Thanks,
Nearly everything checks out. Except maybe the color thing. When i am getting bit I feel I am having a positive response. If the hits are short I have more of a tendency to lighten up or size down. I will give your angle a look.
Mr. Holst,
I want to thank you for your reply. Your response was very well thought out, to the point and highly professional. As the Spokesman for this site I commend you very much. And will continue to support your efforts by patronizing the Business’ and purchasing the products you endorse.
Now if you could just tell me why it is when I use K-Grubs the bites i get get pull off half way to the boat. My partner says its my hook size. (has he been talking to my girlfriend?) But i have used several types of jigs and sizes. Do you bite off some of the body? Reel down on them like Bass fishing. Until i get the problem resolved they will not be a go to bait.
Thanks Again
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… The point is, that if your going to be a public fishing person, then you are subject to the people. Why, because you have placed yourself in a public postition.
Exactly!!!
One more point I would like to make is that deleting opposing points of veiw is not a healthy way of promoting your veiw. There are a lot of people that believe this site is solely intended to 
to the folks in charge.
I am NOT one of those folks. But I as well as a few of my pals are surprised that this topic has gotten this far.
Good healthy clean debate on opposing veiws is the American Way. It would in my opinion enhance the credibilty of this site. Again my point of view.
Gentlemen,
i would like to start by apologizing. It seems the the Username i chose may have injected a bit more venom into my comments than I had intended. I did choose it to grab the attention of viewers here. I don’t think we would have had quite such a debate had i chose, say, Miles O’ Smiles.
I intend to stay anonymous. And if you took a look at BOLA’s profile ( before he changed it, obviously) you will understand why. I know his may have been a joke but there are folks out there that believe that is the best way to silence a critic.
Some of my closest and dearest friends are professional fisherman. They are aware that when they put themselves in the spotlight, people are going to look at them differently. And in their line of work perception is everything, real or imagined. My comments here were intended to make the professionals connected with this site aware that an unappealing view of their actions is present.
My comments are not intended to Destroy, Stop or Discourage the use of this site. I visit this site frequently. And coupled with my knowledge of Pool 4, i am able to get some very useful information here. Honestly, it’s much easier than asking Willard how they’re biting.
As far as the photos go, i have stringer photos. Most of the guys i hang out with do too. But when Pros connect photos like that to themselves in a public forum. A lot of naysayers start with the old “Game Hog” comments. Again perception is everything in the promotion business. And unfortunately those rumblings have begun.
And lastly, my comments are not directed at most of the guys that have replied. They’re not aimed at the condition of the resource. Catch fish, have fun, be smart and safe.
Gentlemen,
Just a few last comments on this subject.
I have spent some time looking at other sites and publications that promote Walleye Fishing. I look at the TRUE LEADERS in the fishing promotion industry,Parsons, Kavajecz, Takasaki, Anlauf, Martin, Olson and the late Norb Wollock and i certainly don’t see the type of images that i am disputing. Do you know why? Because it is not an acceptable practice in the fishing promotion industry.
As a matter of fact it seems that those Leaders have nothing to do with this site. Although they are very active with other sites.
I know the guys that have posted the pics have friends that are way further up the food chain in the promotion industry. Like a Chris Gilman, Scott Fairbairn, Sam Anderson to name a few. I would ask that they follow thier lead and simply refrain from that style promotion. Its simply not cool anymore.
Also, i too have noticed there are far more anonymous viewers here than registered viewers. I know for a fact that i am not the only one that feels the way i do.
I would like to hear how the guys Justify using these techniques while other far more notable anglers in this industry do not.
Quite honestly maybe I want to return to being anonymous and not hang out with you guys.
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is it the pictures that bother you “Mad” or the people keeping a limit of eaters???? Do the pics of the released fish bother you also?
Thanks for asking Mr. Hooker.
Honestly its just the photos. If you have a valid license you have every right to catch, keep, release and eat fish.
