<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>dirtywater wrote:</div>
i really didn’t start this thread with politics in mind. I know it’s border related and everyone is amped up, but it would be cool if we could just have a civil discussion on a sportsman’s level without throwing darts across the aisle.That’s one of the best, most common sense, relatable posts I’ve ever seen on this site.
I can see it did a lotta good 
i really didn’t start this thread with politics in mind. I know it’s border related and everyone is amped up, but it would be cool if we could just have a civil discussion on a sportsman’s level without throwing darts across the aisle.
Heard back from the police today so I figured I would update.
They believe he was out of his mind on narcotics and/or having a mental health crisis and was hallucinating. He was down in the park with a girl and basically hallucinating that the girl was his ex wife and that I was involved with her. The girl given a ride to someplace safe. The guy was taken to the hospital as opposed to jail. Which I’m fine with.
I’m not too concerned with him tracking me down now that I have confirmation that he was in no mental condition to be remembering my plate number or even that I exist. I can see in hindsight how unlikely it would be but at the time I first posted it was pretty fresh.
Anyway. Don’t do narcotics boys and girls. Thanks everyone for a lively and wide ranging discussion.
Dirtywater Mechanical Engineering is still a great career don’t let power sports keep him down.
I know that’s true but he wants to stay in MN and it’s a troubling trend. There are only so many engineering positions in this region. My cousin has been outta work since July because he’s limited to this area by family situation and there aren’t jobs available for him.
In contrast I have one of those stupid useless humanities degrees and I have never been laid off.
He is still looking at engineering just maybe not mech. The bioproducts/biosystems program at UMN looks pretty appealing.
One of my cousins got laid off at Polaris earlier this year, and another is at Arctic Cat. I’m afraid to even ask him what’s up, he’s currently on paternity leave. Really tough stuff.
I have a senior in high school that’s headed to either UMN or UW, was interested in mechanical engineering but is considering some other options now. It’s a volatile market.
Zuki— people are willing to pay for toys but not if there’s no snow.
60 recently planted trees were ripped out by the Mississippi river in the St. Paul area.
Sounds like someone with hostility issues like the OP’s perp. Maybe additional anger from a encounter with police.
Saw that. Trees were planted by high school kids for a service project. 40k worth of damage.
On one hand it was great to see local high school kids doing work like that. I know that they outnumber the idiot(s) who did this but it’s sad to see how quickly good work can be undone.
From the map I saw this appeared to be downtown St Paul along shepherd road.
OK I’ll bite. First I have no clue what the RABC is, but why couldn’t a US CITIZEN cross with the proper paperwork??
Remote Area Border Crossing permit. Allows US citizens to present their paperwork in advance via mail/email instead of showing up in person at international falls or Thunder Bay, which is hundreds of miles out of the way if you intend to visit a remote area somewhere in between the 2. For some border lakes there is almost no access from the Canadian side without a float plane. You are still clearing customs you just aren’t doing it in person. Heavily used by people traveling to the southern portion of quetico or to the Canadian side of lakes like LOTW, Saganaga, etc.
Finally something BP and I agree on!
If the packers can’t beat Chicago this weekend they have bigger issues than I thought.
Re: Preston. Fine with this one. To me Van Ness has underperformed so far. He’s not bad just doesn’t flash much. Maybe he needs more snaps to prove me wrong, but I have seen very little outta him that excites me. This should at least give the coaching staff a better chance to evaluate whether he’s a fit long term.
My storyline for the week: who will pull ahead in the race for INT infamy? Geno, Uncle Sam, and J-Love are running neck & neck at 10.
Yeah the whole point of that rule was you could fish and travel without the RABC so hoping nothing changes there
Dirtywater –
It is not as nice of a city as it was when I grew up there.
That may be your experience but I don’t see how it’s helpful. I’ll never experience what Saint Paul was like in the 70s or 80s anymore than you’ll know what Rome was like before Nero. It’s still the most appealing place to live in the state for me today at this stage in my life.
