Wolves.

Dutchboy wrote:

There will come the day that Eagles will be regulated again. They went from being very rare in Minnesota to being able to see them about anywhere.

Control doesn’t = extermination. The Wolf population needs controls just like the Deer herds do.

Agree 100 percent .This year had a neighbor lose some Lamas and other live stock to a pack , a number of years back another neighbor lost a beef to wolves and had a heifer killed by coyotes ! Based on what the Federal trapper determined. 6 years ago a couple days before Christmas i had a lone wolf 3 feet away from my basement walk out , my lab damn near went through the patio door to get him . Every year Wisconsin pays out a ton of money to people who have had losses to wolf predication . Just a matter of time until someone’s kid gets attacked or killed ! Wolves need regulation period .

Apparently this was taken in Washington County Minnesota, Is this a Coyote or a Wolf or a Cross/Mix?

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That’s a coyote.

carroll58 wrote:

Apparently this was taken in Washington County Minnesota, Is this a Coyote or a Wolf or a Cross/Mix?

It’s a coyote.

carroll58 wrote:

They denied it was Wolves and claimed that was Coyotes and asked where they photo’s came from, he didn’t answer. Just part of MnDNR Denial of facts.

I wonder if they’d have the same attitude if you shot one of those “Coyotes” making the tracks? I’ve heard the same thing about their response to mountain lion sightings. Every news story about sightings includes a comment from the DNR that it was just a transient animal and that there are no known resident lions in MN. I don’t get it.

Wolves need to be managed just like any other fish, animal, or predator. I believe that in the southern fringe of their range where more people reside, they are losing their fear of us. Which will only make them braver.

The DNR has proven before that they are capable of managing a lottery-driven, quota-based hunting and/or trapping season. I think trapping is more effective, but maybe there aren’t enough licensed trappers to do this anymore. Regardless, they are a vital part of the ecosystem as an apex predator and their population has stabilized. People should be able to defend their property and themselves if they need to.

I’ve never seen one but I would enjoy having the opportunity to someday. I’ve hunted deer in Cass County for 27 years. The closest I’ve come is fresh track and howling in the distance.

Netguy wrote:

You carry a gun while you are loading your truck to go fishing. Must be a rough neighborhood.

If he has a registered carry permit, he can carry it wherever he wants to. That’s the point.

Earlier this fall there was a pack that killed 23 ewes overnight north of Motley. The ewes were 300+lb animals. They took out 1/5 of the ranchers heard. Send em for a nice float down the river or a nice scenic ride on a train.

It is weird how much public opposition there is to wolves in particular – it baffled me that there were so many anti wolf hunting yard signs when I lived in Minneapolis back when there was a season. Plus, a system when you sell a ton of permits, have people register their harvest daily, and shut it down when the quota is met can be such a cash cow for the DNR. Follow the data and manage it right and let it be win win.

tindall wrote:

It is weird how much public opposition there is to wolves in particular – it baffled me that there were so many anti wolf hunting yard signs when I lived in Minneapolis back when there was a season. Plus, a system when you sell a ton of permits, have people register their harvest daily, and shut it down when the quota is met can be such a cash cow for the DNR. Follow the data and manage it right and let it be win win.

I couldn’t agree more.

Red Eye wrote:

Earlier this fall there was a pack that killed 23 ewes overnight north of Motley. The ewes were 300+lb animals. They took out 1/5 of the ranchers heard. Send em for a nice float down the river or a nice scenic ride on a train.

I would love to read the details of this wolf attack.

I did a Google search and only found a few wolf attacks on sheep in wisconsin from 2019.

It’s got to be insanely frustrating for farmers.

My neighbor is a large rancher and knows the sheep rancher personally. My neighbor is part of the Minnesota cattlemen. They were very influential in getting wolves delisted the first time and this time. He has enough stories like this to make you sick.

The ranchers do get some compensation but it is rarely market value and that is only if the DNR concedes that it was 100% a wolf kill.

I look forward to the day when wolves freely roam the city suburbs. Only once some city folks start losing their pets will the Gov finally listen and see they need to be managed.

