Just jog to the fridge when you need a refill. That’ll burn a couple.

Ya beat me to it. I use to get service calls like this out in western MN back in the day. You’d be surprised what you would find in a jammed pool table.

2 referees have hurt the NHL. It actually causes more missed calls (IMHO). For example, if on referee “thinks” he sees a trip near the other referee, he may tend not to make the call thinking, “if it was a trip, the other referee would have called it.” I’ve seen a lot more missed calls in the NHL since they added a second red stripe. Not to mention it’s one more body on the ice.
Hockey to me is like spring fishing, the more open ice the better.

I’d take a left handed Favre to QB the Vikes at this point.

I think Cleveland is the team to beat with their hitting. They beat Santana FIVE times this year. Plus with Carsten Charles and Carmona they seem to have the edge in pitching.

And I’m doing some smooth talking at home to get into Lip’s old boat.

Robert! Good to see you on the board. I’m waiting for those “open seats” to start popping up.

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Hey Trig!
I dare ya to go swimming out there!

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I’ll pass. But I have a cat that might be up for a swim.

Another reason not to be in a small boat on Mille Lacs. Good God.

Thanks Gary.
This forum is like old time bar room brawls. Everyone is fighting and when the smoke clears you find a room full of guys drinking beer and laughing.

I thought I would throw in a moment of levity.

So is this the wrong time to ask if anyone has an open seat at Mille Lacs this weekend? j/k

I started this by saying (in a round-a-bout way) that I am disappointed with the way Bush has handled the aftermaths and paybacks of 9/11. If everyone else is satisfied with the retaliation the Bush administration used, then so-be-it.

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Moderators: Why can’t we get a lock on this.

I did not know this was the Political Discussion Forum

You are changing NO opinions by this or any political debate. The people who have the strongest opinions (mainly those responding) are not going to all the sudden see your point.

Let it go. These debates can go elsewhere.

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It’s general discussion. This is this place where it will exist. There was no clear concensus on having a forum to move political discussion to. We will not just sit back and dust every topic that turns into a political debate. Don’t like what you are reading. Don’t open the topic.

-J.

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Ya see, we’re starting to agree already.

“Whether we believe it or not, our country, to me, appears much safer the past 5 years, then the previous 10 to that. During the Clinton Administration, we had a minimun of 5 terrorist attacks directed upon the US that I can call off the top of my head. Since 9/11, we have had nothing. “
I believe that nothing has happened out of choice by the terrorists. Remember, the ones responsible for 9/11 were here for 5 years before they attacked. And not to mention that the scale of 9/11 was horribly spectacular and would be pretty difficult to top. I hope the day never comes. But I would hesitate to give the current administration too much credit for the delay in the next attack. It’s not like they have foiled any dramatic plans.

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So, if you support the troops, support the decision to go after Al Quieda in Afgahnistan, but think it was a stupid idea to invade Iraq, then you are un-American? That’s the feeling i get from this (and many) of these posts. 9/11 was crap and we were right from striking back hard and popping them right in the teeth. In fact, we should have done MORE of it. Sent more troops and put out a bigger noose.

I still fail to see the Iraq 9/11 connection.

I am not liberal, but I think in retrospect the invasion of Iraq and the involment in the Vietnam conflict will both look like mistakes made by the American government. Or is every decision by the government in history a correct one?

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Agreed. I guess that’s my point without the rage.

I really hate it when you are considered UnAmerican when you disagree with your government. Nothing could be MORE American than being able to speak out against your government.

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Can I ask you what is the difference between Hitler’s genocide of the Jews via gas chambers and Hussein’s genocide of Kurds via gas chemical weapons of mass destruction?

The only difference I see is that Hussein stopped at 180,000 Kurds.

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Nothing. I agree with you on Saddam being as evil as Hitler. But that happened in 1988. My biggest issue with Iraq and why we’re there is the timing. And the biggest reason I made the comment about Bush “forgetting” 9/11 is that the fight against the guilty party has NOTHING to do with Iraq. And the battle to get Bin Laden should have last until we got our man.

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Tom (Trigger)
What is the answer then?

Should we have left Iraq alone, not have gotten involved at all in the first place? (1991?)

Should we have left the UN (corrupted at the time) to take care of this? A country who was threatening us and our allies?

If that is the case, then we probably should have kept our noses out of Germany? Out of Russia and their activities? Out of China and their activities in North Korea? Same applies for Bosnia and Milosovich with his genocide?

By the way, this is a great debate!

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Agreed…Iraq should have been finished in 1991. That was a 1991 problem. My point is it was NOT a 2001 problem. There was on thing and one thing only that should have been done then and that was Bin Laden. Bush declared war (which he never did get from congress) on any country who harbored terrorists….Iraq was not that country. I’m not saying that we wouldn’t have ended up there for other reasons but terrorism should have been or only fight at that time and at this time.

Now we’re going to use Hitler to make a point? Good God. Atleast Bush has the decency to get permission to torcher, right?

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I never mentioned we should pull out of Iraq. The point is, we had other obligations to meet. Mainly in Afghanistan. $300 billion and 5 years might have done the job if it were focused on the actual problem.