I knew when I posted this that a certain few posters would sieze the opportunity to cry “the city is a cesspool!”
Another good trip to the river this morning.
Still waiting on a call back from the responding officer, not gonna hold my breath.
if you believe the NBA is fixed, but MLB or NHL are not, I find that pretty naive. With the widely legal gambling situation we have now, it’s either all fixed or not at all. Too much money at stake.
Congrats! Life is beautiful.
Precinct 3 is also far from uniform. Heck of a difference between powderhorn lake and lake nokomis.
You answered my questions … guy blocked your vehicle. You went to a different location on the next day. Thank you. Hope your next trips are less troublesome.
Things change overtime. I have relatives that lived about 3/4 mile from the 3rd precinct. After living there 35 years everything changed … Target, post office, etc… all gone. They were reluctant to move until their son said we won’t be bringing our kids to stay overnight at your house anymore.
I am still in South Minneapolis and the Highland (SP) area at least a day or two a month. Not where I wanted to live or raise my kids, but I can see the appeal.
I hear you. I’m in highland 2 blocks off the river boulevard and access to the park. I do understand everything changes but for the most part this still feels like the neighborhood we moved into 20 years ago.
Brittman— you’re welcome to your opinion but your criticism won’t deter me. Saint Paul. This is where I have lived for over 20 years. I have spent hundreds of days and nights on this stretch of shoreline and I’m not going to let 1 idiot keep me from it. This is my home. Most days we walk down to river from home. Proximity to the river, hidden falls, Crosby, minnehaha, and fort snelling state park played a huge role in purchasing our home and spending time down there is a big part of my life.
The guy was standing an inch from my front bumper the entire time. I could not have moved the vehicle without contacting him. If he would’ve escalated things further that was certainly on the table, but as it stood I was reasonably content to wait for the police to arrive and let them deal with him. It was an uncomfortable 15 minutes but not enough to justify running him over.
Also I went a few miles further downstream today than yesterday, didn’t return to the same exact spot.
<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>dirtywater wrote:</div>
Back at the river with my girl this morning. We talked an extra minute about neutralizing threats. And the knife was ready just in case.A knife is the absolute worst self defense weapon. If you have to try and get a knife out the fight is probably already over. I understand a gun may not be for you (I had a CC and let mine lapse) but get the pepper spray or get yourself a tactical baton. At least you can keep some distance between you and an attacker.
First rule of self defense is get the hell out of the area to somewhere safe. Second rule is to keep distance between you and an attacker. You are up close and personal with a knife. It also probably won’t stop an attacker if they are high.
I’m looking at my options. A knife was all I had available this morning.
Did you ever call the officers and find out what happened to the guy? Also honestly carrying pepper spray isn’t a bad idea at all with how the laws are in MN like others have mentioned.
My district office had absolutely no record. Referred me to dispatch. They found the case number and referred me to the records office, who finally gave me the names and numbers of 4 of the responding officers. Left a message with the one who I believe was the first on scene that I spoke with yesterday.
I always make sure the woman is alright in my passings w these folks. See my fair share along the riverbanks, luckily for me they mostly are always zapped out w drugs doing some frozen robotic dance move….
Hope the officers checked her out.
They had medics on the scene
Back at the river with my girl this morning. We talked an extra minute about neutralizing threats. And the knife was ready just in case.
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you weren’t making a joke or trying to insult me. Got it. Not the first time someone misread an internet comment. Let’s move on eh?
“Like most women do” — kinda implies I’m a woman. But I’m not definitely not above carrying pepper spray, point taken.
Takes a lot more than that to insult me, it was a good chuckle. All good here
BC ouch that made me laugh. Pepper spray it is. I can strap it to my pink Stanley cup so it’s always available 
Bucky— point taken, but I found out a lot about him in 5 minutes and it’s been established he could do the same. The risk may be small but I have nothing to gain by posting his name here.
