Tom,
You got me thinking and it will be next week before I can try this out.
Im going to set the LVS32 next to my traditional transducers on the back of the boat and run them at different frequencies to see if any interference happens.
I will also place the LVS32 at different distances if I get interference to see if that helps.
Noise reject on high should help cancel out most interference.
Im 50/50 on running dual perspective setups in the future.
I ended up buying the tp9sf not sfx and I absolutely love it. 700 rounds through it not a single hiccup. I bought a glock 17 at the same time and shot them heavily yesterday. Both guns were great but this canik is a little different. It’s more accurate a little bit smother and breaks down so easy it’s unreal
Try replacing the sights on your glock. Those sights are like the garmin livescope pole, most everyone buys an aftermarket.
That bright white U outline on the rear sight can compete with the front sight post for your eyes to focus on.
The barrels of both pistols should be accurate short distances.
For best accuracy find some pistol sights that really let you dial in that front sight post and keep it crystal clear for your eye(s) to focus on.
I don’t think it’s pointless. Biggest issue I had with settings was over thinking everything.
First restore defaults. If your new to livescope you probably fooled with settings you should have left alone.
TVG off- unless your fishing deep (lake trout) no need to have this on. It’s always off for me.
Noise reject is always high.
Color gain 85-100. 85-90 open water and I’ve used all the way up to 100 for ice. I rarely change these numbers.
Gain—this should be the only setting you need to change when moving to different spots. Start at 50 and just work your way up.
I can say that livescope is way fussier on the ice then open water. I thought it would be the opposite.
LVS32 has 6 sonar beams on 3 separate sonar flats. Multiple frequencies of 530-1.1. This is also why you need the black box for livescope, lots on data to process. From my understanding Garmin basically merged its clear vu, side vu and panoptics together to make livescope with the LVS32 transducer. It’s a 20 degree side to side cone angle for livescope forward view.
20 degree cone angle = 1/3 of distance. Whatever distance you have for forward range 1/3 of that is the viewing width. So at the 30’ range you can see 10’ side to side or 5’ on either side of the transducer line of direction (where it pointing).
10′ = 3.3′
20′ = 6.7′
30′ = 10′
40′ = 13.3′
50’ = 16.8’
So 20 degree is the width or side to side view.
135 degrees is front to back. If the cone angle was 90 degrees you would only be able to see in front of your boat and directly underneath. The extra 45 degrees let’s you see behind the boat as well.
I have always had questions about the 20 degree cone at distance. I think the beams just start to lose strength at certain distances. Like going from 455 to 1000 plus on side imaging frequencies.
That black box is stitching together 6 beams of various frequencies.
We all know that 30-40’ mark is where live scope starts to lose definition.
For stamped metal spoons like slender spoons, tingler etc. I’ve went from 8 to 6 to 5 and 4lb mono with fluorocarbon leader. 8 was like fishing with rope.
Noticed a big difference in action of these type of spoons the thinner diameter you go.
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Hey reef, I assume you have never studied history.
I would also assume it all comes through Google and Wikipedia. Did you know that southerns also battled slave ownership. Because 98 percent were mountain men and couldn’t afford to have slaves if they wanted. They worked lived on there own and then lived the way they wanted, same reason it was fought for.
Or I assume you think it was all a civil war over owning people ? Look in to your history books a little deeper, read further then what our now government wants to teach. It’s amazing when you open the mind. You don’t judge a group by its leaders. You listen to there voice.
And that’s a heritage, I’m a Minnesota guy, but I can see the 1000s of reasons why they are proud. You only like to point out the few who owned slaves. Which most were against
You must grow some pretty good stuff in the backyard. I’d like to smoke some as soon as possible please pm so I can buy some.
Never heard complete BS non-historical evidence like this ever.
Please post actual reference to this. 98% mountain men. Absolute BS.
I’m a Marine Corps veteran. Long ago fighting foreign wars.
You fly the stars and bars…you lost and your a traitor to the the republic.
