glenn57 wrote:

just curious both Jeff and Randy…. where do you guys shoot at????

i have a brother that lives by Missoni Wi not far from Wausua and i’ve deer hunted out there the last 2 years. he also worked at a gun range near there for a while.

we ran inot a farmer who gave us the go ahead to hunt his 40 acre farm. he used to be one of them competition shooters and at one time held the record at this gun range. not near the distance Jeff does but think it was at 600 yards????

guys name is Ed!!!!!!! never bee ntold his last name though!!!

I’m west of Wausau about 45 minutes just north west of Marshfield. I’m thinking he was probably shooting at a range by Mosinee, WI just outside of Wausau.

Plinking and testing is done in my back yard or I get permission to shoot a 1000 yard private range 15 minutes from home.

JH

Thanks for all the opinions and questions, as the weather is warming up lately it drives the urge to want to start testing again with the purpose built rifle. I am looking forward to when it is possible.

I always said this from day one with the big rifles that what drives us the most is all the science behind the scenes and the friends evolved that makes it possible. Or at least the urge to prove what some say can’t be done.

Yes back in the day I was trained by some of the best and today I enjoy giving back and training the folks who in turn are responsible for saving lives in the best of their ability.

Cheers
Jeff Heeg

Riverrat wrote:

30″

Sure hope so, time will tell.

JH

fishthumper wrote:

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2981 inches of drop at 1000 yards

That’s 248+ feet or 82+ yards of drop. That’s mind boggling.

Thats a valid statement, some folks get all crazy when they hear that you’re sending something that has a 100 or a couple hundred feet of drop in which usually theres some good distance involved. They think you’re aiming straight up in an exaggerated vision in their mind, when really you look at the distance and you place a typical farm silo thats 80 or 100 feet tall at the halfway point of your distance and the silo doesn’t look as tall anymore – that distance where the silo sits is the apex of the bullet and from there is the drop. To a certain point the drop doesn’t seem as drastic anymore but it still is impressive to have that and get repeated impacts. More impressive is windage – nothing like throwing a curve ball into the wind and it just keeps returning to the aiming point. Kinda like bowling and baseball, impressive and crazy.

JH

Steven Krapfl wrote:

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Stanley

The rifle used
Vudoo 360 right bolt left port action.
40 moa rail and a 20 moa Spuhr scope mount.
25.5” x 1.25” straight shank 13 twist barrel with EC tuner.
Vortex Gen III 6-36×56 Mil scope with base setup allows 31.5 mils of dial up and another 30 mils of holdover – good for 700 yards.
Matrix Pro II chassis with picatinny bridge ahead of scope.
Multi purpose Charlie MK8 used after 700 yards or when needed in regards to setup.

Using 22LR Lapua Midas Plus ammo

JH

That sounds like it should work. You gonna use standard velocity ammo to avoid bullet tumbling when going subsonic?

That is correct they leave the barrel at 1082 +/- eliminating any transonic disturbance.

My goal is to group within 24” time will tell.

JH

Stanley

The rifle used
Vudoo 360 right bolt left port action.
40 moa rail and a 20 moa Spuhr scope mount.
25.5” x 1.25” straight shank 13 twist barrel with EC tuner.
Vortex Gen III 6-36×56 Mil scope with base setup allows 31.5 mils of dial up and another 30 mils of holdover – good for 700 yards.
Matrix Pro II chassis with picatinny bridge ahead of scope.
Multi purpose Charlie MK8 used after 700 yards or when needed in regards to setup.

Using 22LR Lapua Midas Plus ammo

JH

I guessing I will end up with about 120 Mils of vertical.
I will attempt this on a calm day – afternoon to get some good data for the program after that then its take some wind and see if the aerodynamics in the program is still tracking as we have seen so far. The wind corrections have been good.

JH

I know this is a little late, but for anyone seeing this thread and are looking for a great knife with the zipper hook.

My all time favorite that I have had for years
Buck 191 Zipper Knife with the walnut handle.

JH

I still shoot my Winchester 190 semi once in a while, it’s actually pretty accurate. I bought this in the basement of a Montgomery Wards store back in 1973.

My current 22 LR is just crazy.

JH

Glenn57

How did your rifle treat you this fall?

JH

Hows the 22 treating you Randy?

You know me, I have been doing crazy stuff with mine

JH

Yes I had a little training, but for the most part trained many folks to excel beyond their expectations.

Done some crazy stuff in the past and with consistency its been fun and I enjoy all the science and the challenge within it.

JH

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Was able to get a little testing in at 700 the last few weeks in between work. The test load groups went from 8” down to 4.5” & 4” then down to 2.25” and this weekend with good overcast conditions the last test group circled in red had a center to center or bottom to bottom of 3/4”. I was more concerned about vertical then the left or rights, my aim point was a red horizontal line on the target face. The Extreme Spread is in single digits and the average speed with 505 gr. Flat Line’s is at 3192 fps also we are not seeing any change in diameter in the case head area and grove so the pressure is good and not stretching the primer pocket area.

JH

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Here’s a little info to compare
The BC based off of Doppler Radar for the 505 grain
G1 BC = 1.2 based off of 3150 fps
G7 BC 0.595 based off of 3150 fps

As stated I am at a mild pressure charge with the 416 using 505s running 3105 fps with 199 grains I will be pressure testing 200, 201 yet.

Even at a speed of 3105 and in Raton, NM with a DA of 8200 there I will be Supersonic at a Mach 1.11 out to 3875 yards before dropping into transonic. If I find my load has a sweet spot a little faster it just gains more range in the Supersonic stage and yields a little less wind drift but I still believe in slow and consistent versus having to have the fastest Hot Rod in which is more finicky.

