Pelican Lake Report

  • derek_johnston
    On the water- Minnesota
    Posts: 5022
    #1339118

    Hit Pelican last friday with little success. We moved 10-15 times. All fish that we caught were tiny. We ran into the DNR at the landing and they were doing a creel survey. They told us the DNR put out 28 nets last fall caught 4600 bluegills and 1500 crappies. They asked if we were for or against it. I gave them a piece of my mind. I dont agree with destroying a great fishery for duck hunting. I was a hardcore duck hunter but this state only hold local birds. The DNR said they would attract ducks from the dakotas. How and the hell would they do that? Send out flyer’s to the ducks? The lake is going to hell very fast and its a shame. DNR still stands for Do Nothing Right

    ottomatica
    Lino Lakes, MN
    Posts: 1380
    #1044939

    Maybe we can drain Mille Lacs too…

    kooty
    Keymaster
    1 hour 15 mins to the Pond
    Posts: 18101
    #1044960

    Derek,

    When is the draining going to start? They have talking about this for many years, but I’ve yet to see the lake level go down any yet. Each spring the DNR nets roughly 20,000 gills + out of Pelican if I recall. Where they go, I have no clue.

    The poor lake has gotten pounded. Too close to the metro and no way of keeping the big fish bite quiet. There are still some decent fish to be found, but they are fewer and fewer each winter. I was hoping with the open water out there for most of the winter the fish would get a reprieve this year.

    derek_johnston
    On the water- Minnesota
    Posts: 5022
    #1044977

    They are restocking the fish in local ponds for kids fishing. It was my understanding they will drain it when all of the big fish are gone. The idea is to then drain it low enough to force a winter kill to kill off the rest of the fish. The DNR said Ducks Unlimited has over 100k invested in the project.

    fishthumper
    Sartell, MN.
    Posts: 11923
    #1044998

    The only thing that would swing the ducks back Minnesota’s way would be a prolonged drought in the Dakota’s for several years. It’s a shame they messed with this lake – It was a great fishery for many years

    super_do
    St Michael, MN
    Posts: 1089
    #1045023

    Quote:


    It was a great fishery for many years


    If they would have protected it with very strict limits, I could have seen keeping it a fishng lake. But just like every other lake in the state, they only take so much pressure. What’s one less fishing lake in the land of over 10,000 lakes?

    kooty
    Keymaster
    1 hour 15 mins to the Pond
    Posts: 18101
    #1045028

    I have no problem trying to re-establish Mn as duck country. However, until the drain tiling and plowing up fence lines quits, Mn will never again be top destination for any birds. Sadly eastern SD has started down this path also.

    Pig-hunter
    Southern Minnesota
    Posts: 600
    #1045038

    Agree. There is no sense in making a good fishing lake back into a duck slough. Look at it this way though. Once it is drained and winterkills, people will quit urine pummeling for the panfish. They will come back and be bigger than ever a few years after the first good kill then you will have it to yourself.

    Hunting4Walleyes
    MN
    Posts: 1552
    #1045071

    Quote:


    The DNR said they would attract ducks from the dakotas. How and the hell would they do that? Send out flyer’s to the ducks?


    There better be more incentive than one pothole in the middle of the state. The ducks are just going to throw out the flyer as we do with junk mail.

    Kooty is right. There is more involved than reclaiming a few lakes for waterfowl. There are many things that must happen to get duck to move back east. I don’t see this happening in my lifetime.

    fishthumper
    Sartell, MN.
    Posts: 11923
    #1045104

    Quote:


    Agree. There is no sense in making a good fishing lake back into a duck slough. Look at it this way though. Once it is drained and winterkills, people will quit urine pummeling for the panfish. They will come back and be bigger than ever a few years after the first good kill then you will have it to yourself.


    If they drain it to the levels they are talking about it will winter kill most every year

    derek_johnston
    On the water- Minnesota
    Posts: 5022
    #1045155

    Quote:


    If they drain it to the levels they are talking about it will winter kill most every year


    Thats exactly what the DNR said. And that’s their intention.

    gary_wellman
    South Metro
    Posts: 6057
    #1045662

    Being new to the community up here, I’ve heard both sides of the story. However, “according to my neighbor” who has lived up here for over 12 years, and is actively involved with the project, it is deeper than ducks/fish.

    Pelican is allegedly turning into somewhat of a “Devil’s Lake”. It is growing/grown and it is part of a water table problem in the general area. The water table in the general area is/has risen, primarily due to the massive urban sprawl of the area.