I have no sympathy or understanding for state rights vs federalism. You have no understanding of history if you view flags this way. Confederate flags can kiss my azz. You Lost….fade away
No idea why you have statues enshrined to losers, to traitors.
And to all who fly US flags (Stars and Stripes) on the back of pickups or boats or wherever…more power to you and carry on.
Ridiculous that you are talking sh$t about Americans flying flags in any manner.
Three are 3 flat spots on the LSV32.
Top one is forward middle is downview. Need to have each parallel to the bottom respectively. Just switching the mode on settings doesn’t do much. Need to have the transducer leveled to bottom per setting.
With new updates you can adjust forward view to see behind you more. Not sure downview is relevant to even use open water. I see no advantage using it.
For 35 feet or less. Always have transducer pointed at your line where it meets the water.
Level your transducer as much as possible. Glue a bullseye level to the top of your pole.
Settings
TVG off
Noise reject high
Color gain min 85 up to 100
Blue color screen
Last is adjust your gain till you see your jig. Should be stitching rays on your display.
If you can’t see your jig/lure directly under your boat it’s your settings or your transducer is not level.
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Hey joe
I used the b ball in a homemade Ram setup for ice fishing.
I found it not strong enough open water and went to the C. Waves, wind, and moving at speed it wasn’t strong enough.
For ice next year I’m going to mount C size on a bucket or a cooler and use the arm and open water mount. Ditch the tripod
Check out the 35” panhandler with spring bobber. It’s a great rod.
It’s just a longer panhandler with a spring bobber on it. Doubles as a good dead stick rod for walleye for value.
For slightly heavier jigs and spoons for crappie hard to beat a TUCR bull whip.
Panhandler for light/finesse is my favorite rod. Value in it can double as a dead stick. My grandkids have caught mid 20” walleye with this rod.
I don’t think Ram does. The claw works okay for using with the pole.
It’s not strong enough for the rail at any type of speed though.
Scotty makes a 1.5 ball for the rod holders no 169 but have been in back order for a long time.
That summit boat mount for $45 is a good deal though. Just buy your own arms and rail mounts.
Trick is to get a super tight mount from a rail or whatever is on the boat side.
If you ice fish the summit is hard to beat for both summer and winter applications
I’d just buy a new one with the 56 transducer if insurance will cover it.
Head units are @800. New head unit with 56 is @$1000 plus tax. 56 is way better for SI/DI then the 54 was. Never had a 52 so….
Reeds should have in stock.
The depth highlights are messed up on the new update.
It will highlight the deepest parts of the lake and the shallowest parts like the top of humps.
By looking at the transducer on this promo video it looks like old school panoptics. Not the same transducer technology that garmin or lowrance has out.
There is also no “sun rays” where the image is stitched together. Need the sun rays to see the details.
I know it’s worthless but here’s my 2 cents on this technology open water.
Livescope has a 20 degree angle in forward view. So you can basically see 1/3 the distance on your screen. So at 30 feet you can theoretically see 10 feet or 5 feet on either side of the direction your livescope transducer is pointed.
This is in perfect, calm conditions with no movement and a leveled transducer. Looking at at large object with good returns. And flat bottom with no rocks or weeds. Who likes fishing walleye in calm water with a flat bottom?
I don’t think livescope works like a regular 2D sonar with a cone angle that follows the 20 degree angle and your view is always 1/3 the depth. Shaped like a cone.
I think forward view is tear dropped shaped and it’s max coverage is about 10 or so feet wide up to the 30 feet range then the cone angle narrows again.
Your not seeing your jig at 30 feet plus feet in the wind, unless you have your grandkids pointing the pole for you on every cast. Long distance you have to very precise to see anything.
All the detail is up to @ 20-25ft max then you lose it. Anyone who says they can find walleye at 35ft plus is FOS. All you see past that is a straight up and down line. Could be a pike, smallmouth, carp, a stick, tight school of perch, rock, hockey stick, etc.
