Xcel is cleaning up a radioactive water spill at Monticello plant

  • Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59992
    #2189117

    “Xcel and the Minnesota Pollution Control Agency both said the 400,000-gallon spill posed no threat to drinking water or the nearby Mississippi River.”

    “Both Xcel and the Minnesota Pollution Control Agency said there was no risk to drinking water from the spill, which was traced to a pipe connecting two buildings across just a half-inch space. The spill was first reported to state and federal regulators on Nov. 22, 2022, and the source was found on Dec. 19, and patched soon after, according to MPCA.”

    “Koudelka said the MPCA was announcing the leak almost three months after it was patched because “we have now sufficient information to be able to share it out to a wider group.”

    Damn, that makes me feel good!

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    Dutchboy
    Central Mn.
    Posts: 16658
    #2189124

    So, we can’t legally fish under lights in Minnesota, what if the fish are radioactive and light up are we legal?

    buckybadger
    Upper Midwest
    Posts: 8179
    #2189128

    Trust Xcel & the MPCA as they release information about a radioactive leak 3 months after the case?

    …hard pass

    Eelpoutguy
    Farmington, Outing
    Posts: 10436
    #2189130

    “Koudelka said the MPCA was announcing the leak almost three months after it was patched because “we have now sufficient information to be able to share it out to a wider group.”

    That sounds like it came directly out of the “how to be a Politician handbook”.

    CaptainMusky
    Posts: 22813
    #2189132

    What is with all these train derailments and now radioactive leaks? This is getting very concerning.

    glenn57
    cold spring mn
    Posts: 11830
    #2189142

    thats to get you to go green. devil

    the prez/ of Xcel is from Colorado and hugely into the green movement… just sayin!!!!

    Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59992
    #2189143

    I think I’m more concerned with the MPCA then Excel…but then it doesn’t say when Xcel learned about the leak, just when they reported it.

    They had the same think at Prairie Island a number of years back. It took 2 weeks for the public to learn about it.

    That’s when I bought a Giger counter to keep in my boat. (yes, right next to my aluminum hat).

    Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59992
    #2189144

    the prez/ of Xcel is from Colorado and hugely into the green movement

    He (the company) really doesn’t have a choice do they?

    glenn57
    cold spring mn
    Posts: 11830
    #2189146

    ^^^^ maybe not….but they sure arent bucking it either……. i got to hear enough of that when i was gainfully employed with the Union….its were the field guys made there bread and butter.

    i also have a good friend that works at Xcel…..the stuff he tells me whistling doah

    B-man
    Posts: 5813
    #2189147

    Sweeping it under the rug until it’s “all clear?”

    That’s sketchy as hell…

    Coletrain27
    Posts: 4789
    #2189152

    UNREAL THAT THIS IS JUST COMING OUT

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    gregory
    Red wing,mn
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    #2189155

    Sweeping it under the rug until it’s “all clear?”

    That’s sketchy as hell…

    I’ve worked at both plants. Monti and Pi spent majority of my time at Pi. In my opinion it’s basically cooling water that went through the system. So at pi once you took river water out of the river it couldn’t go on the ground but could go back into river. Basically the river water goes through the condensers and back out to the river. It’s all part of their water license. I would not lose any sleep over this or be concerned about it.

    Coletrain27
    Posts: 4789
    #2189158

    I’ve worked at both plants. Monti and Pi spent majority of my time at Pi. In my opinion it’s basically cooling water that went through the system. So at pi once you took river water out of the river it couldn’t go on the ground but could go back into river. Basically the river water goes through the condensers and back out to the river. It’s all part of their water license. I would not lose any sleep over this or be concerned about it.

    so the cooling water going back into the river has radiative tritium in it?

    gregory
    Red wing,mn
    Posts: 1628
    #2189166

    So I’m not a chemist, but it’s my understanding that it’s a naturally occurring. So it’s my understanding they treat all the river water as it has some level of it, and that’s why it can’t go back on the ground and has to go back in river. And it’s all part of the water license how they handle the river water.

    Coletrain27
    Posts: 4789
    #2189170

    So I’m not a chemist, but it’s my understanding that it’s a naturally occurring. So it’s my understanding they treat all the river water as it has some level of it, and that’s why it can’t go back on the ground and has to go back in river. And it’s all part of the water license how they handle the river water.

