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  • bfehlers
    Stillwater, MN USA
    Posts: 11
    #292992

    I apologized a long time ago for my inappropriate remark characterizing a group of people as bad. This issue is not about characterizations but about a group of individuals that have been working for a long time in an effort to make the lower St. Croix a place that can only be used by birchbark canoes.

    I spent the whole boat show in a booth speaking on the subject including interviews on both WCCO and KSTP news programs (video on the MNPBA site). I still have not taken any money from anyone but have donated my time and money to this effort. I am not associated with any organized group except the MNPBA so I’m not beholdin’ to anyone. I live on the St. Croix and own a 41 foot cruiser (Linda Lu) so I have a personal interest in the issue both as a home owner and as a boater.

    Dave is right; we have to become more heavily involved, as users of the river, in the politics of the river. I hate the politics, but if we are going to save the recreational aspect of the river, as it currently exists, we have to play on the designated game field that requires the political aspect.

    One of the best ways to voice your opinion with the least hassle is to write to your legislative representatives. I have placed all of their e-mail addresses on our site at http://www.mnpba.com so it can be very easy to contact them. I suggest that you create an e-mail that accurately reflects your feelings on this topic and send it to all of them individually (just cut and paste into a new e-mail).

    This is an election year and an issue like this could be brought to the forefront if enough of us voice our opinions. The legislature could weigh in on the issue with a bill that could dictate to the DNR what their position is on the issue. Since it takes all 3 entities (MN & WI DNR’s and National Park Service) to agree in order for anything to become law, the legislature could effectively create legislation that more accurately reflects the voice of the people. What is currently happening is where a few individuals are creating new rules and law for us all based on their personal agendas. That Needs to STOP!

    Stay involved, either join the MNPBA or some other organization that accurately reflects your opinion. You can even stay out of any organized effort but you do need to voice your opinion to the individuals responsible for any new laws and restrictions on the river. Don’t let any officials lull you into a sense of well-being with comments like, “”every speeder on the freeway isn’t caught either” or “The anchoring law will not happen (he felt)”. STAY INVOLVED!! Do not let the opinions of a few, create new laws for an apathetic silent majority.

    Nothing is set in stone at this time so it’s imperative that you participate in the issue for all involved. Remember that any new laws affect all of the folks that recreate on the St. Croix. Also remember that once you begin the process by allowing new restrictions that are unwarranted, it becomes easier to follow up with more new laws and restrictions next year and the next and so on.

    Bruce Ehlers
    Founder, MNPBA
    [email protected]
    http://www.mnpba.com

    bfehlers
    Stillwater, MN USA
    Posts: 11
    #288622

    I will try to respond to Earl’s remarks. I will do it in Red embedded into his original text.

    One of my new year’s resolutions was to become more involved in and speak out more publicly about issues that affect me. This one would certainly fall into that category.

    I posted early on in this thread. My position was and still is that some regulations are either necessary now or will be in the future in order to maintain a somewhat safe and sane place for an increasing number of people to enjoy. I agree that there are regulations that need to be in place to assure the safety of all, but my contention is that they are already in place and just need to be enforced. The fact that the St. Croix is such a beautiful resource is reflected in its popularity and the passion that people show for it regarding issues such as this.

    I would guess that Mr. Ehlers is a pretty decent guy and I commend him in the efforts he is making in getting his position heard. The article that appeared in the Pioneer Press stated the position of the Power Boaters Association quite clearly. That is the how the system should work. The “Guest Editorial” written in January’s Scuttlebutt Magazine on page 6 much better reflects the position of the Minnesota Power Boaters Association.

    I do believe strongly however that Bruce’s presumption that these proposed rules are not in the interest of fishermen is a flawed one. I don’t recall presuming anything about the rules being in the best interests of the fishermen. I have said, and will continue to say, that the proposed NEW rules affect us all. My intentions are not to start a fight and I don’t think that all the proposed regulations are warranted – banning anchoring in any part of the river is one. I also believe it is a mistake to think that the interests of fishermen are necessarily aligned with those of the group that Bruce heads up. Here is my reasoning. Fishermen are already effectively shut out of the river during the times when they would like to use it the most – weekends between Memorial day and Labor day. Think about it. This is not because there are too many fishermen out there in huge boats going really fast. It’s because there are so many large cruising boats making fishing a much more difficult endeavor. I can’t tell you how many people respond along these lines when I tell them that I fish the St. Croix – “Is there good fishing out there? I couldn’t imagine trying to fish out in that zoo – way too many boats flying around.” Then I proceed to tell them that the fishing can be quite good and that if you get out there early in the morning or on week days or after work it isn’t so bad. I actually believe the St. Croix may even be underfished. This is unfortunate. I include myself as one of those people who actually have to work Monday through Friday, making weekends the time when I have available to fish. Here is whre your thinking is “flawed”, the real problem that you describe above isn’t speed, it’s WAKES. Placing a speed limit of 40 mph on the River between Stillwater and Prescott will increase the wakes not lower them. Most of the “large cruising boats” between th size of 28 feet and 38 feet (which is most of them) will not fully plane at 40 mph and therefore create a much larger wake than if they were at plane. Secondly, I believe that most of the “good fishing” places are not in the middle of the river but in the places that are already controlled by No Wake Zones (Hudson, Kinney, Catfish, etc.) I live on the river and have seen many “fishermen” fly down the river early in the morning enroute to their favorite fishing spot at speeds far greater than 40 mph. The new laws will limit that also, it will take longer to get between spots and limit the amount of fishing time.

