I get why people do it but regular exercise would make a much bigger impact. It’s shocking to me how many people don’t exercise at all. But it makes sense when you find out that close to half American adults are obese.
Whats the report on everyone’s home rinks? Did they survive the rain last week?
In northern Minnesota, where the forest habitat was much different than it is today, deer were absent or rare
Reef’s quote is perfectly aligning with what I’m saying.
I appreciate you quoting me about it being logged regularly, then asking about it pre-logging. My hypothesis would be that pre-logging deer wouldn’t want to compete with Moose, Elk and Caribou for forage, and were easier prey for the wolves than the other ungulates. So living in central and southern MN where there was less competition for food and fewer predators makes sense.
I appreciate you acknowledging there wasn’t great habitat pre-logging. No further questions your honor.
Not sure where you guys are getting this BS from, but woods intermixed with lakes and rivers is actually ideal WTD habitat. Particularly if it’s getting logged regularly, like most of Northern MN is.
https://www.timberjay.com/stories/changing-habitat-a-major-factor-in-the-decline-of-deer,22148
If its such ideal habitat, why were there no whitetail in our region 120 years ago until logging significantly changed the habitat?
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Wow that’s crazy. Hard not to see the symbolism of a Tesla exploding outside a Trump hotel.
they’re the wake boat of the woods, they need to be eliminated and turned into coats.
Still laughing at the “great grandpa Jim Bob shot all dem der wolves so he musta knew what he was doing and we should do the same” logic. That is pure gold
Kill them all, there’s a reason out great grandfathers and grandfathers set out to get rid of them…
This has to be satire, right? You can’t possibly think “just because great grandpa Jim Bob shot all the wolves, that we should too!”
Our “great grandfathers” also nearly exterminated numerous species that are greatly protected and desired today.
Bison, sturgeon, cisco, elk, muskox, red fox, tuna, bald eagles, the list goes on and on. This might be the most preposterous thing I’ve heard on this forum in a while.
You serious Gitch? Did Bman ever say he knew how many there are? Seems as though he just thinks there are more than enough and they should be hunted. Others on here seem to agree as does the WI and MN DNR.
I’m pointing out the irony in that no one truly knows how many there are (including Bman) yet he can conclude there’s too many. So many in fact, they’re decimating the deer population in northern MN. As others have stated, northern MN has never been great whitetail habitat. Interesting how there’s wolves in other parts of the state and the deer population isn’t teetering on the brink of collapse. And we’re just going to pretend the nasty winters in the arrowhead aren’t contributing to dips in the deer population and it’s solely because of the wolves?
Causation does not imply correlation
Not a fan of any excessive celebration but I prefer the group cellies over the ones where an individual completely ignores his group of teammates standing right next to him that want to dap him up.
Wisconsin has proven they’re great at underestimating. I’d imagine Minnesota uses similar methods and criteria
There’s probably a hell of a lot more wolves out there than they publish. But, neither you or I have the methods, time, or money to prove them wrong.
One thing to keep in mind, both states current “estimates” are four times higher than their “ambitious” population goals set years ago.
So is it really 6 times higher? 8 times higher? 10? Who knows. The only true fact is there’s too many (even according to the states themselves)
so the DNRs and others can’t estimate wolves accurately but you can? got it.
They were finally legally It was so effective they blew the quota out of the water in just a few days from what I remember, and had to shut the season down far sooner than the state anticipated (almost like their estimated population “was just a tad off”….)
So it’s almost like you’re saying it’s incredibly hard for people to estimate the wolf population? Interesting…
<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Gitchi Gummi wrote:</div>
what can we do, other than post on here, if we want to seek change in wolf management?Well…there is this one thing
I deer and grouse hunt in wolf country and have never seen one. I put over 100 miles on my boots this fall grouse hunting in the arrowhead and never saw one. I also spend roughly 2.5-3 weeks a year in the BWCA and have never seen one. How exactly is 1 person going to make any sort of a dent?
I’ve seen people say they leave poison out in the woods… “that will get em”… or leave a bunch of traps out in the woods that never get checked. As a hunting dog owner and an ethical sportsman, that is not acceptable and I hope you’d have the morals to not be doing that either.
That lady dodged a lot of questions too. Kind of just deflected answers like a politician. I have no doubt she is a smart and knowledgable individual of the subject but she just didn’t like giving straight honest answers.
I noticed that too and it was disappointing because she seemed quite knowledgeable but definitely didn’t answer many questions and just talked around it
what can we do, other than post on here, if we want to seek change in wolf management? just curious what people here are doing since many seem so passionate and outspoken… and I hope its something other than “talk to your local representative” because honestly that gets nowhere.
my absolute favorite is buffalo chicken dip. shredded chicken, cream cheese, cheddar cheese, ranch, franks hot buffalo sauce (not the regular franks). I always bring it to football watch parties, super bowl parties, pot lucks, etc and I am always bringing home a crock pot that is scraped clean.
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How do we know what the wolf population is? Seems like a very tough thing to accurately count without bias.
Also, a 1,000,000 deer population is a suspiciously round number 
Remind us again b-man, weren’t you the one that just moved up to Wolf country from down near the cities not that long ago?
