Will we ever stop wearing masks?

CaptainMusky wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>brad-o wrote:</div>
Man O Man. I would hate if I was Monday morning quarterbacked at my job by people who have never done it! I am glade that I work in a trade that doesn’t continually evolve by the day(rather over years and years). Have mistakes been made yes. Wear a mask or don’t I don’t care. Just don’t think you know more than someone who is an expert. I don’t critique the linesman that’s using a pole to put in a fuse!

the problem is those that are driving all these decisions are not owning up to any mistakes. We have 14 months worth of data that proves otherwise yet they continue down their path. They don’t answer questions as in when is it safe to open etc etc.

Funny. No matter how often they’re wrong, no matter how often they lie… People keep them relavant. Apparently they’re like the weatherman. It doesn’t matter how often they’re wrong, they still have a job!

I listened to Dr fraud the first time he spoke and had a funny feeling about that nut. He knows nothing more than any Joe blow on the street corner and he’s proved it multiple times.

For all of you who think that it is that tough to do your
part to save a life or two….if you or any of your family
members get Covid…please stay home. Do Not go to the doctors
office or hospital and hope for help. Die at home or in your
fish house. I have a number of fiends and relatives that work
in the medical field. Don’t bring your fake covid cough and
jammed up lungs and seek help. I don’t want my friends
and family dying from Your make believe disease.

jime wrote:

For all of you who think that it is that tough to do your
part to save a life or two….if you or any of your family
members get Covid…please stay home. Do Not go to the doctors
office or hospital and hope for help. Die at home or in your
fish house. I have a number of fiends and relatives that work
in the medical field. Don’t bring your fake covid cough and
jammed up lungs and seek help. I don’t want my friends
and family dying from Your make believe disease.

by the sound of it you and your friends, family are probably all vaccinated so whats there to worry about?

jime wrote:

For all of you who think that it is that tough to do your
part to save a life or two….if you or any of your family
members get Covid…please stay home. Do Not go to the doctors
office or hospital and hope for help. Die at home or in your
fish house. I have a number of fiends and relatives that work
in the medical field. Don’t bring your fake covid cough and
jammed up lungs and seek help. I don’t want my friends
and family dying from Your make believe disease.

Well then you should stay in your house and never do anything because if you do there is a risk you could endangering someone else’s life. I had to go to work threw the pandemic as many others had to do america could keep moving on. So I guess I should thank all that stayed home so I could risk my life. Hopefully you got your groceries.

I even wear a mask while driving, even if I’m alone in the vehicle. I can’t risk anyone not seeing how much I care about beating COVID.

supercat wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>jime wrote:</div>
For all of you who think that it is that tough to do your
part to save a life or two….if you or any of your family
members get Covid…please stay home. Do Not go to the doctors
office or hospital and hope for help. Die at home or in your
fish house. I have a number of fiends and relatives that work
in the medical field. Don’t bring your fake covid cough and
jammed up lungs and seek help. I don’t want my friends
and family dying from Your make believe disease.

Well then you should stay in your house and never do anything because if you do there is a risk you could endangering someone else’s life. I had to go to work threw the pandemic as many others had to do america could keep moving on. So I guess I should thank all that stayed home so I could risk my life. Hopefully you got your groceries.

Same boat. I find that guys thought process is insane lol. Hope he’s still hiding inside because the world is terrifying. I have a hard time understanding these thought processes.
I worked the entire pandemic in and out of public building and doctors offices. Seems like I have to be in them to keep them up and running. The idea of hoping harm on others is dumber then dumb. Just because they question a brand new injection that as watching j&j having tons of issues

jime wrote:

For all of you who think that it is that tough to do your
part to save a life or two….if you or any of your family
members get Covid…please stay home. Do Not go to the doctors
office or hospital and hope for help. Die at home or in your
fish house. I have a number of fiends and relatives that work
in the medical field. Don’t bring your fake covid cough and
jammed up lungs and seek help. I don’t want my friends
and family dying from Your make believe disease.

And there it is!!! If you don’t believe its the the government’s place or right to implement mandates and restrictions then it must mean that you believe that COVID is fake. Try reading something Dude. Something from legitimate sources. Try having a mind of your own. Man, I feel for your children, always relying on someone else to make choices and decisions.

just because life starts at conception must mean you don’t care about women or their health….. unbelievable!

rjthehunter wrote:

Funny. No matter how often they’re wrong, no matter how often they lie… People keep them relavant. Apparently they’re like the weatherman. It doesn’t matter how often they’re wrong, they still have a job!

