So waconia is looking to get its first wood pier, aka perminate structure.
The city, nor the dnr have any rights to stop it.
Thoughts on having the dnr or state to have the authority to say yeah or neh
Or do you guys want a 260 foot wooden dock.
Who is putting it in? It will give shore fisherman somewhere to go.
DT
Give us some details. Is there some problem?
If this is Lake Waconia it is public water and any structure being added to the lake will be under the glass of the dnr. The dnr has criteria that has to be met before anything even starts and the dnr does have to sign the construction agreement.
A 260 footer should afford plenty of area for Zeebs to take hold and pro-create. lol
Docks are commonly used access structures on Minnesota lakes and rivers. No permit is needed to install, construct, or reconstruct a dock on shoreline property if the property owner complies with certain restrictions PDF icon..
Design and locate your dock and boat lift to avoid interfering with your neighbor’s use of the water. Docks and boat lifts should be placed so that mooring and maneuvering of watercraft can normally be confined within the property lines as if they were extended into the water.
The DNR has regulated docks and other structures in public waters for several decades. In recent years, the DNR has witnessed an increased number of “dock platforms,” which are structures over public waters that exceed longstanding statewide rules that limit docks to a maximum of eight feet in width. Following several months of information dissemination and the gathering of public input, a General Permit was issued by the DNR in January 2008 which authorizes, under certain conditions, the installation of a single, temporary platform at the lake end of a dock.
Information Concerning General Permit 2008-0401, Authorization of Dock Platforms
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Citizen Dock Surveys
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Who is putting it in? It will give shore fisherman somewhere to go.
DT
Private Dock\pier by a guy that hates his neighbors dock so he wants something longer that goes out farther.
<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>deertracker wrote:</div>
Who is putting it in? It will give shore fisherman somewhere to go.
DTPrivate Dock\pier by a guy that hates his neighbors dock so he wants something longer that goes out farther.
With that attitude sounds like the wife probably yearns for a longer structure as well 
BK that is part of the issue. The DNR does not set the “navigable water depth”
They only regulate the size of the dock in width and what is at the end. Not the length or type of structure it is.
The concern of the people is the president it will set by allowing permanent structures farther out into the water on the lake.
I guess the only way to control it is a lake association, but there is if someone has the money and wants to fight it, there is no law restricting it, nothing can be done.
What is going to keep the ice from taking it out?
Another thing about the navigable water depth. Say the DNR says the navigable water dept is 4 ft.
You own a place on the lake and the whole bay is 4ft deep, so does that give you the right to put a 500ft dock out?
What is going to keep the ice from taking it out?
We were all thinking about the same thing. The neighbors that I talked to do not believe he is not going to do anything other then leave it be.
I guess I can’t wait to see a good north\NE wind in the spring around April timeframe.
BK that is part of the issue. The DNR does not set the “navigable water depth”
They only regulate the size of the dock in width and what is at the end. Not the length or type of structure it is.
The concern of the people is the president it will set by allowing permanent structures farther out into the water on the lake.
I guess the only way to control it is a lake association, but there is if someone has the money and wants to fight it, there is no law restricting it, nothing can be done.
But they can enforce if it is deemed to be a public safety risk. And how deep are we talking? Unless this guy has a boat that draws 10’+ of draft then they do have the power to say he has gone deep enough.
“The structure is not a hazard to navigation, health, or safety.”
“The dock is no longer than needed to achieve its intended use, including reaching navigable water depth.
http://files.dnr.state.mn.us/publications/waters/shoreline_alterations_water_access.pdf
<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Joe Scegura wrote:</div>
What is going to keep the ice from taking it out?We were all thinking about the same thing. The neighbors that I talked to do not believe he is not going to do anything other then leave it be.
I guess I can’t wait to see a good north\NE wind in the spring around April timeframe.
I think if he leaves it in the ice will take care of this problem for you. And then if he leaves any part of the destroyed dock in the water he will be fined for littering.
There are wood pier docks here in Alexandria and they get disassembled and taken out each year. Very expensive process.
“There are wood pier docks here in Alexandria and they get disassembled and taken out each year. Very expensive process.”
Our .gov in action folks! 
I assume he’s looking at the style with pile-driven piers well below the bottom?
HRG
“There are wood pier docks here in Alexandria and they get disassembled and taken out each year. Very expensive process.”
Our .gov in action folks!
I certainly agree about the Gov waste, but all of the piers I know of are private.
It just seems like we always need a law for people without common sense.
Some day…some day we’ll all get along.
It just seems like we always need a law for people without common sense.
Some day…some day we’ll all get along.
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Anyone remember the permanent wooden pier on Cobblestone lake in Apple Valley?…That lasted long…
I assume he’s looking at the style with pile-driven piers well below the bottom?
HRG
Yes you are correct.
Here is some past news on the issue. Mainly the owners of the new pier going to the city to stop other people from putting their docks where they have always had them.
http://www.waconia.org/AgendaCenter/ViewFile/Agenda/_04062017-237<a
href=”http://sunpatriot.com/2015/03/02/waconia-council-denies-proposed-amendment-for-docks-boat-lifts/” target=”_blank”>http://sunpatriot.com/2015/03/02/waconia-council-denies-proposed-amendment-for-docks-boat-lifts/
Ahhhh, the rest of the story. So there’s a pair of “community” docks on the outlot next door,,,,,
HRG
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Its all about who you know or buddy up to when it comes to small town politics.
If Waconia is anything like my town on the St.Croix there is a small group that controls things as it bennifits them, even by breaking the rules to suit themselves then enforceing those same rules onto others. Sorry for the rant, I hate small town politics.
That Sunpatriot article got confusing. The people’s last name is Dock and they are talking about docks….. 
DT
Its all about who you know or buddy up to when it comes to small town politics.
If Waconia is anything like my town on the St.Croix there is a small group that controls things as it bennifits them, even by breaking the rules to suit themselves then enforceing those same rules onto others. Sorry for the rant, I hate small town politics.
And HOAs
I have friends in the development where this is taking place. I can say first hand that the guy that wants/is doing the long dock is being a total A$$ and has been for a number of years. The guy’s property is beside the lot that is shared by all the residents of the Waconia landing development. As seen in the pictures posted by HRG the fella in question is laying his dock out at a severe angle to crowd out the residents from having use of their lakefront and use of their docks/boats.
Total jack a$$ throwing his money around like power.
I have friends in the development where this is taking place. I can say first hand that the guy that wants/is doing the long dock is being a total A$$ and has been for a number of years. The guy’s property is beside the lot that is shared by all the residents of the Waconia landing development. As seen in the pictures posted by HRG the fella in question is laying his dock out at a severe angle to crowd out the residents from having use of their lakefront and use of their docks/boats.
Total jack a$$ throwing his money around like power.
So is Docks dock the white U shaped one or Z shaped one? Obviously the HOAs is the one with 4 or 5 slips.
OK, last photo. Found the lot lines, it appears as though he’s attempting to follow his left-side lot line down into the water.
HRG
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OK, last photo. Found the lot lines, it appears as though he’s attempting to follow his left-side lot line down into the water.
HRG
Yes I believe he is too. It is an effort to block access to the lake from the other docks as there are a lot of reeds there.
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