I have had a chance to meet most of the guys who have posted the photos. I can’t say that one of them has been anything other than a Class Act. It has never been my intention to attack them personally.
But there is a HUGE difference between the “average joe” and “Joe Pro”. And because they have promoted themselves(seemingly quite successfully i might add)they have to be aware of how the sporting public could see certain things.
I know they don’t kill everything they catch. But if I were an outsider and looked at the 13 or so pages of Fishing Reports for Pool 4, i might think they were. Nearly every Pool 4 report has a Stringer Photo.
Now if they see the Top guys on the Pool are keeping everything in those Photos, what would they think the average guy is doing? The outsider might find it very difficult to catch 6, let alone believe these guys caught 100 and returned 94.
They have chosen to promote and I wish them the best. I enjoy their posts, buy their Products and will continue to do so. But i have to speak up when I see a practice that does not fall in line with true professionalism.
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Hey MadasHell (I like the name by the way, I’m sure it came to you in a blinding flash!)
You talk about professional fishermen and how they do things, look back at an old Infisherman Mag. I mean really look back. Al Linder and the gang used to keep stringer of big, really big fish. What kind of a message did that send??? I think a much more detrimental one that a picture of a few eaters.
If you don’t like promotion or self promotion or whatever you would like to call it, there’s an easy fix….DON’T VISIT THIS SITE, and don’t fish pool 4. It’s a free country and it’s your right!!
Mr. C/E,
I am glad you brought that to my attention. I had a chance to visit with Mr. Linder and his brother Ron at a PWT event when they were still involved. This subject is very important to them as well. You might know that they have been in the forefront of the Catch and Release Movement for close to three decades. They discovered too that those photos have a negative impact on the image of professionals involved with this industry.
You would be hard pressed to find photos of the sort in any respected fishing related magazine today. Why?
Because that is not the impresson true professionals want to convey to the general public. The sight of a bunch of dead or dying Walleyes with a stick or string reamed through there mouths is an image of the very distant past. I hope we have learned from those mistakes.
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I’ve said it before in another post and I’ll say it again here…this Red Wing Dam bite has been going on for years and years. Every year, thousands of anglers have taken advantage of it and you can bet your a## that there have been lots and lots of limit catches taken by people who probably travel quite a distance to get in on the action. Also, if you are a paying client that goes out with these reputable guides and pay a couple hundred bucks for a day of education and fun, you’re certainly entitled to keep a few. I know I have. I also know there have been times that I have been down and caught 40 or 50 fish in a day and only kept 2 for a meal. Again, more than my right.
I don’t feel that publicity on this site will increase angler traffic and/or catch and keep rates.
Again, my 2 cents.
You are right. So lets think back years and years.
Used to be there was no slot limit on Walleye. Now there is a 15″ minimum. Must be because Walleye die very young, right?
Used to be an old man barking at you from the truck at Evert’s. Now there is an Advertiser on this site posting Pics. (And by the way, he’s got ringies too)
Used to be a lot of boats. Now there a Internet Web Site that boasts of hundreds of visitors at a time and millions of hits. Now i am supposed to believe that this will not increase pressure?
I know that times will always change. But i believe that when you are using a natural resoure for profit you should be held to a DIFFERENT standard than “Joe fisherman”. And based on how other “Professional Fisherman” before these guys have set standards, i maintain the “Stringer Photos” are out of line.
Let me try to make a couple points a little clearer.
1- I am not trying to cut down anyone’s Hero’s with my post. I enjoy this site and the way it is managed.
2- I am well aware that this Site is a promotional tool.
I am also aware that the true “Big Boys” in the Fishing Promotion industry know that the consistant use of “Stringer Photos” has an adverse affect on the general public. In particular the guy that loads his boat up with Ringies,Dingies,Dooy’s and Don’ties and and doesn’t come home with limit after limit. As well as the do gooder that believes there is a massacre going on and now has the photos to prove it.
I know the guys have no wrong intentions. I was simply wondering if the are aware of the messages this site has the potential to send.
