,s of those lost in that accident and the statement that it takes a tradgedy to slow people down,I wish that were true the deaths have only started with big power boats and PWC,s .I went to a F.B.I. scvhool on physicological profiling and are test subjects were snowmobile,P.W.C.s and dirt bikes,ATV,s and motors cycles, Now mind you this is not a science and only goes by probabilities and not all are like this but MOST ARE. The typical person that partakes in these activities are of below averege intelligence,are adreniline driven, can,t stand fishing or canoeing(not fast paced enough) are proned to drink to much(how many PWC,s do you see by the shoreline taverns and snowmobile during snow. Drinking is part of the profile,it is part of the game. Party people type thinking. the personality trait is anti authority. thats why they like it, no rules and the rules there are ,almost impossible to inforce,not enough cop,s most of them have been trouble makers all their lives and most are self serving , they could care less about you or any thing else, they could not stand and watch a perfectly calm piece of water without driving a PWC and messing it up or a snow landscape with out a foot print the would get a snowmobile and mess it up. they are not able to just sit and watch nature and enjoy peace & quiet ,I realy feel sorry for them. The only reason they are not banded from using them(PWC,s) is MONEY.there are enough deaths on the books to show they are deadly(they make everyone wear seat belts yet they still allow those killers on the water,80% of all water deaths in boat accidents are PWC,s but thats why they do it. IT,s RISKY.

thanks allot rooster I live in elgin il. area I will fish pool 13 in about 2 weeks tomorrow I head north to the U.P at lake gogebic for smallies and eyes nice quiet area no hasle with tourists beutiful area

as a retired officer that question should be addressed by the sheriff of that county.the power plants are privatly owned,but the securetly is also private, armed private security can only moniter the property of the power company they can only detain people on the company property. Even the signs that say no one allowed closer to the dam than 150 ft cannot be enforced by private security only a sworn public officer within that jurisdiction can detain a citizen on public water and land. those officers would be local ,county, state, and dnr police.I would call the sheriff and find out what the heck they (security) are doing stopping citizens on public waters Even public sworn officers have to have probable cause to detain you.those powers were determaned in the supreme court a case called terry vs. Ohio the case challenged the police authority to stop a citizen at all,saying that a police officer must visualy see the crime commited,state of Ohio countered by saying that carying a T.V. set down a back alley at 3 in the morning a person should be detaained. so today a police officer can only stop you if the officer believes you have commited or are in the process commiting or are presently commiting a crime and the officer must justify his detention in court any violation of 4th amendment rights and the case may be thrown out

Well now I got a real problem. How do you get duct tape off? Some one mentioned about being visible,so that $250 I won at the casino bought me 100 rolls of camoflage duct tape. Well I wraped my boat ,trailer,motor and truck in camo duct tape well I should have stopped there but I did,nt. I striped down to my boxer shorts and wraped myself in camo tape ,it took 30 rolls but I did it.Well I stood next to my truck but, the wife could still see me.I do,nt think the neighbors saw me ,because they just shook their heads they usualy say somthing.WELL HEARS THE PROBLEM I can,t get the tape off. I was going to drive to the store and buy baby oil,but I taped the doors shut. I thought this would do the trick,be able to fish and not be hasseled by Pierce co. Well I,ll be up any way, oh buy the way, if you look around and don,t see anyone it,s probably me. By the way this tape thing was steve,s idea he told me the cop,s would not be able to see me and I could stay at evert,s for nothing because Who would they bill!!!.

Hay steve old boy I think the soap and sock was used on me this time.thanks for the good time and letting me use your dock over night. I sure will be up again thats for sure and I,ll use a guide this time there sure is a lot of water on pool #4, and by the way that dynomite you gave did,nt work the fuse was to short. thanks again and if anybody reading this wants my opinion EVERTS is the place to go. By the way I won $250.00 at the casino at treasure Island

There finding that alot of this drug abuse is hereditary.I,v worked with troubled youth for the last 10yrs,after retiring from the P.D. and drug abuse is just the symtom of the problem,there could be depression involved,usualy goes hand in hand and is on the same chromizone at birth. I,ll bet there are grand parents or uncles and ants with similar problems but hawger is right seek help for youselfs alon is the place to go it,s free and will help you very much it,s like this board and the people you meet will be glad to see you because they need your help to these 12 step programs work that way you can only help yourself if you help others

hey mudcat it,s my fault, I had time but forgot about it, It,s the idea that the minnosota sheriff warned me to get it registered and that is called officer discreation the question is why did,nt the wisconsin deputy honor the minnosota deputy dicission instead he say well thats them and this is us. what kind of police relations you come awaay bitter.and to write another cop thats brutal.