Active walleyes that are catchable don’t just sit still. They constantly move and are in and out of your screen in 10-15 seconds max. So chasing around a pod with livescope and staying 25-30 ft away in the wind is like herding cats. Que the Benny hill music. You waste so much time staring at a screen cruising around with your trolling motor with your jig out of the water while your son in law is catching fish in the back of the boat. Ask me how I know this.
Add wind, rocks, weeds, shallow water etc and you can really see the limitations of livescope. It’s not the magic everyone thinks it is. It can be the biggest time waster in your arsenal.
5% of my walleye catch open water I can see on livescope. The rest were all old school casting an area that had hot fish in there that I may or may not have confirmed with livescope.
Once you recognize what super active pods look like and how fast they move it teaches you to stop immediately in your tracks and get your lure in the water. And quit messing around trying to point the transducer around to “see” something and just fish.
If your on the fence open water with this technology I get it. If your game is cruising Mille lacs on calm days and throwing slip bobbers out and making cool videos then this will be the ticket.
If your fishing wind and rock and weeds like to cast then I’m not sure livescope really adds much other then an educational tool and confirmation that active fish are around.
All the posts about fish just jumping in your boat with this technology have never fished with it and certainly not in rough conditions.
If mega live is just panoptic like without touchscreen head units there are better options if you wanna spend money.
Picked this up for my summit pole. Works great and I plan to use it on the ice too
You can get a 9” inch touch @ $1000 from Garmin with a 56 transducer.
Bird SI is hands down better, but I think Garmin has everything else equal (2D/DI) or better (livescope).
Not sure helix 9 non touch screen for $1500 that you can’t even get even compares to garmin anymore.
Not sure what 2.0 would do that would be worth dumping 1.0. Most don’t even know how to run 1.0 livescope via all the settings.
This bird version of livescope looks like it doesn’t even compare. Not impressed at all.
Thoughts? If your dad’s buddy can afford all that equipment he can afford to have a pro rig it all up.
It’s a pain in the rear to rig it up on an ice shuttle. I can’t imagine a boat and all the potential new wiring/circuit breakers/fuse boxes, etc. It’s gonna eat alot of power.
I would recommend starting to use the livescope in a shuttle and a pole mount that you can attach to the boat. Run it off a lithium battery like ice fishing so you don’t have to hard wire it. Figure out what set-up is best for him then look about hard wiring it later this summer.
Everyone uses livescope differently.
I picked up a summit but thinking about it I have a difficult time understanding why Garmin would have highly trained engineers designing a product like livescope then having a 3rd grader design the pole.
I’ve thought about that as well. I’ve come to the conclusion they do not live in a northern climate and have no idea what ice is
I can currently see the fins flapping on a Pike or a Muskie on the screen, what more do I need to see with Livescope 2.0 whenever it comes out? It will also likely cost substantially more than a 1.0 system and eat more battery power, not ideal for folks who use it remotely for ice fishing…
I’m sure it will have a few new bells & whistles the Garmin techs cut to fit into the 1.0 system launch timeframe and maybe even some other tech the competitors have (like a 360 degree fish location display grid) to help justify the price premium, but for those with 1.0 systems, you’ll be just fine whenever the new tech comes out…
Agree with Joe. Unless this 2.0 lets me see fish in weeds or tight to rock I’m just fine with what I have.
Gary, I’m interested in what you’re describing for the ice set-up with the Summit/RAM mounts, but not clear about how they are attached. Would a picture of that be possible?
Same as Joe except use b sockets and b long arm. Smaller and more lightweight.
Screw the b socket into the plastic carrying handle of your shuttle.
Glue a bullseye level on top of pole
I just use dual RAM clamp mounts connected with a 3” Arm, 1 clamps to my boat rail, the other to the Summit pole…easy, portable and cheap.. I dont expect to troll with it, so it should be plenty strong enough to keep it still when casting spots and bays.
I also have a RAM ball socket mounted on the front of my dock to use it with as well (pictured)
Agree 100% with Joel.
