Hey, come on now- go back to your post on 8-12 at 12:25pm.You stated that I was recycling information from baseless articles. Now your saying you were not singling me out?
Do your own research about factcheck is all I was saying. You say my opinion comes from baseless articles. What I am saying is maybe it’s not a bad idea for people checkout said website and see if their statements are really unbiased. If decided so and your going to base your decisions on one source of information, so be it.

I read the book so I know what tactic your using and it is not going to work on me. Where, in any of my posts did I say the president can take away guns and ammo? And because I believe in the constitution and bill of rights, I am going to hand over my weapons?
No, I read all of what you said. I am not really picking it apart, I guess I can’t have a differing view point. Lets be fair here, you picking parts of what I say to make your point also.
Point us all in the direction of what baseless recycled articles I am throwing out. And no, the knees are not jerking. Again you are making [censored] up to fit your arguement.
We can have a difference of opinion and discuss it here. Anyway I thought that was what this forum was for. In my opinion, if what you say about your rights is true, then we are not worlds apart. And for your information, I would lead the revolution.
Now before you attack my character again, I will give you some names of members who will attest to my convictions. Just give me the word.

Your argument is getting weak. You forgot to call me paranoid this time.
Why do you keep bringing up “base your vote on one issue”?
I will tell you what I base my votes on. Whoever bases their platform on FOR THE PEOPLE BY THE PEOPLE! A good starting point is where they stand on the 2nd and what SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED means. If they are anti 1st, 4th. 5th, whatever- thats all going to have an impact on my vote.
I am not scared of factcheck, I just don’t base my opinion on the statements of one website. If thats what you do, fine.
No, its not the first time anti gun legislation has come up. You said in your first post, the issue comes up every for years. I beg to differ. I have sent more letters and made more phone calls this year, than I ever have. Yea thats right, I contact the lawmakers before they vote on a bill. I guess thats kneejerk.
Listen, I am a guardian of the Republic. I protect the inalienable rights of all Americans. No one, not even the government is going to infringe on these rights-Not ON MY WATCH!

I can argue all their facts and points!
I don’t know, does Limbaugh mention them? I don’t listen to his show. But if I did, so what!
My point being that- you raised concern about people basing their election choice on one issue. Yet you list the opinions of one biased website as fact.
Anybody introducing anti gun legislation?
Well lets start with these- S.176
H.R.308
H.R.4063
S.35
S.436
H.R. 227
H.R. 612

The first thing to do is check out factcheck. interesting to find out who their supporters are and who sat on their board.
Think you are getting an unbiased opinion?

Lets see if I got this right. When sworn in, elected officials take an oath to uphold the constitution. I make my decision on who will uphold their oath. I did not refer to one party or the other. Since I believe that they should live up to my expectation of honoring their oath, that makes me paranoid huh?

Whats paranoid is someone wanting government to control every aspect of their life.

So bring on your assault. I was hammered on other kneejerk issues also. Like the U.N. gun ban, fast and furious, the TSA and the patriot act.

You want to give up your freedom because you think big brother is going to protect you? Good luck.

Thats right, we have to be carefull and keep those who abide by the constitution out of office!

If you take a class from an instructor that is certified by Utah, then you can apply for the Utah non-resident. Upon recieving the Utah permit, you then would be legal to carry in Minnesota.
What Kooty is talking about, would be for getting a Minnesota non-resident permit.

Brian, I have a contact for low cost treatment of psychosis.
Shoot me a pm.

Check with the Gun Exchange in Elk Mound. I had him do some work on a carbine for me and was well satisfied.

Call Bruce at Whispering Emerald Ridge in Menomonie, WI. 715-233-1281. Great place to hunt.

The way it reads is that a non resident cannot get a Wi. resident permit. This is what you want to look at as a non resident.
Allows non-residents who have concealed weapons licenses issued by any other state to carry in Wisconsin as long as that jurisdiction requires licensees to submit to a criminal background check comparable to that required for a Wisconsin carry license or the person’s license indicates that he or she volunteered for such a background check.
�� Authorizes DOJ to enter into reciprocity agreements with other states.

http://www.doj.state.wi.us/dles/cib/ConcealedCarry/ConcealedCarry.asp

Brian, I can’t say which other states WI. is going to honor but from what I heard a MN. permit will be.

Big G,
It should be listed on your DD214.

