How did this turn into a govt bail out thread?
Should the season be extended regardless of what happens with the ice should be the question.
What are our neighbors doing?
North Dakota, South Dakota, and Iowa all have continuous walleye seasons.
Wisconsin is first Sunday in March but if you look at the regs the majority of the water is continuous for walleye.
Manitoba has divisions. Southern division is like 3 April this year and NW goes until end of April.
MN=Nanny State
86B.106 BARRING VEHICLES FROM UNSAFE ICE.
(a) Whenever ice conditions on a body of water deteriorate to such an extent that there is substantial danger to persons using motorized vehicles, including snowmobiles and all-terrain vehicles, the sheriff of the county where the body of water is located may prohibit or restrict the use of motorized vehicles on all or a portion of the body of water. If the body of water is located in more than one county, all counties involved must coordinate any prohibitions or restrictions that are imposed. A county sheriff acting under this section shall, as soon as practicable, post all common access sites and publicize the prohibitions or restrictions
I can’t get a post to go through.
Anyway for Nanny Badger
366.011 CHARGES FOR EMERGENCY SERVICES; COLLECTION. You got this all wrong. This is for taxation purposes for a city like a city sales tax.
Or a fee to be charged everyone. For example $300 for rural fire to be deployed. Or your ambulance fees for contracted services would be part of 366.
The city has zero discretion to charge stupid people fees and smart people pay nothing. 366 is about taxation.
There is no stupid fisherman law in MN and thanks for clarifying you live nowhere near URL.
^Did anyone ever say it did or reply to you directly? I must’ve missed that.
It was a generic response to the idea that taxes pay for these services to be available and used. Some services’ bills are passed right on to taxpayers a second time, and others aren’t.
I’m just stating that in my own opinion related to these repeated rescues/retrievals/recoveries or whatever you want to call them, a fee should be passed on. Many of these involve dumb decisions or a lack of listening…not random luck events that are health related, accidents, fire, etc. Spend more tax dollars on stuff people can’t control and need help with, rather than stupidity. A fee may even end up being something of a deterrent.
How many tax dollars of yours are going into these rescues? Do you even live in MN? Are you a voter in the county affected?
There is currently no stupid ice fisherman law in MN. Fishermen on Upper Red lake or any other lake in MN cannot legally be charged a bill for being rescued. You can’t just make up a law because your outraged.
Please let me know how this new nanny law should be worded and how would it be enforced? How much money should the stupid people be required to pay?
Let’s face it most people in a rescue situation probably didn’t make the best decisions.
The Sheriff is the chief law enforcement official in the county and is also responsible for searches and rescues within his or her county.
Read about the stupid driver law in Arizona. People stopped calling 911 to get rescued from other situations as the perception was everybody that does something that’s not smart gets arrested or fined.
Arizona Sheriffs then put the word out they would not enforce the stupid driver law. Everyone will get rescued free of charge just call 911 and we will respond. It was a stupid law.
Well guess what, both smart and stupid people should be rescued in this country.
And even if the MN legislators passed a stupid fisherman bill and the governor signed it into law.
The Sheriff could simply not enforce. That’s totally up to the Sheriff and the voters in the county who elected them or could elect a new one.
So let the people up in the Northern counties of MN decide what course of action they want to take and stop trying to make decisions for them.
It’s truly non of your business if you don’t have an election type vote in this.
For cost reference…Wabasha County just purchased a fully loaded airboat that’s about as big as they come specifically outfitted for ice rescues on Pool 4 and immediate surrounding areas.
The price tag was $130,000…without regarding costs for fuel (they drink it), training, insurance, maintenance.
Yes – we all pay taxes and services should be funded by them. However, they are not funded in a way that allows them to launch crews multiple times per week with reliable equipment and “taxes will cover it”. I’d support our local fire and rescue levying some bills especially in situations like URL where it’s happened so regularly.
Please stop. How much does it cost to fund the massive illegal immigration problem going on in the country and state.
130k plus multiple launch fees per week is a bargain to be free in Northern MN.
Article 1. The said Chippewa nation cede to the United States all the tract of country included within the following boundaries:
Beginning at the junction of the Crow Wing and Mississippi rivers, between twenty and thirty miles above where the Mississippi is crossed by the forty-sixth parallel of north latitude, and running thence to the north point of Lake St. Croix, one of the sources of the St. Croix river; thence to and along the dividing ridge between the waters of Lake Superior and those of the Mississippi, to the sources of the Ocha-suasepe a tributary of the Chippewa river; thence to a point on the Chippewa river, twenty miles below the outlet of Lake De Flambeau; thence to the junction of the Wisconsin and Pelican rivers; thence on an east course twenty-five miles; thence southerly, on a course parallel with that of the Wisconsin river, to the line dividing the territories of the Chippewas and Menominies; thence to the Plover Portage; thence along the southern boundary of the Chippewa country, to the commencement of the boundary line dividing it from that of the Sioux, half a days march below the falls on the Chippewa river; thence with said boundary line to the mouth of Wah-tap river; at its junction with the Mississippi; and thence up the Mississippi to the place of beginning.
