Chemical found in fish in city’s lakes

  • kabbie55106
    Posts: 43
    #1338728

    Just found this Thought I would Post it.

    Story

    People who fish in the Minneapolis Chain of Lakes and parts of the Mississippi River should limit their consumption of what they catch, after a former 3M chemical was detected in fish tissue from those waterways.
    The Minnesota Department of Health issued the advisory this afternoon after finding the chemical, called perfluorooctane sulfonate (PFOS), in fish taken from those waters.

    The chemical has been a focus of concern after it contaminated drinking water in the east metro, and had previously been detected in the Mississippi River fish downstream of the 3M factory in Cottage Grove. State environmental officials don’t know how the chemical got into fish in Lake Calhoun.

    In a news release Monday, the Minnesota Department of Health “recommends that people who eat bluegill sunfish from Lake Calhoun and several connected lakes limit their consumption to one meal per month. Because bluegill are known to move between connected lakes, the advice is being extended to bluegill taken from any of the upper chain of lakes connected to Calhoun: Brownie, Cedar, Lake of the Isles and Harriet.”

    According to the health department, “A variety of health effects occur in laboratory animals exposed to high doses of PFOS… The most sensitive effects (i.e., effects observed at the lowest dose causing adverse effects) are decreased high-density lipoprotein (HDL or good cholesterol) and changes in thyroid hormone levels in some animals. Special cleaning and cooking precautions used to reduce contaminants like PCBs that concentrate in fat are not effective with PFOS.”

    The chemicals pose no threat to swimmers, because they’re poorly absorbed through the skin, and “incidental ingestion of surface water while swimming would not likely expose someone to significant doses,” the health department said.

    3M Co. has maintained that the levels of PFOS and related chemicals present in the environment have not been shown to be a health risk. For more information on the fish consumption advisory, go to http://www.health.state.mn.us/divs/eh/fish/index.html.

    Jack Naylor
    Apple Valley, MN
    Posts: 5668
    #561407

    Just saw this story on the 6pm Ch 5 News. they also included the Miss River along with those lakes you mentioned.
    Jack..

    kabbie55106
    Posts: 43
    #561420

    I just coppied and pasted the story from KSTP.

    eye_hunter
    Posts: 517
    #561634

    this is going to affect alot of people especially the asian and african american and latinos. i go there and they keep every fish they get. i hope this is not as serious as they say or else we will get alot of sick people.

    david_scott
    Twin Cities
    Posts: 2946
    #561682

    I am not very happy hearing of this

    There are many different sources it could have came from becuase the chemical was used in many different products. I wonder how many years this chemical has been an issue and hasnt been uncovered/discovered?

    I have fished these lakes for nearly 30 years.. it really hits close to home with me. When I was young, my family would frequently go to the lakes fishing and bring home a huge pile of panfish. I still keep a couple gamefish here and there for consumption from these lakes.

    So… where else is this chemical going to show up, or already exist that hasnt been discovered yet?? One of my main concerns is pesticides that it is used in… well, theres lots of mosquito factories that get treated every year around the greater metro(mostly birbs) becuase modern day folks dont like bugs in their cozy suburban home. Fish in the lakes, and the drinking water in may places may become an issue far more than we expect.

    Comments were made about specialty filters on faucets at home? Who are they trying to kid? Would that really make me more comfortable to drink the water at home?

    Im not the crazy tree-hugger guy… but all I know is some common practices in this world are going to have to change soon. I dont want my kids(or myself) to be killed by uncontrollable cholesterol from contaminants in our drinking water OR the fish we eat.. I would rather take my chances with west nile virus with the mosquitos.

    Im a bit more concerned than others are… I want my kids to have a chance to go out fishing, take a fish home, and eat it without the possibilites of long term health effects.

    mplspug
    Palmetto, Florida
    Posts: 25026
    #561767

    Dave, I believe most of the mosquito control is done biologically. They put some mosquito hormone I believe in those areas that prevents the larvae from becoming adults. web page NOt sure if that helps put your mind at ease a little, because that’s just metropolitan mosquito control. Who knows what cities and citizens are doing. There’s still all the crap we haven’t discovered yet too like you said.

    david_scott
    Twin Cities
    Posts: 2946
    #561796

    I was just an example pug. There all all kinds of places, including homes that use pesticides. 3M provides very effective products, I am sure they are widely used. I am also sure the competitors are unhealthy.

    fish-them-all
    Oakdale, MN
    Posts: 1189
    #562180

    That is bad news about fish consumption. I don’t fish those lakes, but I wonder what other lakes are being affected. Usually, meals of panfish are pretty harmless, so limiting people to once a month must mean the chemicals are heavily concentrated in the fish. I hope 3m has to clean up there mess even though it has already contaminated our lakes and drinking water.

    jon_jordan
    St. Paul, Mn
    Posts: 10908
    #562186

    Remember guys, there is ZERO scientific information that PFOS chemicals are harmful to humans. Until that fact changes, I’m not worried at all about it.