The WI. dept. of justice will accept applications Nov. 1st.
Along with the application a copy of a hunters safety certificate, military small arms training cert. or a certificate from an approved c/c class.

Sure is generational. When I got mine only military guys and bikers had tatts.

“Yes that screamin’ eagle and skull tattoo’s are from my military days”. “no, I don’t want to see your butterfly”.

I would wait until after Aug. 14th when more light will be shed on training and classes.
I agree that getting training from a instructor that covers the requirments of more states is a good idea. My point is, don’t rush out and spend 100.00 for a MN. permit and then turn around and burn 50.00 on a WI.
Would it not make more sense to get the WI. permit that will cover other states anyway. Then you can use that 100.00 for more training.
Just make sure the instructor you choose covers the other states plus WI.

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after reading that, for any of you that are close to the MN border, i would strongly suggest taking a MN course, get the MN Permit To Carry, and then use that as your required training to get your Wisconsin Concealed Carry Permit.

This will allow you to carry in your homestate, and will also grant you more reciprocity in other states. If you are going to spend the money on a training program, i would strongly suggest doing it this way.

just my $.02

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WI. is honoring other states permits, meaning if your a MN. resident- when the law goes you can carry in WI.
WI. residents can recieve training from a MN. certified trainer and use that to get WI. permit.
IT will up MN to decide if they honor WI. permits. This is something that has to be ironed out yet.
If your a WI. resident I wouldn’t worry about getting a MN. permit at this time.
Remember a MN. permit will not cover you if your a WI. resident and don’t have a WI. permit.

I was posting some info to help clarify what people need to get their permit.
The permit will also cover open carry. Which means no more locking the weapon in a case when in the vehicle.

Now for the opinion section- is it a good law?
The second admendment clearly states “shall not be infringed”.
It says nothing about obtaining a permit from th DOJ.
Any politician who voted for – and any citizen that is in favor of such a permit and then claims they believe in the Constitution of the United States is full of [censored]

The application form must be completed and proof of meeting the firearms safety training requirement must be provided along with a fee of no more than $50 (the exact amount will be determined by rule). DOJ will perform the same criminal background check it conducts on purchasers of firearms. Within 21 days of receiving the application, DOJ must issue the license or deny issuance and state the reasons for denial. An appeals process is established for those who believe they were wrongfully denied. All applicants who are Wisconsin residents 21 years-old or older, who may lawfully possess firearms, who satisfy the safety training requirement, and who pay the fee “shall” be issued a license. The license will be mailed to the licensee. In order for DOJ to handle what is expected to be an initial flurry of applications, it will have up to 45 days to process applications for the first four months that the law is in effect. After this period, processing time will permanently be no longer than 21 days. Proof of training includes a photo copy of a certificate of completion of any firearms safety course taught by an instructor who is certified by any state or national organization that certifies instructors. All firearms safety classes taught by NRA Certified Instructors, for example, will suffice. There are also a number of exemptions for those who have had military or law enforcement experience. For instance, military personnel who can show that they have completed basic training that involved a small arms training component will be exempt. Those who have DD 214s may send a photocopy with their applications. Photocopies of a concealed weapons license issued by another jurisdiction or of a hunter education program card will also satisfy this requirement. For more detailed information, see below.
General Provisions
�� Requires Wisconsin residents to obtain a Wisconsin concealed weapons license to carry concealed in the state. They may not use an out-of-state license.
�� Specifies that a licensee may carry a handgun concealed or openly. Unlike in some other states, an exposed handgun will not result in arrest.

Hope this doesn’t get too confusing but here are a few of the highlights of the bill.

The law goes into effect Nov. 1st.
At that time the the DOJ will start processing permit application.

The following will be accepted to obtain a permit.
1. hunters safety from any state.
2. Proof of military handgun training
3. law enforcement training
4. Training from a certified training program.

Thats all I can think of right now, but if you have hunters safety, are ex-military or police- that will have you covered. meaning you do not need to take a training course.
You can get training from a out of state source but you still have to get the WI. application.
Hope this helps.

http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Read.aspx?ID=6978

Yep, check for lymes. Dogs with acl injuries usually will still function, they just will keep stress and weight off the injured leg. Not wanting to eat or walk are symtoms of lymes.

I don’t know how many admendments they attached to it yesterday, (it passed 25 to 8) the last I heard they would honor other states permits.