I remember the big great lake scare with zebra snails it turn out that millions are cloging intakes on all the great lakes they have ways to correct that now,well any way the snails are making the water as clear as gin. they changed the way they fish on lake eire because the water is so clean and clear do,nt panic the rivers are moving water it would be nice if a local fish bioligist would step in and give us the skinny

there is a metal plate in the boat that shows what the max hp is for that boat if the plate is gone find the make and model number and call the dealer of the make

thanks buddy mav!!! I was thinking the same. I liked everts set up and I know those cabins are reasonable but we would not need that much room I hope I would not affend everts by just launching there and have a room close to redwing although everts is very close to red wing. I,ll talk to my fishing partner and see

Hay rocketman chill out some of us take longer than others.I never was in jail but I should have been. I,m like Hawger 7yrs sobber thanks to AA. Now I don,t know if the youngster has a problem with drugs and that includes booze,he will have to hit bottom to stop I hope this does it,but you take care of yourself and go to alinone and talk with parents like yourself. It took me 25yrs. to get my [censored] together and seek help. why so long ? I was a COP and we covered for each other ! there,s hope I ended up retiring, and turned to working with kid,s with drugs. God has a plan! what dos,nt kill you makes you stronger.

you probably get a thousand replies on what name brand to buy from all state to sears or who the heck knows,but here,s the story on batteries.buy a deep cycle.find a no maintenace type.the refill type is for hot conditions like a engine compartment. trolling motors and the battery are not stored in hot enough areas to have a fill type.avoid acid spill and filling buy a no maint.battery.there are not that many battery factories so your delco,sears, all state etc. could all be made in the same plant,battery engineering is not new so,there all the same in deep cycle. the most important thing,read my lips or fingers is age of battery . buy from a store that has a big turn over of stock, kmart,wal mate etc. AND CHECK DATE BATTERY WAS MADE. the newer the better nothing more than 3months old. you see what really kills a battery is shelf shuffle they move the older ones forward. as a battery sits the plates break down and short each other out causing battery failure. if that puppy has been in the back room for 10 months don,t expect a good result

I suppose all these brands are competative.Johnson & Evinerude are the same Mariner & mercury are the same and Honda & yamaha , suzuki I don,t know about they all are built well and it,s just who you talk to I suppose it may be easier to get parts for merc,meriner ,evin, and john but nowdays who knows all are competative and if their is a bad one ,word travels fast so competition would eat them alive so i guess there heads up on that stuff. eat or be eaten. these people count on word of mouth more than tv adds . to much bad talk will kill them

I just bought a brand new 1999 Mariner 4 stroke 15 hp.yes brand new for 1500 are mariners any good i always had a Evinrude

I drove into everts on a short visit and the place looked nice just a short hop to dam. met steve in pick up seems like a nice lad ,I know he shovels those ramps in bad weather,and i bet he would give you a hand if you needed a hand i,m a older fisher man and somtimes i need a little help.and it,s not a bad idea to give a guy few bucks to feed the family to sometimes these state ramps drive out the family owned bussiness. Is this the way you wanted me to say it steve, I,ll pick up my free boat launce pass in the morning.everts, everts raw, raw raw!!!!!

amen to that bill. I remember seeing large pike speared and every one standing around smilling as if they did somthing real brave now if your starving thats different, but fishing to me is different than when i was a kid, attitudes were catch many ,catch often. now catch and release is the thing. and if my grandchildren cary on what you young fisherman started there will be fishing forever.we made a terrible mistake back then,we did,nt have the knowledge they have now. if every body tossed back 18 inch and kept a few under as eaters we would have plenty fish they are doing that in some canada lakes and what a comeback for lake in woods and lac seul it saved their fishery and don,t hesitate turning in pochers and meat momgers thats what a cell phone can do.

What do you mean arent allowed to say where they caught the fish.I,ll bring up some of the boys from chicago PD we can make you talk! nothing beats the soap in the sock confession getter!