I would love to help speed up the process too, and live trap a few dozen of them and drop them off at all the local parks down in the burbs.

The wolf huggers tone will change rapidly once they start seeing mangled deer carcasses scattered all around their precious walking trails and a few Fido’s and Fluffy’s get torn to shreds.

I love living among them, and knowing they are here. Enjoy every encounter I have. But I have A LOT of encounters with wolves. They are doing just fine. A regulated hunt will do them more good than harm.

Just think, even when humans tried to wipe them off the face of the earth they couldn’t. A regulated hunt won’t do any damage to their populations at all.

The poor moose population could use some help, too..

Netguy wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Bearcat89 wrote:</div>
I had my gun off my hip in .1 seconds, but wasn’t going to shoot unless they kept approaching.

You carry a gun while you are loading your truck to go fishing. Must be a rough neighborhood.

I carry a gun all day everyday.

The wolves are extremely thick around Aitkin.

DeRangedFishinguy wrote:

I look forward to the day when wolves freely roam the city suburbs. Only once some city folks start losing their pets will the Gov finally listen and see they need to be managed.

I would love to help speed up the process too, and live trap a few dozen of them and drop them off at all the local parks down in the burbs.

The wolf huggers tone will change rapidly once they start seeing mangled deer carcasses scattered all around their precious walking trails and a few Fido’s and Fluffy’s get torn to shreds.

I love living among them, and knowing they are here. Enjoy every encounter I have. But I have A LOT of encounters with wolves. They are doing just fine. A regulated hunt will do them more good than harm.

Just think, even when humans tried to wipe them off the face of the earth they couldn’t. A regulated hunt won’t do any damage to their populations at all.

The poor moose population could use some help, too..

Now, that’s a GREAT Idea, trap and Relocate to the Metro.

Part of the argument years ago when a judge ruled that they should still remain on the endangered species list was that wolves had not “re-established back into their historical traditional territory.”

Do people really think they are going to expand back to that point again? The habitat simply can’t support it. They’re not going to have a reproducing population much further south than they already are IMO.

Deer have almost disappeared on our land.

The last night of rifle season at last light I had a pack start howling behind me around a 100 yards I would assume. It was crazy loud and nothing like a coyote which I hear all the time.

Now about every few days I will get the pack on my trail camera. I have counted 6 at one time on cam. Quite entertaining to see my normal red fox fly by the camera and the wolves not far behind.

Here in ‘Sconi, I find it curious to see those who despise the DNR’s science and data when it comes to deer herd populations/seasons/CWD/baiting/harvest limits/etc, claiming the DNR to be nothing but idiots and/or only in it for the dollars-yet have the UTMOST FAITH in that same DNR when they announced next years wolf season…

Joe Jarl wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>carroll58 wrote:</div>
They denied it was Wolves and claimed that was Coyotes and asked where they photo’s came from, he didn’t answer. Just part of MnDNR Denial of facts.

I wonder if they’d have the same attitude if you shot one of those “Coyotes” making the tracks? I’ve heard the same thing about their response to mountain lion sightings. Every news story about sightings includes a comment from the DNR that it was just a transient animal and that there are no known resident lions in MN. I don’t get it.

Be thankful the DNR denies lions being more than transient.
If they ever admit a population they will be listed as endangered or protected species.
That would mean spending a lot of money on specialists and programs.

gim wrote:

Part of the argument years ago when a judge ruled that they should still remain on the endangered species list was that wolves had not “re-established back into their historical traditional territory.”

Do people really think they are going to expand back to that point again? The habitat simply can’t support it. They’re not going to have a reproducing population much further south than they already are IMO.

I don’t think wolves really work like that. I was under the assumption that wolves range spreads as their pack size expands beyond the carrying capacity.
More or less animals splitting from the pack and finding a new area.
There will always be more areas to carry wolves, the problem being not all areas will have a wild game population to feed the wolves.

Tom schmitt wrote:

I don’t think wolves really work like that.

Of course they don’t work like that. But a liberal judge that over turned the decision to remove them from the Endangered Species List in 2014 thinks it does.