It goes to the senate floor monday. There is a problem though. Seems to be alot of rino’s among us (imagine that).

I have been in contact with my rep and of course she was all in favor of the 2nd amendment. Yet she will not sign on to co-sponsor the bill.

Here is a list of the reps. that have no balls and could care less about your rights.

Contact them and tell them to get on board with SB-93.

[email protected], [email protected],

[email protected], [email protected],

[email protected], [email protected],

[email protected], [email protected],

[email protected], [email protected]

Passed by a 3 to 2 vote.

Madison – Wisconsin residents would be allowed to carry concealed weapons without getting permits or any training under a bill a Senate committee approved Wednesday, and the lead sponsor of the measure said she supported allowing people to bring guns into the state Capitol.

The vote came the same day an email from a top aide to Gov. Scott Walker was released that said as of six months ago Walker was prepared to sign “any” concealed weapons legislation. The email was written before the idea was proposed to allow people to carry hidden guns without permits, and Walker said Wednesday he would have to review whatever comes to him before deciding whether to sign it.

Its pretty clear, the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed! It says nothing about begging big brother for a permit!

There are also 1000s and 1000s of us who have been around firearms all our lives- including military training. Do we need to beg for a permit? Do we need to spends are hard earned money on classes? By putting it in the hands of government is pretty much saying a poor person isn’t allowed to protect their family.

Now that being said, lets have some faith in our fellow citizens. That a good number of them will seek training anyway.

regarding open carry and the statement that no one exercises that right in Wisconsin. Nothing could be further from the truth. I exercise that right everyday.

Don’t get too bent out of shape about this just yet. This is the judiciary committee. If the have an up vote all it means is that the vote goes to the senate where it will be loaded with options and likely include a permit clause.

Hearings were held and in Madison they tried to silence the supporters of constitutional carry!
Big goverenment republicans want to attach as much red tape and cost to apply for a permit to carry.
They just don’t get it- THE RIGHT TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS WILL BE BE INFRINGED!
Does being free mean begging the department of justice for a permit? I don’t think so.
Time to voice your opinion. here are two of the big brother- add as much cost- make it as hard as possible to obtain a permit supporters. stand up for your rights, contact these two and voice your opinion!
[email protected] and [email protected]
tell them to support constitutional carry.

Wisconsin: The 2011 Personal Protection Act Has Arrived!
Committee Hearings Have Been Scheduled for Next Thursday!

Now it is Time for You to Act!

The good citizens of Wisconsin have been denied their right to self-defense for too long and the time has now come to make the Personal Protection Act a reality! It is time that Wisconsin joins Free America and the 48 other states with concealed carry laws. The bills have been circulated for sponsorship and it is critical that you contact your state Representative and state Senator to urge them to cosponsor this legislation.

There are two bills being introduced in the 2011 legislative session that allow Wisconsinites to carry concealed weapons for personal protection. The first is known as “permitless carry” and it simply eliminates the current prohibition against law-abiding citizens carrying concealed firearms. Many citizens already carry openly and this will allow them to conceal their firearms. It also eliminates the “cased and unloaded” requirement for handguns in motor vehicles. State Senator Pam Galloway (R-Wausau) has introduced this bill in the Senate and there is currently no companion bill in the Assembly. Its designation before assigned a bill number is LRB 2007 and both senators and representatives are able to cosponsor it.

The second is a “shall issue” carry license bill that allows Wisconsinites to obtain a license from the state Department of Justice (DOJ) in order to carry a concealed weapon. This license bill offers some additional benefits. These include the ability to use the license to carry a concealed weapon in many other states while traveling and the ability to carry concealed weapons in school zones (1000-foot area surrounding school grounds). These zones are prolific and it is virtually impossible to navigate populated areas without entering them while engaging in routine activities. The federal penalty for a school zone violation is up to five years in prison and a fine. State Senator Pam Galloway (R-Wausau) and state Representative Jeffrey Mursau (R-Crivitz) are the sponsors of this bill. The current Senate Bill designation is LRB 2027 and the Assembly Bill is LRB 2033.

When contacting your state legislators to request that they cosponsor the Personal Protection Act, please also ask them to oppose any amendments that restrict your ability to defend yourself or place unnecessary hurdles in the process required to obtain a concealed weapons license. Too many legislators are acting as if there are not 48 other states with such concealed carry laws and that there is no way of determining what works and what does not. The time for guessing has ended!

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