This thread has gone off the rails but that was funny
The cabin doesn’t fit under my Silverado tonneau cover but I have the kind that mounts on the inside of the bed rails, so an inch or so shorter than a standard tonneau cover.
Lol no worries. And for reference here’s the actual super-duper official map of whose opinions matter on different topics
LOL
<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Reef W wrote:</div>
So they got delisted because of the governors there but also got delisted in MN in 2012 and 2020, until overturned, because of… not the governor here? Whatever supports your narrative I guess.Federal law is like having your football team get away with a blatant penalty no-call in the 4th quarter. It’s great when it works in your favor and when it doesn’t, it’s because somebody’s crooked. It’s just like the constant calls for the Governor and the DNR to “do something” about the Indian treaty rights.
We had our first reliable sightings of wolves about 25 years ago east of Hinckley where my farm is. I’ve had wolves on trail cams consistently for over 10 years now. The deer have done what the deer have done since time began, they have learned to avoid the wolves to the maximum extent possible. Sometimes it’s very easy for them like last winter, sometimes it’s very difficult like the winter before.
One thing that is often forgotten is that roughly the northern third of MN historically was not the range of the whitetail deer at all. There were almost no whitetail at all north of present-day Cloquet. Historically, this was the range of the woodland caribou. It was only after European settlement and the subsequent changes of the habitat through logging and fire that made this part of the state into habitat that would support whitetail. So the idea that somehow this range should naturally support huge numbers of whitetail is just not accurate from a historical point of view. Having whitetail all the way to the border is only possible with a combination of high volumes of habitat creation and warm winters that minimize winter kill.
Very well said Grouse.
If we want to see the whitetail population increase in Northern MN, we should eliminate their number one predator: humans.
Also, B-man that map you keep referring to is roughly 12 years old. Tis a lil dated.
For those that haven’t seen the documented impacts of reintroducing wolves into Yellowstone and how it positively impacted the entire ecosystem, this is worth a watch. I’m not saying wolves aren’t a problem, but theres a bigger picture than just the point of view of some deer hunters.
YouTube
<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Matt Moen wrote:</div>
You’re making a mountain out of a molehill.100%
Guy drops Wells Fargo for a credit union in a less convenient location. Then he needs service fast and doesn’t haven’t time to drive 8 miles to his CU, so he tries to get service at the bank he dropped and is salty they don’t cooperate. He doesn’t have time to drive to his own CU he but does have time to wait in line at another bank for 40 minutes. And he definitely had time to write several posts complaining about a bank not treating him like a customer… when he’s not a customer.
Merry Christmas IDO!
Glad I’m not the only one seeing the heavy dose of irony here.
Also, comparing contractors and auto/boat repair shops to a big corporate bank is apples to oranges. A contractor needs to provide “free” quotes/estimates for a job otherwise they’ll never get a contract. Banks just simply don’t operate that way. Apples to oranges.
I can’t imagine walking into a bank where I don’t have an account and expecting service. I’m quite shocked someone would expect that. Do you go to Costco expecting to be able to shop there also without being a member?
I weighed both my new lithium and the lead battery it was replacing. The lead battery was a hair over 5 lbs and the lithium was roughly 2.5.
And people say the younger generation is entitled…
That’s what you get when you have literal teenagers running the place and they’re making roster moves based on a players Madden rating.
<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Gitchi Gummi wrote:</div>
The bank is making no money by changing bills for you, and they have a risk of you exchanging counterfeit money.Sorry, but that risk exists with every single bill passed thru the drive ups, over the counter, whatever or however they receive and deal with currency.
Just my opinion here…. the currency is guaranteed by the Federal Reserve Bank. Simple exchanges by any bank below that should be required without fee or membership. I can fully understand if people were to expect an exchange that dealt with a thousand bucks, but we’re talking taking 5 twenties and handing over a single 100. Fifteen seconds. That include wiping the pen to check for counterfeit possibilities. What’s done is done. In my eyes the bank is a tribe of A Holes and will get what is deserved down the road. I just wonder how many other people have walked in those doors thinking this won’t take long only to leave feeling like they’ve been pushed into a puddle of feces. I’ll never set foot in there again. And I now know there are quite a few who at least share that sentiment and that should worry that bank at every level.
Do you walk into other businesses and expect their employees to provide services to you for free? Saying the bank should forego any risk to counterfeit currency and just have the federal government should step in is a wild take.
I expect service anywhere they are in the customer service business.
they are in the banking business, and if you aren’t a banking customer, I don’t expect them to providing banking services to you
Its no different than using a $50 to pay for $23.76 of gasoline.
Couldn’t disagree more. It is very different. In the gas example, you are buying something from them and they are making their margin on the product and providing change after you PAID.
In the banking example, they are not making anything off of the transaction. In fact, I’d argue you are costing them by tying up a teller for a period of time when that teller could be serving a paying customer.
I know I am in the minority and that is ok, but I dont expect customer service at banks….especially if I am not a customer.
I’m with ya here. The bank is making no money by changing bills for you, and they have a risk of you exchanging counterfeit money. Not saying that’s what you’re doing but they have nothing to gain and everything to lose by helping you here.
Its not news that any credit union and or small bank has much better customer service than one of the big national banks. I thought that was common knowledge. That isn’t limited to just banks either. That’s pretty much any business.