Bigcrappie— like I said he has an active Facebook page. He definitely has access to the internet. Hell, most of the homeless folks I see around have smart phones, also see a bunch on computers at the public library.
I didn’t want to pay to use the websites that claim to get you this info, they all seem scammy to me. Thanks Randy for confirming via personal experience that this is possible.
Isu22andy— this is a big reason why I don’t have a CC. My neighbor teaches the classes and we’ve talked about this specifically. I would not have drawn on this dude yesterday. I was relatively safe in my car with doors locked and windows up. If he had busted a window and came after me who knows where that would be gone. It’s hard for me to get past the fact that people who carry daily have to be prepared to have the worst day of their life every time they leave the house. I’m naive to a degree but I’ve lived in St Paul for going on 25 years and this is the only time I’ve had to call the police for my own safety. Have walked my dogs hundreds of times in this very area without incident. This is not a “poop hole city.” This guy was a poop-hole human and they can be found anywhere. In fact he lives in Isanti so there’s that.
Phish— well the guy has a Facebook page and he’s active on it recently so it’s not like he doesn’t have internet access. Part of me is convinced now that he wasn’t on drugs just mad as hell about this woman.
What’s the guy’s name? Blast it here. If you harass someone else who is completely innocent, you deserve to be outted.
Pass. Who knows what I’ve drunkenly posted on this site in the last however many years that could ID me. Dude googles his name, finds this post, starts digging. No thanks.
I’m no law expert, at all. Just a little experience with it as a private security instructor.
If he caused fear of harm with his actions there could be some level of assault he could be charged with.
And something that I know even less about but I’m just throwing this out there…. if his actions meant you couldn’t leave, could that be false imprisonment??
Hopefully you hear back, if this is someone not in their right mind for whatever reason I’d say it’s absolutely worth a call to the police telling them you’d like some follow up info based on concern for your own safety.
And like others have mentioned, utilize a permit to carry. And be familiar with how to apply it in different situations. I think a lot of people start carrying and think a use of force situation will be blatantly obvious. But if an unarmed big guy is yelling and threatening you, it would be smart to know how to verbalize your actions if you used force.
I will follow up with the police tomorrow if I haven’t heard anything from them. I’m not interested in pressing charges or anything of that nature. Never want to see this guy again or have anything to do with it.
I don’t have a CC and haven’t owned a gun since my Daisy 880 in elementary school. Not really my cup of tea but I’m rethinking.
That’s some bad luck – think I’d be telling randoms my name is zepherleffigus from here on out ha .
Right?!! I normally would never tell a random dude my name, but he caught me off guard by asking me specifically if it was xxxxx and being correct. My expression probably gave me away before I even had a chance to mumble yeah.
Thanks for the feedback. I’m obviously doing some further digging into this on my own but thought I’d tap the hive mind as well.
What set him off is a bit of a mystery to me. When I walked into the beach with my dog I saw him about 50 yards down the shore. He was breaking down a tent. My gut told me to avoid the shirtless illegal camper, but with low water the beach is super wide and I figured if we stuck to the waters edge and just ignored them we’d be fine. That was a stupid mistake by me. I got closer and could see there was a half naked women still inside the tent he was breaking down. I was too close to turn heel without it being obvious that i was avoiding them. As I was passing he introduced myself and asked if my name was xxxx, by chance. (I don’t post my name on the internet sorry). Crazy thing is, he was right about my name somehow (first name only). Best I can piece this together this woman wronged him in some way and she told him it was xxxxx’s fault. Giant coincidence that a guy with the same name comes walking along? I just kept walking past and a minute later he’s yelling after me. I took a different route back to the parking lot and barely beat him back.
It’s entirely possible that he was just on drugs or having a mental health crisis as well, and in those circumstances it doesn’t really pay to dig for a reason to explain the behavior.
Have no idea what happened between him and the cops after I left.