Numbers always look good but you still have to study the mirage and pay attention to any updrafts or eddies I always say mirage is your freind it can tell you a lot of info. And we haven’t even mentioned earth rotation yet when you get past 2000 yards.
When you only have 3 attempts to hit a small target under a time restraint you use all the science and skill possible.

Pictured a 505 grain next to a common Hornady 308 round and then a loaded Warner 416 as well as the back of a round fired with 199 grains.

I wanted to add for the folks that are interested at 3105 fps it equates to 1975 fps and 4373 lbs of energy yet at 2000 yards on impact and at 3000 yards we have 1527 fps and 2614 lbs of energy.

JH

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Tom
Last year the 375 pushing a 400 grain at 3316 fps in which was the load charge used for the 2 mile averaged a 1” to 2” vertical at 800 yards. We were able to push the 400 grain to 3400+ fps but wanted to detune the load due to New Mexico temps and having to shooting up to 15 rounds in 9 minutes or less in which was hard on the throat when burning 192 grains of powder and stuffing it down a small 375 hole.

JH

Randy

Hopefully things heal up soon and you can get back at pulling the trigger. Yes I am trying to get ready for the 2 mile, June will be here before you know it and testing equipment is a bit more challenging.

We should catch up some time for coffee or something and visit.

JH

Its my long range rifle used for shooting steel while laying on the ground prone, kicks like a 20ga. Complete ready to fire, rifle, scope and bipod 40lbs

JH

Check out Tactical Rx at Tacticalrx.com
They did a pair of shooting glasses with my progressive bifocals prescription in them for when I am on the ground shooting prone with the rifle.

They specialize in shooting glasses for pistol shooters.

I have not came across anyone else that works with shooters and correction eyeware like these folks.

JH

Nic

What part of central Wisconsin are you from. Just curious if your anywhere close.

JH

BigWerm

Thanks, yes that was the link.

JH

Tom

What are you suggesting as far as your question.

Also anyone that may interested in some good reading material, a while back I came across this and tried to paste a link here for folks to see but failed. So do a google search for – What the Pro’s use King of 2 Mile edition.

Cheers

Good luck this fall folks

2nd attempt I give up

Nice looking rifle Tom, I have just a slight double front pin with or without my glasses on. Probably a little better with them off. I still should be fine for aiming.

JH

Thanks Randy, we did the testing to verify drops and dope in Colorado on our way to the KO2M event in Raton, New Mexico at the NRA Whittington center. The G1 BC on the 361 grain Warner Flat Line 375 cal ran at .965

It was the luck of the draw on who shot when with the winds in the canyons and mountain sides under a 9 minute time restraint on all 5 targets combinend with 15 shots max. It was fun that out of 49 shooters from all over the world only 4 people hit the 16″ Coldbore target at 1699 and only one shooter tore up the paint on all the qualifier targets including the Coldbore 1699 – one shot, 1543 allowed five shots, 1722 allowed 3 shots, 1889 allowed 3 shots and 1953 yards and allowed 3 shots. You had to hit the target to move on. We averaged a 11″ vertical on the 1953 target with the 3 shots allowed in qualifying. Just sayin it was a Wisconsin flat lander that wrecked the paint on all and we had some good wind when I shot on the second day.

Fun stuff when we were shooting at the ranch in Colorado at the 3040 yard mark mentioned in OP above and with full value winds and repeat hits on a 36″ plate we were dialing and holding for 45′ of wind drift.

Picture below is right after rattling the course at NM the owner of McRee chassis asked for a pic it was a fun event.

JH

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You can’t go wrong with a Surgeon action or build. They are very highly rated and dependable. A close friend of mine and gunsmith – shooting coach actually worked and shot for them.

260, 6.5×47 or Creed?

Cheers

JH

Grouse one of my favorite case funnels that I use, I dump my pan from the dispenser or from my beam scale into this and then into the case.

JH

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Nic

Theres nothing wrong with a scope with a adjustable turrets or hash marks in the scope be it dots or hash marks. I don’t understand why this would be a disadvantage as Grouse stated, but to me would be a advantage. You will have the ability to use your 100 yard zero and hold over using your hash marks or dial up a few hundred and aim dead on. There is no fumbling but yet more so having the ability to be more accurate.

There are a lot of high quality scopes available at anyone’s price range – glass is glass some will give you a little more advantage then others but what is a true priority is repeatability in the turret as far as running up and down.

Also with this purchase download a Ballistic program into your smart phone, this can be – Shooter, Applied Ballistics, Trasol they will cost you anywares from $10.00 to $35.00 this investment will save you so much money, time and success in the field. This is a area that I see so many folks fail to do thus struggling with the fun and accuracy down range be it a animal or hard target.

Also do yourself a Hugh favor and calibrate your scope prior to mounting it on a rifle. This involves checking the travel within your turret travel on a 72″ ruler at a measured 100 yards with a tape not a range finder – from the ruler to the center point of your scope and recording the actual trave of the reticule as you dial the turret then you can enter the offset in your ballistics program. It doesn’t matter what scope it is we test every scope prior to mounting be it a Schmidt & Bender, Vortex, Night Force, Bushnell or Leupold – they all will have an offset some will be close some need a bunch of correction.

If you ever want help or have questions on this test please ask.

I know Randy will have a good amount of info to add as well.

Good luck

JH

Carver

What part of the country are you from and what level of experience do you have reloading? If your new at it thats not a problem if you’re anywhere close to WI. you’re more then welcome to spend a day learning some hands on with reloading.

Cheers

JH