I am new here but have been following this site for along time. First time I thought I needed to chime in. Grouse I agree with everything you said. Everyone here has benefitted one way or another from government. I know it will make people mad to say that but technology,water,power,roads and many other things have all been improved with government help. Businesses have gotten start up money, large corporations get billions in subsidies and some people don’t say a word about it. In 2008 when property values fell counties and such still had contracts and services that need to be paid regardless of our property values. I wish everything would be cheaper but that’s not reality. I wish everyone had great jobs and pay but it’s a large world. Everything and everyone isn’t equal. I have no doubt I will get angry replies here but I’m OK with that. Conversations are good to have.