I listened to Dr fraud the first time he spoke and had a funny feeling about that nut. He knows nothing more than any Joe blow on the street corner and he’s proved it multiple times.

I asked it earlier here and knew I wouldnt get a response because I wouldnt expect anyone here to know, but when we have the single person who has been given the reigns not defining when it is safe to “re-open” or explain why states without mandates are doing “better” than those with mandates we should be really concerned about the rhetoric.

Dr. Fauci was asked why Texas, with no statewide restrictions, hasn’t yet seen a surge this spring, unlike other states.

His answer? It’s not the mandates that matter, it’s behavior. And Texans are simply behaving better than people in Michigan.

Just watch. It’s astounding. pic.twitter.com/g8a35eU1K2

— Genève Campbell (@bergerbell) April 21, 2021

Maybe Miguel Sano should replace Fauci, he sure can flatten a curve!

Whether you care or dont care for Anthony Fauci, realize that he has been at NIH for like 40 years, working under both Republican and Democratic administrations. He is a career scientist and probably knows more than all of us combined on this. If he and other career health professionals recommend I wear a mask indoors around others or take the vaccine, I do it because I trust them. I work with similar career public health experts at my agency and I know their work is impeccable. Politicians are not health experts.

As for the Johnson & Johnson vaccine, there have been 6 blood clot issues out of about 8 million doses administered. The math is almost incalculable on it. There have been a lot more people with blood clots from covid than a vaccine. My neighbor is one of them. He suffered a stroke from a blood clot after contracting covid in December and now has no use of his right arm. I’m not trying to scare anyone or argue, I’m simply telling you his experience. The benefits outweigh the risk.

gimruis wrote:

Whether you care or dont care for Anthony Fauci, realize that he has been at NIH for like 40 years, working under both Republican and Democratic administrations. He is a career scientist and probably knows more than all of us combined on this. If he and other career health professionals recommend I wear a mask indoors around others or take the vaccine, I do it because I trust them. I work with similar career public health experts at my agency and I know their work is impeccable. Politicians are not health

I have to disagree. Fauci is a politician with a background in health science. He hasn’t seen or cared for a patient in 40 years. He’s changed his mind and changed the story so many times it’s almost laughable if it wasn’t so sad. Also he can’t/ won’t answer simple questions about what an acceptable number of infections is to relax restrictions. He’s a political puppet and he’s proven that many times in my opinion over the last year.

gimruis wrote:

Anthony Fauci, realize that he has been at NIH for like 40 years

That’s the problem Fauci and Osterholm have been so ingrained in the bureaucracy of their roles, their goal is expanding their influence and funding, not on the facts and science. There’s plenty of evidence and data now of masked states vs non-masked to draw some conclusions, but instead of actually “following the science” as they like to say, they advise based on the most politically beneficial. I can give any pro-masker a ton of data and statistics showing there is no tangible difference from masking or not, but they are committed to it like it’s religion. And there’s no arguing with someone’s religion. FWIW I still wear my mask wherever it’s required, as I’d rather not argue or get yelled at.

BigWerm wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>gimruis wrote:</div>
Anthony Fauci, realize that he has been at NIH for like 40 years

That’s the problem Fauci and Osterholm have been so ingrained in the bureaucracy of their roles, their goal is expanding their influence and funding, not on the facts and science. There’s plenty of evidence and data now of masked states vs non-masked to draw some conclusions, but instead of actually “following the science” as they like to say, they advise based on the most politically beneficial. I can give any pro-masker a ton of data and statistics showing there is no tangible difference from masking or not, but they are committed to it like it’s religion. And there’s no arguing with someone’s religion. FWIW I still wear my mask wherever it’s required, as I’d rather not argue or get yelled at.