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Google up – United Nations Resolution 1441.

Enough said on that.

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That was reason number 1 for invading.
Reason #2 was it’s link to terrorism…that turned out false
Reasen #3, the Iraqi people wanted to be liberated….they did?

And since we are on the subject, when our fearless cowboy landed on the aircraft carrier and proclaimed, “Mission Accomplished”, exactly what mission was that?

I never mentioned we should pull out of Iraq. The point is, we had other obligations to meet. Mainly in Afghanistan. $300 billion and 5 years might have done the job if it were focused on the actual problem.

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Maybe if he tried harder and kept his zipper in the correct position, Bush wouldn’t have to come in and spend 8 years cleaning up the mess!

-J.

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You’re kidding, right? Enjoying paying to fill that boat up? Like those gas prices?
Atleast Clinton admitted he failed at getting Bin Laden. Bush was quoted as saying, “he doesn’t even think of Bin Laden that much.” After that attack on NY and DC he can say that? And that doesn’t bother any of you?

Let me guess, the falling gas prices have nothing to do with the November election, right?

http://www.mellingerman.net

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Send it to Bush. Apparently he forgot.

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Not only did he forget, he turned Iraq into a recruiting office.

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Apparently the alternative would have been more appealing to you all? Turn our back, and ignore that it (911) happened?
I don’t know which America you were born and raised in, but mine would not (And is not! ) standing for it.

The war in Iraq is not pretty, we all can agree on that. But until the Iraqi armed forces are up and running to fend for themselves it will continue to be ugly. We cannot free them from the tyrant that ruled the country before, just to throw them to the wolves and allow radical groups to take control, only do this all over again in a few years!

Where is the rest of the world? How can everyone else (Not everyone, we have some awesome allies helping!) stand by and not join the fight against the radical groups doing the killing?

Bush had the cahones to stand up and do something about it. The rest of the world was fine with a leader who was killing his own people by the thousands.(?) Apparently so.

So the next time you want to stand there and criticize Bush, (Or any American leader.) think about what could have been, and get back to me. Otherwise I think the French could use your help.

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Unbelievable. You guys can sit here, watch a replay of those buildings coming down and then defend Bush when the man responsible has not been killed/captured? And then go after Clinton for not doing anything about it? It was the BUSH administration that said Clinton had Bin Laden too high on the threat list. THEY said he was spending too much time chasing him. It was the REBUPLICANS who said it was “wag the dog” when Clinton went after him. And that was BEFORE the attack on NY and DC. It was the BUSH administration that fired Richard Clark when he said that Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. Then the attacks happen and 5 years later and we have a lunatic captured in Saddam and a country in shambles. These next 2 years cannot go buy fast enough.

Believe me, I’m not a liberal…I’m not even a democrat. I’m someone who can read and not have the media filter what I need to know. Think for yourselves people.

Yeap, he pulls out that little trump card every time he needs us to believe that we are “at war with the terrorists”….NONE of which lead back to Iraq.

Send it to Bush. Apparently he forgot.

If only the tips for where to find Pig ‘eyes were so readily available.

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Um, maybe take a chill pill. I did say, “If so, good for you and great for the ladies.” Yeah, so I found 24 between 24-27 questionable in an evening. BIG DEAL! I wasn’t trying to “crap” on anyones parade. I personally appologized to EJ in a PM. To you, I guess an appology isn’t good enough. I said I was sorry and I’m done with this post. Please feel free to PM any time.

Jack, thanks for the kind words. I’ll give you a PM.

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Hell, no harm done in my book. I took what “500” wrote more like, “are you sure it didn’t just seem like that many fish that size?” But if you compare that report to most of them this year, they all seem to be running about the same. It must be a good year. Personally I don’t think any of you have a caught a single walleye this year. You’re all just posting this stuff to kill us non-boat-owning fishermen.

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On my way home from Cabelas today, my wife asks me, “Why do you keep buying so many lures??” I tell her not just lures, but specifically crankbaits. I hear the dull silence in the phone, hoping it will pass and we move on to the next subject. Nope. She says, don’t you have all the colors? I say nope, just got started really. The last two years I’ve really improved my crankbait selection. However, there are lots of kinds that work at different times of the year. And you never know what color will work, so you gotta have them all….times 2. Why 2?? In case you lose one or if your buddy fishing with you needs one.

She says I’m crazy, what do you guys think??? I’m guessing my crankbait selection is rather modest compared to most you.

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Kooty, I use this tactic. “Gee, honey, I know I already have some but they were onsale. What would you have done?”

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My better half was looking throught the forums and saw a thread about lubriderm????lotion for blackflies and cant’remember anything else. I’ve tried searching but can’t find it. Anyone remember what it was?????????????

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Try this:
http://www.in-depthangling.com/forum/showflat.php?Cat=0&Board=ftlgeneral&Number=222756

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Don’t worry, it will change 5 time before Friday. I’m still thinking it will be 70 and flat calm. Good for tanning ya know!!

Isn’t opener always nice and warm??

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Ya hear that, Lip Ripper? Tanning weather…bring the camera.