    Is this wrong or should it be changed? I don’t pretend to think that we should limit the number of any type of boat on the river. But certain regulations do make sense including a reasonable speed limit. Here is a quote from the Pioneer Press article:

    Jack Swanson, a boater who lives along the river in Prescott, Wis., compares the St. Croix to an “interstate highway” with room for multiple lanes in each direction. “Why would non-boaters want to subject boaters with speed rules akin to that of busy city streets?” he asked. “If ever a waterway held the potential to be a natural and safe waterway where faster boats could utilize the speed designed into their boats, the St. Croix is it.”

    I disagree. I don’t want to see the St. Croix be compared to or managed as an “interstate highway” and I certainly don’t want my favorite fishing spot to become one. I really do not think that Jack was referring to the St. Croix as a freeway in it’s truest sense. I do believe that he was using the metaphor for the way the boats flow down the unrestricted river versus the way they tend to flow on an enclosed lake.

    As I said in the beginning of this post I do hope to find the time to become more involved in the process of deciding issues such as this so that my interests as a fisherman are presented by me – a fisherman rather than Bruce who thinks he knows what is important to me and what my interests are. I do not pretend to know how anyone feels or thinks on this subject. I also do not believe that my opinion is the only opinion. I also do not have a boat that will go over 30 mph so the speed limits won’t affect me except in creating more wakes. I have spent a bunch of time and my own money trying to educate the public on this issue because it really does affect us all. The more people that know of the issue the better it will ultimately turn out. I have loosely formed a group of informed individuals to bring this issue out of the smokey back rooms into the light of day for all to comment on. It was being ram-roded through by a few individuals with special interests. Today there is discussion and information flowing. The Minnesota Power Boaters Association feels that there is already enough rules on the St. Croix River between Stillwater & Prescott to effectively manage the river so it is safe for all to use. What’s necessary is for the government agencies to actively enforce all of the rules currently on the books. For example, there is already law regarding the excessive wake problem. Everyone is responsible for their wake and any damage or injury it causes. There are already laws reagrding careless and unsafe boating, or noise, or alcohol usage, they just need to be enforced. You should have also quoted from Mary Divine’s article where the Washington County Sheriff ststes, “Once you have speed limits, you have some expectation of enforcement,” said Washington County Sheriff Jim Frank. “They would be virtually impossible to enforce, but yet the expectation is that we are going to do it.” What the Sheriff doesn’t tell you is that there is really no good way to detect speed on a river due to the “doppler effect” on radar and the fact that radar needs to be used at 180 degree angles to be effective. The long and the short of it is that there is no way to enforce a speed limit.

    In the interest of full disclosure, I am just a working stiff who can’t even afford a boat that can go over 40 mph (got young kids). But I hope to some day. If you saw my boat you would laugh – until I showed you all the slob walleye and muskie that have been outwitted by the Warrior and the Fisherman soon to be known again as Muskie Earl.

    P.S. Don’t let anyone tell you what color the sky is – decide for yourself.
    My intention is to make sure that you have all of the facts before you need to decide what color the sky is.

    Bruce Ehlers
    [email protected]
    <a href="http://www.mnpba.com
    ” target=”_blank”>http://www.mnpba.com

    bfehlers
    Stillwater, MN USA
    Posts: 11
    #288504

    Dave Jarvis sent me an e-mail today responding to one I had sent earlier. Here’s what he says;

    —–Original Message—–
    From: Dave Jarvis [mailto:[email protected]]
    Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 12:04 PM
    To: ‘[email protected]
    Subject: RE: January 21 Partnership Team

    Bruce, I received your e-mail. I am on the City of Lakeland Shores council and the Partnership Team commission. I focus much more time on family and business but I would be happy to hear of your concerns/thoughts as I am a voting member on the partnership team, riparian resident and operator of passenger vessels and two transient city docks in Hudson and Afton. I can be reached at 651-436-8883 during the day.