Article 5. The privilege of hunting, fishing, and gathering the wild rice, upon the lands, the rivers and the lakes included in the territory ceded, is guaranteed to the Indians, during the pleasure of the President of the United States.
Article 6. This treaty shall be obligatory from and after its ratification by the President and Senate of the United States.
I would focus on learning how to use perspective mode. Especially if you are fishing shallow water for bass.
Perspective is 135 degree cone angle and forward is 20 degree cone angle.
Look at humminbird 360 images. Perspective gives you same image type just at 135 degrees.
Don’t focus on finding fish. Learn how to locate structure, weed edges, transitions etc, etc.
Lots of playing around with settings and angle of transducer.
What happens when the cartels pot income lowers? Do they push more cocaine, heroin, meth, fentanyl, opioids to make up for lost income?
The cartels and the “legal states” are in the drug business to make money.
It’s all about tax revenue. From all the debate on both sides for or against legalization all the data is mostly inconclusive.
The only real and measurable impact is it becomes a huge money maker for the state.
Colorado makes 20 million a month or more from “legal” marijuana sales.
Toyota motor Corporation owns Lexus and Toyota. Both are almost always in the top 3 for reliability with Lexus at top spot in 2022.
Kia telluride is most popular followed by hyundai palisade.
If you enjoy following these touneys cool, but for me alot would have to be done to make it a more pure sport, and tech is a part of that-I will watch the Twins today, a batter today can’t just decide to use an aluminum bat, a pitcher cannot just use whatever ball they want, this levels the playing field so we can see skill and not gimmicks. I get that baseball is not pure but it is much closer than fishing.
In July PMTT YouTube channel had 150 or so subscribers. I looked today and they have 176.
Baseball, is a billion dollar business. Since 1908 there have been many many changes that made it the billion dollar business it is today.
What is the goal of the PMTT? To grow the tournament, increase prize pay outs, gain more sponsorship’s, make it into one the most prestigious money making tournaments out there? Run it as a business model.
Or is it a small group of die hard musky anglers (30-40) who want to keep it like a club and not operate like a business? Run it like a club model.
A club or a business? There is not a right or wrong answer just an observation.
<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>big_g wrote:</div>
How to replace it ? That’s what I am saying they did in Maui.. replaced plastic with re-useable cloth bags and when necessary, paper bags.Exactly right and totally agree. Common sense conservatation of resources and an effective way to tackle a disgusting pollution and litter problem.
BTW, side benefit. I freaking love the great big reusable grocery bags. You can put so much more in them and it’s so much faster and easier to pack them and to unload after shopping. Love them.
Unfortunately, to be at all effective, it has to be mandatory.
Which triggers that small but very loud segment of the population who will go crazy touting this as an unconscionable violation of their God-given freedom and constitutional rights and a massive Big Government overreach into their intimate personal spaces.Now we could say it’s a grocery sack, get a grip and get on with your lives. But we don’t. And so we do what we’ve always done and get what we’ve always gotten. Can’t even agree on cleaning up the ditches, lakes and parks.
New guidance on those great big reusable grocery bags. You can’t make this stuff up. You need to bring your own plastic bags into the store with you. What is being accomplished?
At the Store
* Put meat, poultry, and fish in disposable plastic bags before placing in a reusable bag to prevent juices from leaking and contaminating the bag or other food items.
* Use a separate reusable bag for fresh or frozen raw meat, poultry and fish to avoid cross-contamination with produce or ready-to-eat foods.
Hey I must point out that you are incorrect. You can indeed go fishing with zero plastic involved. Rod and reel fishing was around long before plastic was invented. Same goes for the boat. If it can’t be recycled is it worth the convenience is the question.
Please let me know what your zero plastic set-up would be for fishing.
Mono, fluoro, and braided fishing line are all made from plastic. Please let me know how to over come this issue.
Rods. The resin used in fiberglass rods are thermoset resins. It’s plastic and glass. Same thing with the resin used to build rods, coat the blank and coat where the guides are connected to the rod. Only rods without plastic are made from trees.
Reels. I’m having a hard time finding a fishing reel without plastic parts. And without plastic line how can you cast?
No trolling motor, or batteries to power that motor. No battery to start your engine. No engines that I’m aware of that don’t have plastic somewhere in the equation. No fishing graphs or transducers. Go look in your boat and all the plastic that goes into it.