    Gotcha

    The_Bladepuller
    South end
    Posts: 745
    #2189173

    I have worked at that plant so I want to make a couple of points.
    1) Cooling water is taken out of the river and used in condensers (pretty much under the turbines in the turbine building which is the lower broader building in the Strib story). The water the steam is generated with is a closed loop that is constantly being reused.
    That river water then goes to the cooling towers where it is dripped / drizzled thru ambient air and sent back to the river.
    COOLING WATER NEVER IS IN THE REACTOR BUILDING.
    A boiling water reactor (Monticello) operates at less pressure than a pressurized water reactor. A PWR has a steam generator & the steam that spins the turbine isn’t exposed to the reactor. Navy ships are PWR. The turbine in a BWR is exposed to radiation but the contamination half life IS MEASURED IN HOURS NOT YEARS. Once the BWR reactor is no longer critical (it has been shut down) crews are in the turbine building the next day and believe me it is still warm.
    2) The Nuclear Reg. Commission & the Institute of Nuclear Power Operators (regulating industry trade group) would be the 1st to be notified by the plant. Any MN state official would be so far over their head. The state is a very minor player.
    3) If you want to see & learn more a good source is a web site called The Nuclear Tourist. Schematics of piping systems, etc.
    When I read the water leaked thru the “floor” of the turbine blding it tells me it was a leak between the reactor blding & the condenser room in the turbine blding.
    Carry on.

    Karry Kyllo
    Posts: 1271
    #2189177

    thats to get you to go green. devil

    the prez/ of Xcel is from Colorado and hugely into the green movement… just sayin!!!!

    nuclear energy is green

    glenn57
    cold spring mn
    Posts: 11830
    #2189184

    What about the spent rods??

    ajw
    Posts: 521
    #2189196

    The amount of water that was released means nothing. How radiation dense it is does. Nearly all our lakes rivers, drinking water etc has some amounts of radiation. Hell we all walk around with a radiation emitting device in our pockets and hold them up to our heads.

    Nuclear energy is the greenest energy we have. From a power used vs power produced standpoint for sure.

    Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59992
    #2189218

    Nuclear isn’t the problem. It’s the agencies that are to keep the public informed is!

    The MPCA was on channel 4 this morning was asked directly “why did it take 4 months to notify the public”?

    The question wasn’t answered.

    If it’s important enough to be reported to the Nuclear Agency and the MPCA, the public should be notified immediately as well.

    When was the last time a large company told us the truth right up front?

    Oh yeah, I forgot 3m. Right??

    Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59992
    #2189219

    I know there’s different types of radiation. However, I used my Geiger counter and checked out my iPhone 14 on the setting of times 100 and I couldn’t tell the difference between the background and if there was any radiation coming off of the iPhone.

    The problem with a Geiger counter is that if you do find radiation source, it’s too late for me, but it will be three months earlier than what excel or the MPCA tells me.

    Edit: Now if we are talking radio frequencies, that’s different.

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    Dutchboy
    Central Mn.
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    #2189221

    Nuclear isn’t the problem. It’s the agencies that are to keep the public informed is!

    The MPCA was on channel 4 this morning was asked directly “why did it take 4 months to notify the public”?

    The question wasn’t answered.

    If it’s important enough to be reported to the Nuclear Agency and the MPCA, the public should be notified immediately as well.

    When was the last time a large company told us the truth right up front?

    Oh yeah, I forgot 3m. Right??

    MPCA learned their transparency rules from another Minnesota agency, the MDNR.

    Brian Klawitter
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    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
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    #2189225

    Red Herring Dutch.

    mark-bruzek
    Two Harbors, MN
    Posts: 3867
    #2189282

    What, we cant trust the govt to be transparent???
    The last 2 years are great examples of that.

    Just imagine how many more coverups Xcel enery will now be creating having more radioactive pollution due the increase in electro cars….

    Ya know because electro cars have ZERO EMISSIONS…

    Riverrat
    Posts: 1530
    #2189396

    Th article I was reading said they didn’t “have to” release information about the spill because the radiation remained on Excel property. The levels were low but I find it hard to reason that in a wet marshy environment, with runoff, that it could be reasonably expected that the spill would never leave the property.

    Reef W
    Posts: 2743
    #2189505

    It says right in the Strib article that the NRC “published the “nonemergency” report in its public list of nuclear events the next day” so it seems like a pretty bad coverup. This must not be a “do your own research” situation… jester

    NRC Event Number: 56236
    “On 11/22/2022, Monticello Nuclear Generating Plant initiated a voluntary communication to the State of Minnesota after receiving analysis results for an on-site monitoring well that indicated tritium activity above the [Offsite Dose Calculation Manual] ODCM and Nuclear Energy Institute (NEI) Groundwater Protection Initiative (GPI) reporting levels. The source of the tritium is under investigation and the station will continue to monitor and sample accordingly.”

    The_Bladepuller
    South end
    Posts: 745
    #2189525

    This is an odd numbered year, 2023, & in odd #ed years there is a late winter / early spring refueling outage.
    The plant is off line and the areas of the plant that are not accessible due to radiation when under operation become accessible. IE The condenser room on the lower level of the turbine building, to be specific. Draw your own conclusions.
    If this incident was anything that the NRC or INPO was the least bit concerned about being a risk to the public the plant would have been shut down long ago.
    ajw is spot on that the density matters. I would venture that he, like me, has an “N” # that once issued & renewed allows one to work unescorted in nukes.