    -J.

    david_scott
    Twin Cities
    Posts: 2946
    #562520

    Quote:


    Remember guys, there is ZERO scientific information that PFOS chemicals are harmful to humans. Until that fact changes, I’m not worried at all about it.

    -J.


    Jon.. They show to be harmful to animals(not tested on humans) with reducing the good cholesterol(sp?) in the blood stream.

    They said what the effects were to animals, but they didnt say the level of the chemicals needed to create these effects. Odds are we might have to eat 30 raw sunfish a day for a few months to reach a level that might effect our body.

    I do know that just a tablespoon of Mercury in a 500 acre lake will set off their meters and a eating restiction will be imposed on the lake.

    I am waiting for more information myself. These contaminants are going to show up in other places over time(already at those places now most likely). I havent hit the panic button yet, but I am keeping my eyes open.

    jon_jordan
    St. Paul, Mn
    Posts: 10908
    #562523

    They do those studies all the time. If you give a rat too much of anything they get cancer and die.

    The study they don’t want you to know about is the one where they tested the guys who worked in the factories with this stuff for 30+ years and never found any problems. These guys 10 times the amount of pfoc in their systems than anyone could ever get from eating a fish. All of these guys are just fine!

    jon_jordan
    St. Paul, Mn
    Posts: 10908
    #562525

    Quote:


    I do know that just a tablespoon of Mercury in a 500 acre lake will set off their meters and a eating restiction will be imposed on the lake.


    I would still eat the fish from that lake. No worries.

    -J.

    jon_jordan
    St. Paul, Mn
    Posts: 10908
    #562526

    Quote:


    I am waiting for more information myself. These contaminants are going to show up in other places over time(already at those places now most likely). I havent hit the panic button yet, but I am keeping my eyes open.


    pfoc remain in the environment forever. They don’t degrade.

    -J.

    david_scott
    Twin Cities
    Posts: 2946
    #562613

    Quote:


    Quote:


    I do know that just a tablespoon of Mercury in a 500 acre lake will set off their meters and a eating restiction will be imposed on the lake.


    I would still eat the fish from that lake. No worries.

    -J.


    I agree 100% … and I said that to make the point that often times things are made out to be more than what they are.

    I wonder when all the media hype will start popping up over the chemicals we are eating from the food in the GROCERY STORE

    At least if I catch the fish, I know where its coming from, and what potential contaminants I could be ingesting in very small quantities. I dont even think I want o know what I am ingesting eating golden plump chicken

    Let me think about this further over the duration of this cigarette and cup of coffee made in city tap water

    fish-them-all
    Oakdale, MN
    Posts: 1189
    #562803

    Jon, I would be very interested to see the results of this study. I wonder how much pfc’s and pfos those workers have in their bodies. I was under the impression that the compounds were brought into the body through ingestion and not absorbed through the skin. Did the study mention the workers being tested for how much of the chemicals were in their bodies? Did they have trace amounts or noticeable amounts in their bodies? I agree with you, and I am not that worried. But, I am glad that that 3m paid for a filtering system for the city too just in case. There are many other things in the environment and lifesytle habits that will probably kill me first. It just sucks that now we have to deal with all the crap industry did to the environment many years ago.

    johnnycraw
    Posts: 1
    #562830

    Keep in mind a few facts when making a decision on these contaminants. These chemicals have been in the water supply in many areas since 3M used them in the 70’s and 80’s. State hydrologists just learned how to test for these contaminants in the last few years. I live in washington county and our review newspaper explained it pretty well. If you’ve been eating the fish and drinking the water in these areas in the last few 25 years and not getting sick, you’re not going to. The chemicals are weakening as the age. The production of these substances has been banned since Reagan was in office.

    Another important fact to keep in mind, MOST commercial/store bought fish, would not meet our DNR standards for PCB’s or Mercury. Our state has the highest standards for contaminants of any other in the union. Another case of our law makers over-governing our great state.

    Ease up. Eat fish. Just don’t eat it every day. That’s bad for fish populations.

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