I’ll share my 21P Bravo results once I get back from Lake of the Woods next Sunday.
Looks like they just released a long tube version of the Bravo series in a pro finish this week as well which might be the next prop (and by far the most expensive prop) I try.
With all the conversations I have had with everyone and my short bit of testing I have decided these boats have enough bow lift with the setback and stepped transom that they simply require more trim down at slower speeds than I am used to. If you look at the point the water breaks on the hull at mid range it’s still farther back than my 1900 at full trim. I will be doing more testing and maybe a prop change but for now I’m happy with the 21M running 56-58.5 depending on load. I stated I had a porpoising problem because I thought I should be able to run more trim at 30-45 but I guess that’s not the case. I will be installing trim tabs for other reasons but I believe they will also help you run more trim at slower speeds as well. My motor is mounted in the 3rd hole but I will be dropping it at least one hole as I have a bit more trim left I can’t use yet or I lose speed.
Phil,
I am running mine in the third hole and could only raise the motor one more hole. I have heard that the cavitation ate should be level with the bottom of the boat but mine is about 4″higher than level. Any suggestions?
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Thewoodenboy, mine was 3rd hole as well and I cannot use all my trim or I start to loose mph!! Depending on what prop your running you’ll probably need to drop 1 hole or 2. I talked to 3 of the best prop guys in the Midwest and they all said at FULL trim your rooster tail should be no more than 1-1.5ft out of the water. You can’t go exactly by reference to the bottom of the boat because All hulls are a little different and some props can be ran higher up. So if you lose speed before full trim drop 1 hole and try it….. If that’s enough leave it there but if not take it down 1 more.
WB, I just moved mine to the third hole, 2 holes above mounting bolts. I am running the sws 2 19p. Really seemed to help all my issues. I was running at 5900 rpm, now spinning 6100. Cavation plate went from completely buried to running just at or slightly below the surface. I didn’t really have a long distance to wring her out, but did manage to a fuzz over 55mph. Hole shot was pretty good, 0-planing in 4.2 seconds. I beleave my mpg numbers were a little better as well, as I was able to run a little more trim at slower speeds. I could only find some 2′ waves to run in, but felt it did a good job holding nose up. And this was all done with a full livewell.
Tried out the Tempest Plus 21p today, conditions were 75 degrees, west wind 17-21mph. Could not find any water that would let me run up past 40mph today. Hole shot was about the same as the sws2 19p. Was able to go out and play in the rough stuff, found some 2-4’s to run in. Tempest did well, no complaints. Just my feeling, but felt that the SWS 2 19p just, well felt better in the rough stuff. I would like to try the Pro series 21p that Joe is running, and a Bravo 1 FS 20p. As far as your cav plate, everything I have done in the past has been, the starting point is to put the cav plate even with bottom of boat, then check it to see where it is at. We have step transoms, and they throw a wrench in for me. But I think I have mine set properly. My last boat was a Starcraft 2050 w/Etec 225 HO. It drives very differently than my Skeeter, I don’t think these Skeeters like as much trim as I am used to using. Get somebody to drive your boat, fill the livewell, have them run 35mph, trim up where you are running good and look over the transom and see where your cavation plate is in relation ship to the water surface. You want it as close to the surface as possible. For me, I beleive I have it set pretty good. Good luck.
Phil,
Thanks for sharing your insights! It really does help to hear your experiences. I had it out yesterday on smooth and calm water. It has tendency to porpoise if I use any trim at all even on calm water. It really doesn’t take much waves to get the bow bouncing. I had a full rear live well and was able to get 5900rpm at about 55mph. I had my boy hold the wheel at 40mph with no trim so that I could snap a pic. If that is a good reference point then to me appears like I need to raise the motor one hole. Is that I correct interpretation of the attached pic?
Thanks again!
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Phil,
Thanks for sharing your insights! It really does help to hear your experiences. I had it out yesterday on smooth and calm water. It has tendency to porpoise if I use any trim at all even on calm water. It really doesn’t take much waves to get the bow bouncing. I had a full rear live well and was able to get 5900rpm at about 55mph. I had my boy hold the wheel at 40mph with no trim so that I could snap a pic. If that is a good reference point then to me appears like I need to raise the motor one hole. Is that I correct interpretation of the attached pic?Thanks again!
It’s going to run higher out of the water @55mph than 40 keep that in mind.
WB,
That looks like what I was dealing with. I feel that it helped my issue raising the motor a hole. I sent you a pm last night.
Just got back from a weeklong trip up at Lake of the woods and had a chance to run the 21P Bravo 1 for the whole week under a wide array of conditions. Needless to say I was very impressed with this prop.
With a full tank of gas, 3 adults and the boat loaded to the gills with more weight than I’ve ever carried before (especially in the front compartments) I still continuously saw 55.7-55.8 with this prop and 5700-5800 RPMs. With 2 anglers, a half tank of gas and some weight reduction/distribution, I was able to low 57s quite consistently at 5900-6000 RPMS.
I wasn’t looking at this prop to be much of a speed prop to begin with as I already have a 21P Pro Series for that, but I was impressed with the top end results it provided. For overall control and fuel efficiently which is what I was looking for, I came away very impressed.