Wood or aluminum boat with oars or a paddle I guess is what you are left with. Fiberglass boats would be out too.
Cross out all the plastic baits and what’s left to fish with? Live bait?
How is bait packaged at the bait shop? Plastic containers or foam. What bait bucket or aerotor will you use that’s not plastic. No more plastic bags for minnows at the bait shop. You’re stuck digging up your yard for worms and trapping minnows and leeches yourself I guess.
I’m just curious what your no plastic fishing set-up looks like.
My opinion it’s just silly all the attention a plastic grocery store bag gets.
I think I saw you the other day at the grocery store HEY!
I think I saw you the other day at the grocery store HEY!
Classic rhetorical strategy where the speaker attacks the character, motive, or some other attribute of the person making an argument rather than attacking the substance of the argument itself. This avoids genuine debate by creating a diversion to some irrelevant issue.
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Aluminum cans—-there are not enough bauxite mines in the world to support this long term. Then people will complain that an aluminum boat costs 150k and you’re buying a can of coke for $10.Glass—again the limestone mines can’t support this long term. Please take the time to read about what glass is made of then all the supply chain ripple effects that would occur. It’s just not an option.
Hasn’t COVID taught us many lessons about supply chain? Glass and aluminum to replace plastic is just not doable.
There is a very good reason many types of packaging has switched over to plastic.
Talk your doctor about those super nice cloth bags in the grocery stores. Big time disease vectors unless you wash them after every use. Plastic bags are the way to go.
I’m going to go out on a limb and guess we do not share the same doctor
Maybe you should find a new one?
Reusable grocery bags can be a breeding ground for dangerous food-borne bacteria and pose a serious risk to public health, according to a joint food-safety research report issued today by the University of Arizona and Loma Linda University in California.
“Our findings suggest a serious threat to public health, especially from coliform bacteria including E. coli, which were detected in half of the bags sampled,” said Charles Gerba, a UA professor of soil, water and environmental science and co-author of the study. “Furthermore, consumers are alarmingly unaware of these risks and the critical need to sanitize their bags on a weekly basis.”
Bacteria levels found in reusable bags were significant enough to cause a wide range of serious health problems and even death. They are a particular danger for young children, who are especially vulnerable to food-borne illnesses, Gerba said.
The study also found that awareness of potential risks was very low. A full 97 percent of those interviewed never washed or bleached their reusable bags.
And the way overpackaged with plastic stuff out there. It is packaged like that to survive a trip across the ocean in a container.
Start buying American made products! Problem solved
Aluminum cans—-there are not enough bauxite mines in the world to support this long term. Then people will complain that an aluminum boat costs 150k and you’re buying a can of coke for $10.
Glass—again the limestone mines can’t support this long term. Please take the time to read about what glass is made of then all the supply chain ripple effects that would occur. It’s just not an option.
Hasn’t COVID taught us many lessons about supply chain? Glass and aluminum to replace plastic is just not doable.
There is a very good reason many types of packaging has switched over to plastic.
Talk your doctor about those super nice cloth bags in the grocery stores. Big time disease vectors unless you wash them after every use. Plastic bags are the way to go.
Anyone know what PVC is? Ever heard of dioxin?
Do you know that some soft plastic baits are made from soft PVC and are a zillion times more harmful than a plastic bag could ever be?
There are many types of plastic. Please be informed.
But let’s ban the harmless plastic bag because people are slobs.
And let’s fish with one of the most nasty plastics possible cause ignorance is bliss.
You can get rid of soft plastic fishing baits and replace with live bait.
Doesn’t get any greener or biodegradable then that. At least that’s a start right?
Cutting down trees for packaging is like burning food (corn) for fuel.
With everything going on in the world right now plastic bags should be like number 10,000,000 down the list.
Please tell me more about all the people dying in the world because of plastic bags. Why can’t they go into a landfill like everything else?
Take a poll. What type of plastic pollutes more lakes and rivers. Plastic bags or plastic from people who fish.
Slobs who litter isn’t a plastic bag problem it’s a slob problem.
What if the title of the post was this.
What is the truth behind recycling in the fishing industry?
Would the response be ban soft plastic baits immediately? Does anyone know what they are made of? Are they recycled?
But let’s ban plastic bags cause it’s easy to be for that right?
Who here recycles their fishing plastic?
What about all the plastic fishing line, soft plastic baits, hard plastic baits, plastic tackle boxes, plastic transducers, head units, and on, and on, and on, of all the plastic used in the fishing industry.
You literally can not fish without plastic.
The hypocrisy and ignorance about plastic is alarming from all the expert commentary above.
I’m not getting rid of my plastic but all this other plastic has to go…what?
Do you know why produce and food is wrapped in plastic and the benefits of it?
Paper and cardboard—-where does that come from?