AS an employee in public education I do what our district policies tell us.
You are spot on with Fauci and Osterholm – more medical knowledge than me no doubt – but political puppets at this stage. They change opinions more than the politicians they serve.

gimruis wrote:

Whether you care or dont care for Anthony Fauci, realize that he has been at NIH for like 40 years, working under both Republican and Democratic administrations. He is a career scientist and probably knows more than all of us combined on this. If he and other career health professionals recommend I wear a mask indoors around others or take the vaccine, I do it because I trust them. I work with similar career public health experts at my agency and I know their work is impeccable. Politicians are not health experts.

gimruis – As much as we normally agree on most things, We will have to agree to disagree on this one. For the # of years as Dr. Fauci has worked for the Government he is no longer a True practicing Dr. or Scientist. He is just a puppet for the Government he works for. He is going to tell the people what the government he works for wants him to tell you.
As far as trusting Fauci or the Government on this vaccination goes – I guess only time will tell if that was a smart idea or not. If you and most of the General population knew the # of medicines and vaccines that had Great results at the 6 month, 1 year, and even 3 year study results. That were never approved for use due to the overall results at the end of the 5 year study. If you carefully read the information they give you when you get the vaccination they make it REALLY clear that this vaccination was approved for emergency use only and did not follow normal FDA testing guidelines. They must have said it 4-5 times in the information that was provided with my vaccination.

I now see other said the same as me but much faster !!!

gimruis wrote:

Whether you care or dont care for Anthony Fauci, realize that he has been at NIH for like 40 years, working under both Republican and Democratic administrations. He is a career scientist and probably knows more than all of us combined on this. If he and other career health professionals recommend I wear a mask indoors around others or take the vaccine, I do it because I trust them. I work with similar career public health experts at my agency and I know their work is impeccable. Politicians are not health experts.

I think you need to look past there titles and question more steps in life. Don’t eat all the cereal just because they poured it. I completely agree with the guys underneath your comments and disagree with your stance.
Politics need to be questioned at all times. This health care expert is nothing more then a political puppet to who ever pays

I am the same as you guys. Even though I believe the masks most of us are wearing are ineffective, I still wear them. In fact, Fauci claims that states with mandates are doing poorly to mitigate risk, I find that hilariously incorrect. When I go into a store I would estimate over 90% of the people are wearing masks, mid 90’s most likely. He has not one shred of evidence to back up that statement at all.
His “science” is feelings. He never states any specific research done, statistics to back it up, etc.
He is a fraud. An intelligent one, but a fraud just like almost all the other politicians. Have people forgotten the ability to critically think and research now? The science is out there and Fauci is having no part of it.

grubson wrote:

I have to disagree. Fauci is a politician with a background in health science. He hasn’t seen or cared for a patient in 40 years. He’s changed his mind and changed the story so many times it’s almost laughable if it wasn’t so sad. Also he can’t/ won’t answer simple questions about what an acceptable number of infections is to relax restrictions. He’s a political puppet and he’s proven that many times in my opinion over the last year.

That’s fair. He is technically a federal employee, not a politician. He’s also not appointed by a politician. He may be considered a political puppet by some, at least in terms of accurate terminology. Calling him a fraud has no merit solely based on his credentials though. That would be like calling Kevin Van Dam a fraud at bass fishing or Michael Jordan a fraud at basketball.

Fishthumper, you are correct. Vaccine use is EUA only at this point. Some would argue that a global pandemic is an emergency but for technical terms your point is accurate.

Lastly, to all of you guys and gals that have kept working in the field during this entire event, whether that be in health care or construction or another essential trade, thank you. There is risk and our economy has benefited from your service.

Here’s some pertinent data on masks.

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I love those BigWerm, you are following some of the same people I do on twitter!
I have been trying to find the overlay of the entire US week by week, but having a hard time.
This one is interesting because they are geographically and population similar
but not all of the states did lockdowns yet they look identical.

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Trust your doctor ? Remember when they couldn’t prescribe Hydroxychloroquine to you ? Meh

jime wrote:

For all of you who think that it is that tough to do your
part to save a life or two….if you or any of your family
members get Covid…please stay home. Do Not go to the doctors
office or hospital and hope for help. Die at home or in your
fish house. I have a number of fiends and relatives that work
in the medical field. Don’t bring your fake covid cough and
jammed up lungs and seek help. I don’t want my friends
and family dying from Your make believe disease.

You sound vaccinated. You have nothing to worry about right? Just keep going back to get your flu shot and I’ll let my immune system keep me safe. I have friends and relatives in the medical field too. They don’t want the vaccine, they don’t want to wear masks…

Vaccines take 10-12 years to create effective ones. Magically now they’ve created one in less than a year that’s completely safe and effective?