For those of you running the wx2060 without a jack plate, I think that 20.5P would put you right where you need to be.
Justin-
I was on Leech lake today and was able to really see what my 21p Bravo 1 prop would do. Keep in mind that I also have an electric jack plate. My max RPMs were 5600 which got me to 55 mph. This is with a fishing partner (250lbs) and myself (200lbs). I wish I could get the Rpms out of this prop that you get but it it just won’t get there. Don’t know if you have an exceptionally strong running motor or whether mine is weak. I am happy that this prop gets rid of the big rooster tail and handling in the turns is excellent. There is still a tendency to porpoise but it is not nearly as bad as with the SWSII. If I get a 20p Bravo 1 I should get the Rpms up to 5800 which would be acceptable but I would rather see 6000. Don’t know if I should try a 20p in the Bravo1 or switch to a Rev4 in 19p.
Jim,
I am trying a rev 4 this weekend, I think it is a 21p though. I have a Bravo 1 FS in a 20p ordered, but won’t be in until the middle of the month. I will let you know how that one goes.
To each his own but I had very poor results with the 21P Rev 4.
To each his own but I had very poor results with the 21P Rev 4. FWIW the Bravo 1 props like to run high and I’m seeing my best results at 3/4 trim and a 3-4″ raise on my jack plate. And to answer everyone’s next question yes I’m still seeing good water pressure at those heights.
I have a loner prop from a buddy, so I thought I would try it out. can’t hurt anything.
My 2015 Wx2060 was shipped with a saltwaterII 21-t 15. I like the way it bites in the wind and no problem with turns. I do not like the holeshot. I can get 5800 at 54 mph gps. Am I being to fussy or can I improve holeshot without sacrificing everything else? The motor is mounted directly on the transom. 3rd hole from top.Tx
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My 2015 Wx2060 was shipped with a saltwaterII 21-t 15. I like the way it bites in the wind and no problem with turns. I do not like the holeshot. I can get 5800 at 54 mph gps. Am I being to fussy or can I improve holeshot without sacrificing everything else? The motor is mounted directly on the transom. 3rd hole from top.Tx
Really shocked you are seeing 5800 with a 21 saltwater. Are you sure its not a 19p? You have the Offshore motor correct?
For not running a jackplate or set back plate your top end is pretty good. I know my buddy seems to like his 19 Tempest on his. The 19p Turbo 1 was also a good prop on the 2060 with 250 offshore and no jackplate.
Yes it is the 3.3L 250. Here is a picture of the prop. I am pretty sure I was at 5800 trimmed up. Here is a picture of my prop. Are the Tempest and the Turbo1 Yamaha props?.
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Well, I finally got to test the Bravo 1 FS in the 20p. I was by myself, so I don’t have any 0-plane numbers, but it felt better than SWS 2 19p. Also, I felt it help with the low speed handling. Top speed was a pleasent surprize. 5800 rpms and 56.5mph on the GPS. I take off for Lake Saint Clair, for 3 days of Smallmouth fishing. I will have two guys with me and cooler full of ice, food, and waters. Should be a good test for the prop. I am looking forward to getting back to Erie and running the prop out there. But based on short amount of time yesterday on the lake, I am very pleased.
Yes it is the 3.3L 250. Here is a picture of the prop. I am pretty sure I was at 5800 trimmed up. Here is a picture of my prop. Are the Tempest and the Turbo1 Yamaha props?.
The tempest is a Mercury prop and Turbo is owned by Yamaha. At 5800 and 54mph on a 21p prop that is a lot of slip. Curious do you notice no speed gain after like 55-5600rpms?
I do not notice any gain after 5500 – 5600.
I do not notice any gain after 5500 – 5600.
Yeah I figured. That’s a big prop to spin that many rpms efficiently. If you are happy with the performance I would say don’t change but really being that you only need to run 55-5600 I would look at dropping pitch so you are running 5700+rpms at max speed. That way you aren’t retarding the timing of the motor.
Hey guys, just wanted to give an update. I have settled on the Bravo FS1 20″ with the plugs in, and I have the motor set in the 3rd from the top. Hole shot feels good, better than the SWS 2 19.is My top speed is 56 mph @5800rpm. It climbs waves and does a nice job of being able to run on plane at lower speed, this is important when running with, and troughing waves. I have decided that this Hull does not like much trim at slower speeds. Just the way the boat is designed. After testing other props, I have also decided that the SWS 2, is a good prop, but I think that an 18P would have worked better on my rig. Thanks for your help. Now it is time to catch some slob Walleyes!
Guys this is just for more info on props I run a 2014 wx2060 with 250 offshore. It came with a 18 saltwater series. I just tried the bravo 1lt in 20.5 pitch. The control was nice and not to bad of a hole shot but I could only spin it 5300 rpm and 54 mph. I’m exchanging it for a 19 pitch bravo 1lt, I’m not looking for a lot more speed, mainly control and ride. I will post when I get the 19 pitch. By the way no jack plate or set back, engine mounted in third hole from the top.
Good fishing!
Anybody who is interested in a Bravo 1 FS 20 can PM me. I also have the Flo-Torq II hub kit with it.
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