    Thanks,

    Dave Jarvis
    Vice President
    Afton*Hudson Cruise Lines
    [email protected]
    http://www.aftonhouseinn.com

    Is he a wolf in sheep’s clothing? Our group the Minnesota Power Boaters Association was formed last fall to fight the current proposed restrictions on anchoring, speed limits, and new no wake zones on the St. Croix River. You can read about it here: http://www.mnpba.com. I wonder if Jarvis is for the new rules further limiting the use of the river?

    Bruce Ehlers
    [email protected]

    bfehlers
    Stillwater, MN USA
    Posts: 11
    #288501

    There is a guest editorial in the current January Issue of the Scuttlebutt Magazine on page 6 about the pending issues on the St. Croix River. There will also be a flyer inserted into each Scuttlebutt passed out at the boat show next week. Be sure to look at them and read about the issues.

    Some of you have signed up on our website at http://www.mnpba.com, and for that I thank you. It’s free and we are all in this together. The only means of communication is via e-mail.

    The current Scuttlebutt article is on the site also if you want to read it.

    Bruce Ehlers
    Minnesota Power Boaters Association
    [email protected]

    bfehlers
    Stillwater, MN USA
    Posts: 11
    #279381

    Please explain who “these people” are… I may agree depending your explanation.

    We have tried to organize folks to prevent “those people” from making law to rule the majority of “the people” based on flawed presumptions..

    Bruce Ehlers
    [email protected]

    bfehlers
    Stillwater, MN USA
    Posts: 11
    #279276

    I have to make one correction to Baitcaster’s remarks, The St. Croix Waterways Association is a group that has been involved on the Patnership Team since it began back in 1995. Mark Smith is their President and my neighbor. We are working together with both associations to help stop these unfounded restrictions. Keep in mind a group only has 1 vote out of 49 so 1 group on the Team really has no effect on the outcome. Especially when the group has been “stacked” from the start with “like-minded” members. I hope that label doesn’t offend anyone…

    Bruce Ehlers

    bfehlers
    Stillwater, MN USA
    Posts: 11
    #279222

    My intent is NOT to upset anyone here but try to promote discussion. It appears as if that’s happening.

    As for the suggestion that there may be any financial gain here, I can only speak for myself… I have nothing invested except a $120 website and a bunch of time. I collect no money from anyone just ideas. I simply do not want a vocal minority (labeled any way you like) to make policy for the apethetic (silent) majority.

    My “tree hugger” comment was inappropriate and for that I apologize. However, I do feel quite strongly about the individuals and groups that are trying to create new restrictions on the St. Croix without any facts supporting their desires except either personal or financial interests. I have neither… I live on the St. Croix River and own a 41′ cruiser, so I have a vested interest in my own cause from multiple prospectives.

    We are all grown ups here… this is not personal, it’s about the proposed new restrictions that are simply not called for based on the facts. Please get past my inadvertant remark and get to the larger picture which is… We ALL need to be heard and when that happens the outcome is appropriate no matter what side of the issue you are on.

    Bruce Ehlers
    MNPBA
    [email protected]
    http://www.mnpba.com

    P.S. I am in Houston this week on business and have not had an opportunity to do a professional job with the website. I’ll try to update it this weekend or maybe during the evenings if I can find time.

    bfehlers
    Stillwater, MN USA
    Posts: 11
    #279157

    The “real fight” is to prevent the “tree huggers” from controlling everything in site including the St. Croix River. This “fight” isn’t about one group, it’s about the unrestriced use of the river by all parties. I believe that we can all have enjoyable access utilizing a little common sense and education, not new restictions. The Lower St. Croix River Partnership Team has made their recommendations and is in favor of new restrictions including the anchoring restrictions listed on my website. The “fight” is geared at preventing ANY new restrictions on the river without substantial evidence that they are necessary for the good of the river and the good of the public in general.

    Bruce Ehlers
    [email protected]
    http://www.mnpba.com

    bfehlers
    Stillwater, MN USA
    Posts: 11
    #278540

    Turk is right!!

    Did you know that, if the Lower St. Croix Partnership Team has it’s way, there will be a whole host of new regulations regarding anchorage in nav channels, new no wake zones, and speed restrictions?

    If these regs get thru the process your access to the St. Croix River’s best fishing will either take longer or be limited to outside of the navigational channels.

    Get involved it the process and help protect the access to the river; http://www.mnpba.com is a not for profit organization that is fighting the establishment to prevent any NEW regulations regarding these topics and we need your help.

    Bruce Ehlers
    [email protected]

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