I’ve continued working throughout the “pandemic” because not everyone can sit at home and be afraid. Pull yourself up by the bootstraps and get back on the saddle. Life isn’t stopping because you have a .001% chance of dying from a disease. Walk through Chicago. Bet your odds of dying are a lot higher there.

Maybe you have full trust in the government. But I don’t. Hell look what they did to gas cans.

Here’s some MN centric #’s from that CDC/MDH numbers compiled on that same Twitter feed CaptainMusky:
MN Covid Data: Wonder what your covid risk is?

We’ve tracked a half million people inside & outside long term care.

No models… real data from CDC & MDH…

Survival rate outside long term care ~ 99.88%
Under age 60 ~ 99.98%
Children ~ 99.999%
Overall ~ 99.68%

Find your age below

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On the lighter side have you all seen the new Sam Adams commecial your cousin from Boston go’s and get his shot. It’s a good one.

Hope this works.

BigWerm wrote:

Here’s some MN centric #’s from that CDC/MDH numbers compiled on that same Twitter feed CaptainMusky:
MN Covid Data: Wonder what your covid risk is?

We’ve tracked a half million people inside & outside long term care.

No models… real data from CDC & MDH…

Survival rate outside long term care ~ 99.88%
Under age 60 ~ 99.98%
Children ~ 99.999%
Overall ~ 99.68%

Find your age below

who are you following on twitter to get this information?

crappie55369 wrote:

who are you following on twitter to get this information?

@ianmSC and @covid_clarity they are both data analysts and pull #’s straight from CDC, MDH, WHO etc. Early on I was skeptical of them, and would verify the #’s myself and they all checked out so I haven’t double checked for a while.

BigWerm wrote:

@ianmSC and @covid_clarity they are both data analysts and pull #’s straight from CDC, MDH, WHO etc. Early on I was skeptical of them, and would verify the #’s myself and they all checked out so I haven’t double checked for a while.

Yep, two great ones. I also follow @mndata – gives historical information about positive cases, deaths and hospital data.
I follow a bunch Nationally and Internationally too that really help bring perspective from other places.
@ruminatordan
@ethicalskeptic
@kylelamb

There are probably a ton more, but those are the ones I see the most info from.

Have you guys watched Doctor Pierre Kory. This is a doctor hired at the start of all this. He is part of a team of doctors from around the world that are all creditable doctors. Their job was to explore drugs that already have FDA approval in hopes to fight covid. He talks about Ivermectin. He was instantly tagged as an anti vaccine doctor and many left wing media sources discredited him. He is not an anti vaccine doctor and was very passionate talking to senate about the behavior he received from the FDA. He is worth listening to. There are many doctors that talk about the importance of vitamin D as well and how we should be recommending this to people along with a health diet to give you a better chance at fighting this virus. I dont believe any of these above are miracle drugs but should be talked about. Ivermectin is being used heavily in India and other countries. One of the safest drugs use around the world and is cheap. But here in the US “THEY” just want to depend on this MRNA shot.

Dr Fauci was asked specifically about the importance of vitamin D. He said yes, its very important to take D supplement and that he takes 10000 IU daily. Yet he has not make a public statement about vitamin D and has discredited any pre existing drugs from what I have heard him say. Maybe I am wrong?? I hope I am but I have yet to hear that guy keep any story straight. He totally lost me when he started recommending two mask???

Forgot where I read about the US airlines mask requirements. Because of heavy lobbying, airlines are excluded and are not required to trace passengers positive test results. We really know nothing about the transfer of the virus to other masked passengers. The article went on to describe how Canada does require tracking of positive passengers. It’s like 33% of the flight’s come in from the US. Out of those flights, it was pretty astonishing the amount of at least one passenger testing positive from another passenger. I’ll try to find a link to that article, wondering if anyone else read it.

Again….very untrue….this is a new Virus we have not dealt with that changes itself as we go along. Scientists have done an amazing job with the vaccinations and ability to use new technology. Dr. Fauci is a knowledgeable spokesperson for the guidelines put out by the CDC. It is fantastic that our current President is allowing the experts to deal with the virus.

BigWerm wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>crappie55369 wrote:</div>
who are you following on twitter to get this information?

@ianmSC and @covid_clarity they are both data analysts and pull #’s straight from CDC, MDH, WHO etc. Early on I was skeptical of them, and would verify the #’s myself and they all checked out so I haven’t double checked for a while.

If it isn’t on the big news channels I don’t believe it.