Why can’t plastic go into a landfill?
<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Hey wrote:</div>
So for those either outraged or concerned about PFAS. Will you get rid of all your fluorocarbon fishing line today?Kind of missing the point. Is Seaguar settling for a 675 million settlement like DuPont did? Or an $850 million lawsuit settlement like 3M is? Is Seaguar required to monitor and clean up the ground water supply they’ve contaminated? No, they aren’t. Because they are disposing of the chemicals properly.
Its perfectly fine to use these chemicals. They are used in a lot of items we use on a daily basis, including fluorocarbon fishing line. No one is arguing that here.
I wish chemistry was a core part of high school. My goodness.
Here is the missing point you do not understand. So Seaguar disposes of all PFAS properly? How do you dispose of PFAS properly? The PFAS chemical is almost entirely disposed into the fishing line they make. The PFAS chemicals are in the line…
You’re confused on this.
Let’s say seagur gets 1000lbs of PFAS chemicals. It almost entirely goes in to the fluoro carbon line. It makes untold feet of fishing line with PFAS in it.
How does all that Fluorocarbon fishing line, that contains the PFAS chemicals, get disposed of properly??? It’s transferred into the fishing line!
So what happens when the fishing line degrades—-where do the PFAS chemicals go?????
You’re thinking like oil spill stuff.. it’s not the oil it’s the spilling of it.
That’s not what this is. It’s the PFAS chemical itself not a spill somewhere
“Your gore Tex boots and rain coats are PFAS, Your fluorocarbon fishing line is PFAS, your carpet is PFAS coated like anything that claims to be stain resistant.”
Spot on KPE. I don’t understand the environmental ignorance/hypocrisy on this forum.
Complaining about things like PFAS and plastic pollution while at the same time using plastic fishing line with a fluorine chemistry in it which means it’s PFAS.
All the while wearing gortex boots (PFAS) and rain coats (PFAS) in the spring and fall fishing from your boat with PFAS carpet.
Flurocarbon fishing line—-2023 is probably its last year so get ready for it to get banned in the next 6-12 months.
So for those either outraged or concerned about PFAS. Will you get rid of all your fluorocarbon fishing line today?
100%
It’s common to get an email from the owner of TUCR on weekends….
I have messed up orders on 2 occasions and the owner has replied back to me within 2 hours both times. Both times on a weekend.
Plus the rods are fantastic and I will be able to hand them down to my grandsons.
Try and find another rod company like that. 13 fishing will never get close to any of the TUCR rods in quality and customer service.
VMC/rapala just trying to flex the little guy out of the market.
Jiujitsu is not karate.
Brazilian Jiujitsu. Like the Gracies practice.
Every self defense school plus MMA fighters study this.
Look it up and enroll your kids if you have a class nearby.
2 day gun class and pepper spray, etc just make dad feel better.
Jiujitsu is a lifestyle and the best classes-education you can give a child.
She gone. I gifted it to a local kid in North Dakota and it has a great home.
Not a chance I will ask him to give it up.
End of story.
Enroll her in Jiujitsu classes. Duluth is big enough to have this opportunity.
It will change her life and benefit her in all aspects.
Call Garmin on your quick release mount. They might just send you a new one as it shouldn’t be that hard to remove it.
I also agree that software updates are key with Garmin electronics. They are really proactive with putting out software updates that fix issues. Active Captain app allows you to do software updates via your phone.
Here’s a different incident involving park rangers and tasers. Pretty messed up situation and makes you wonder more about the rest of this story in vnp.
Watch the video and there’s probably one just like it for vnp
Nice googling skills
Thank you.
Now can you find the part about vessels in distress such as being run aground on a rock and then apply the common sense approach to what you posted above?
Please re-read the part below where it says may direct the operator to suspend further use of the vessel. Common sense doesn’t overrule maritime law.
(b) An authorized person who identifies a vessel being operated without sufficient life saving or firefighting devices, in an overloaded or other unsafe condition, as defined in United States Coast Guard regulations, or in violation of a noise level specified in § 3.15(a) of this part, may direct the operator to suspend further use of the vessel until the condition is corrected.
It’s a federal park plus it borders 55 miles with Canada. Not only can you have MN conservation officers and sheriff’s officer but…
You could have park rangers (carry the same authority as the coast guard in federal waters), border patrol and the coast guard itself.
Coast guard/Park Rangers have vast authority as it is. Add international waters and it would probably take 2 yrs of school to understand all the maritime laws that exist up there.
1. They can board that houseboat anytime they want to conduct an inspection.
2. They can also shut down that boat from moving another inch if they find an unsafe condition.
1 and 2 are not debatable. It’s federal/maritime law.
What happened after 1 and 2 we will wait to hear the rest of the story I guess.