    For example, in my back yard, we have an approximate 2-acre pond, with minimal controlled drainage. Basically, a “hole” was dug to make a mosquito pond for “looks”.
    10 years ago, on a hard spring rain, the pond would raise 2 feet and drain the same day………naturally.
    Now, today, on a hard rain, the pond will raise 2-4 feet and not drain for 2-4 days, leaving my fire pit patio completely under water.
    All because the water table has risen.

    Pelican was not the lake that it is today, all because of urban sprawl has changed it. Therefore the DNR is concerned about the actual water table and wants to return it to the original state prior to suspected “man-made” changes.

    Is this fact? Don’t know. Just what my neighbor has informed me, who is apparently “in the know”.

    kooty
    Keymaster
    1 hour 15 mins to the Pond
    Posts: 18101
    #1045960

    If you get a chance Gary, please see where your neighbor is getting this info. Seems “fishy”.

    gary_wellman
    South Metro
    Posts: 6057
    #1046600

    Hey Kooty! I will. He’s “very active” in the sporting industry. I’ll see if I can get him to register and respond here about it. It is really interesting to hear the history of the area, as my other neighbor’s father owned all the farm land that my neighborhood sits on. It was all crop fields before the ponds/golf courses, etc.

    But in reality, population of the community in yr1980 was 2000 people, today it is approximately 24,000 people. It has doubled just in the past 10 years alone. “Apparently” the urban sprawl is part of the reason for the water table sustaining at higher levels and not rotating through it’s natural fluctuation of 945′-955′ elevation over the course of normal weather.
    Looking at historical data, the lake was at approximately 945′ elevation until the 1980s, then it rose to 955′ and has maintained. The intent (from what I understand) is to lower the lake to around 950′ elevation, primarily to control flooding, and to restore the “water quality”……….and to bring back the natural waterfowl “pitstop” that used to be here.

    To me, it is more interesting than anything, because of the rapid changes in the area. Like I also said, I’m extremely new to this side of the cities. While the population has exploded, there are still quite a few “old timers” around here that seem to have a fairly strong pull of what’s happening.

    Please, don’t beat me up over this, even if my information isn’t 100% accurate. I’m a 5-minute expert on the subject and understand the sensitivity of it between the ducks and bluegills.

    And, when you hit the “local watering hole”, there are now 3 subjects you don’t bring up: Religion, Politics, and PELICAN LAKE!

    kooty
    Keymaster
    1 hour 15 mins to the Pond
    Posts: 18101
    #1046691

    Thanks man! You want touch off the locals, talk about putting an exit in by the outlet malls.

    AllenW
    Mpls, MN
    Posts: 2895
    #1048571

    I wonder if the heavy fishing pressure stems from the drainning issue and people trying to get in before it’s gone?
    Maybe had the drainning not happened, there might be far less traffic on the lake?

    I suppose musky inc will now stock the lake this spring huh?

    Don’t most of the kiddie ponds freeze out?
    Wouldn’t be better to stock lakes that don’t then?

    Al

    Michael Moy
    S.W. Wright Co. Mn.
    Posts: 31
    #1050634

    Kooty, I have a map that shows the water level of Pelican lake at two different time periods and there is quite a difference. If people do not believe the lake is holding more water than historical,can someone explain why trees grew in that lake at one time but not in other lakes?

    kooty
    Keymaster
    1 hour 15 mins to the Pond
    Posts: 18101
    #1051752

    I have no doubt it’s holding more water. What I’m skeptical of is the water table rising due to urban development.

    KristanM
    Posts: 2
    #1054001

    Quote:


    Hit Pelican last friday with little success. We moved 10-15 times. All fish that we caught were tiny. We ran into the DNR at the landing and they were doing a creel survey. They told us the DNR put out 28 nets last fall caught 4600 bluegills and 1500 crappies. They asked if we were for or against it. I gave them a piece of my mind. I dont agree with destroying a great fishery for duck hunting. I was a hardcore duck hunter but this state only hold local birds. The DNR said they would attract ducks from the dakotas. How and the hell would they do that? Send out flyer’s to the ducks? The lake is going to hell very fast and its a shame. DNR still stands for Do Nothing Right


    If you talked with someone out on Pelican doing a creel survey this year, it would have been me. I would have told you that the DNR netted panfish out of Pelican back in 2008 and 2009, and that they stopped because the anglers got up in arms about it.

    I would have understood your opposition to the lowering of the water levels, and I would not have claimed that the habitat project would attract ducks from the Dakotas. I am not a waterfowl expert.

    If you think this habitat project is bogus, that’s fine by me, but please do not misrepresent the work that I do and the things that I say to people.

    kooty
    Keymaster
    1 hour 15 mins to the Pond
    Posts: 18101
    #1054131

    Thanks for the info Kristan!!

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