This is the best dual purpose set up for ice and open water.
https://www.rammount.com/part/RAP-400U
Take the tripod off of your summit pole and flip the little keeper piece around the other way. Put the ram claw under it and spin away.
Get a double socket arm and you can mount to your boat or the plastic handle for your ice mount.
Put a bulleye level on top of your summit pole.
Makes moving around and setting up easier and faster without the tripod and hooked to your ice shuttle
2 upgrades ago (December) there was lagtime. I don’t notice lagtime anymore 20’ or less with a level transducer and 0 degree tilt.
Lots of livescope ice issues can be solved with how your transducer is positioned.
I also have no lagtime issues with a helix 7 with upgraded software.
<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Gary wrote:</div>
My dogs like to make new friends.I can barley contain myself when they ask aren’t you a little close and hey could you keep your dogs away.
My dogs are a pain the a$&
I hope you are being sarcastic. Letting a dog loose to approach a stranger may not end well.
I’m done after this one. A little selective editing on your part after the fact.
This is your initial response. Nothing about someone chocking your dogs.
And comparing my granddaughters to dogs???
I’m off this site.
It’s all public water and I don’t mind where people set-up anymore I just ignore them if they ignore me or talk to them if they talk to me. I don’t own one inch of the lake.
I get a laugh out of the guys who set-up 20 yards from me. With no one around for a 1/4 mile. I just fish like I would normally even if it means drilling a hole right next to their portables. I fish outside if it isn’t below zero.
My dogs like to make new friends.
I can barley contain myself when they ask aren’t you a little close and hey could you keep your dogs away.
My dogs are a pain the a$&
See my original post. 20 yds is roughly 60 feet. I’m replying to Dave that it may not end well if I let cupcake and sugar loose and they approach a stranger on the ice.
Not sure what may not end well means.
<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Gary wrote:</div>
My dogs like to make new friends.I can barley contain myself when they ask aren’t you a little close and hey could you keep your dogs away.
My dogs are a pain the a$&
I hope you are being sarcastic. Letting a dog loose to approach a stranger may not end well.
Dave,
Sorry to trigger you this morning but thanks for the post! My wife and daughters haven’t laughed so hard in months.
I’m blessed with granddaughters that are part of our lives almost every day and the dogs are theirs and my wife’s.
They are smaller then cats and are named sugar and cupcake. Purple and pink collars with gold and fake diamonds.
Friendliest things on earth and they will invite themselves on your lap.
Honest question Dave…So I’m set-up with no one around me for 1/4 mile. Then you decide to come and set-up 60 feet from me…and you see I have 2 dogs.
Do you honestly think that dogs won’t come over to check you out at that distance? Or that I have some duty to put my dogs in the flip up as not to offend you?
It’s all public water and I don’t mind where people set-up anymore I just ignore them if they ignore me or talk to them if they talk to me. I don’t own one inch of the lake.
I get a laugh out of the guys who set-up 20 yards from me. With no one around for a 1/4 mile. I just fish like I would normally even if it means drilling a hole right next to their portables. I fish outside if it isn’t below zero.
My dogs like to make new friends.
I can barley contain myself when they ask aren’t you a little close and hey could you keep your dogs away.
My dogs are a pain the a$&
Can’t go wrong with the polymer framed striker fired pistols.
I’d be interested in these other red dots for a shotgun Turkey hunting. I’m old and so are my eyes. Please update in the future if possible.
A red dot allows you to focus on the turkey instead of focusing on the bead.
Same thing with a pistol. With open sights focus on the front sight post and target blurry. Red dot focus on the target.
I need both eyes open and focus on what I’m trying to aim at.
Red dots on pistols are good cause you will turn into an old man like me one day. Might as well start when your younger.
There were no many options back in the day for red dots on pistols. Looks like there are many options available today.
I like to buy USA when I can. Not judging anyone just me.
RMR is like a TUCR ice rod for me. I have no need to look anywhere else. Trijicon has been very good to me over the years. Just like John and the whole crew at TUCR.