    Netguy
    Minnetonka
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    #2189545

    Tritium’s half-life is 12.4 years. I used to use it to calibrate a piece of equipment because it is so stable.

    Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59992
    #2190335

    Monticello leak of radioactive water was in top 10 among U.S. plants, reading shows the well that first showed evidence of a tritium leak now shows levels about half the original amount, MPCA says.

    The recently revealed leak of radioactive tritium at the Monticello Nuclear Generating Station was the sixth highest recorded among U.S. nuclear power plants.

    A monitoring well at the site registered a tritium level of 5 million picocuries per liter, according to a Nov. 22 report from the plant to the state. Only five other plants across the country have registered leaks of higher concentrations, according to a 2021 report from the Nuclear Regulatory Commission, the most recent available.

    Tritium, a mildly radioactive form of hydrogen, mixes easily into water but presents no health risk unless it is ingested. It occurs in nature but more commonly as a byproduct of nuclear power production. Xcel has been pumping up and collecting contaminated water, and is also pumping to keep the underground plume of tritium from spreading.

    By last week, the concentration in the monitoring well had decreased to 2.47 million picocuries per liter, said Kirk Koudelka, an assistant commissioner at the Minnesota Pollution Control Agency.

    The federal limit for tritium in drinking water is 20,000 picocuries, but none of the contaminated water has left the site or reached any drinking water source, including the Mississippi River, state officials and Xcel have said.

    The lack of risk to the public was one reason state officials gave for waiting months before publicizing the leak last week. After high levels of tritium were found in November, the leak was patched about a month later — and the public wasn’t told the extent of the event until March 16.

    “Tritium is a very low risk, and none of that has left the site,” said Daniel Huff, assistant commissioner for health protection at the Minnesota Department of Health. “If there had been the potential of any imminent risk, we would have notified folks immediately.”

    He said he knows some people have criticized the delayed announcement by health officials and the Minnesota Pollution Control Agency.

    “We have definitely heard from folks that they want us to, you know, let them know much faster. And we hear that and we get it,” Huff said.

    State officials got a “first glimpse” in January that the tritium was moving toward the river as the isotope showed up in test results in another well on the plant property, and more monitoring needed to be conducted to understand how the contamination was moving, Koudelka said.

    The city of Monticello “learned about the extent of the water leak at the Monticello Plant at the end of February,” according to a statement released Friday by Mayor Lloyd Hilgart. Hilgart did not respond to a phone call Tuesday.

    The city will also be the site of a long-planned NRC meeting Wednesday night, as the agency collects comments on Xcel’s proposal to extend the plant’s license. The utility is depending on Monticello, and another generating station at Prairie Island, to meet state requirements for 100% carbon-free energy by 2040.

    By volume, Xcel’s 400,000-gallon spill was relatively large; the average water tower holds about 1 million gallons.

    “400,000 gallons seemed like it should have been discovered sooner,” said David Lochbaum, a nuclear safety engineer and consultant. “But to be fair to the company, it could be a longstanding, smaller leak.”

    The tritium at the Monticello plant leaked from a 3-inch pipe that carried water from the plant’s turbine building to its reactor building, with only a half-inch of pipe between the exterior walls.

    “It is a very difficult space to get to because the walls on each side are very thick concrete,” said Chris Clark, Xcel’s president for Minnesota. Workers had to cut through 2 feet of concrete to insert a camera to spot leaks, he said.

    The pipe was leaking roughly two gallons per minute – about the speed of a typical kitchen faucet, said Pat Flowers, Xcel’s manager of environmental services.

    Xcel detected the tritium overload in one of nearly 20 monitoring wells the company built around 2007. The same well showed no evidence of the leak a month earlier. Such groundwater systems were voluntarily installed at nuclear power plants across the country after a particularly well-publicized tritium leak at Exelon Corp.’s Braidwood station in Illinois.

    “The silver lining is that these monitoring wells are [in place] and that it is unlikely that leaks will fail to be detected,” Lochbaum said.

    The nuclear industry’s groundwater monitoring initiative came only after legislation was introduced in Congress – by then-Sen. Barack Obama of Illinois – to toughen leak disclosure regulations, Lochbaum said. The bill never passed.

    The highest-concentration tritium leak on record happened in 2010 at the Brunswick nuclear plant in North Carolina, where levels reached 19 million picocuries per liter.

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    Eelpoutguy
    Farmington, Outing
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    #2190964

    The plot thickens

    Xcel discovers new leak at Monticello plant, will power down for repairs
    The company reported the new leak to be in the “hundreds of gallons” range. The original leak reported last week was about 400,000 gallons.

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