Why no chatter on the one fish slot on ML

  • tomr
    cottage grove, mn
    Posts: 1289
    #1519848

    We can agree to disagree. Over the years the lake has supported a walleye harvest that was higher than the courts currently allow. What is the difference between then and now? When fisherman took the walleye out they first allowed the walleyes to spawn because fishing was closed during that time frame. Now it is being netted during the spawn and the lake crashed. Attempts by the DNR to offset the damage caused by the netting through reduced limits and slots has failed. People are only pointing out that the DNR refuses to publicly talk about the netting as a problem and putting it on the table for all to discuss as we are here. Some of your points are probably contributing to the problem but until the netting is stopped during the spawn I do not feel optimistic about my favorite body of water.

    Bass Pundit
    8m S. of Platte/Sullivan Lakes, Minnesocold
    Posts: 1870
    #1519850

    The “they” you could have been referring to: a) The creel survey personnel whom presumably accurately report what

    b) The fishermen who very well may lie to creel survey personnel.

    c) The access site’s owner, presumably a resort/ ice fishing operation reporting how many people went out of their access.

    I’m not sure what the point you were trying to make with any of those answers.

    big_g
    Isle, MN
    Posts: 22538
    #1519879

    your right Dave, it is all a big conspiracy… the lake is full of walleyes ready to be netted…. crazy (you must just like arguing…like me) devil

    FWIW, every launch trip I am on, the captain logs EVERY fish caught…. where does this info go ? Not sure, maybe he tells the DNR he didn’t have anything to report that season… just like the natives do not throw huge piles of guts and whole northerns and muskies on private property on their way back to Wisconsin.

    Dutchboy
    Central Mn.
    Posts: 16788
    #1519901

    Please list all the lakes in the lower 48 states where gill netting is allowed during the spawn.

    I’ll wait for the answer. coffee

    Did you get your answers from Steve? If you really want to know about Mille Lacs he is your go to guy & I’m sure he would be willing to discuss it. However if you just want to dance we can do that also.

    Answer these and I’ll continue with this, otherwise I’ll assume your motive is to kill the thread which is the currant strategy for some pro DNR guys. I’m sorry, I was willing to do this only as long as I thought you really cared about the issue.

    chomps
    Sioux City IA
    Posts: 3974
    #1519926

    If the DNR dictates what sized walleyes us white folk are allowed to keep (which happens to be the exact sized fish preferred by gill nets) and this same slot continues to be hammered year after year what are the odds that several year classes continue to supply YOY walleyes?

    Pig-hunter
    Southern Minnesota
    Posts: 600
    #1520089

    What about the perch collapse? To me, ever since this lake has not hosted a good population of perch, it has had problems.

    Used to be you could catch all kinds of jumbos, now, they are rare at best.

    I also don’t think its all the nets either. It is more the fact, nets or not, that the DNR has had people pummel on the 14-20 inch or so fish for 10 years straight. Even without nets, those guys would have been fished down, the lake is just too close to the metro and gets(or used to anyway), tons of pressure. Happened on Leech too and it is likely repeating the same process on Winnie currently. Neither is netted very hard.

    No perch in the lake = suicide ding dong bite = tons of fish yanked from the lake and tons of them that die when everyone and their brother can whack 50 a day.

    What caused the perch crash? It’s been a crap perch fishery since probably the early 2000s when it used to be one of the best places to go and catch jumbos.

    Dutchboy
    Central Mn.
    Posts: 16788
    #1520105

    It’s been said over and over again that the nets are not the only problem. We know that there are more problems contributing, however until the spring spawn is allowed I don’t think the rest matter as much.

    From what I heard the Perch population was better last year? Is that because there is less Walleye to eat them or is there another reason? I don’t know. Jumbo’s I don’t know, Tullipie I don’t know.

    It’s a big deal that there won’t be as many pounds of spawners netted this spring. We should all take that as a positive sign!

    Stay out of their Casinos, stay away from their businesses, keep the pressure on your representatives & the DNR, that’s about all we can do. bawling

    dalet
    Posts: 17
    #1520218

    I don’t let myself get into these discussions, but I have read enough on this one. Dave if nets don’t make a difference their is one thing I can tell you for sure and that is when I go fishing with all kinds of electronics and such and one pole and hook I may catch fish and may not, and that is true of the guides and such. I fish the lake regularly and maybe once in a while will take fish home for a meal, just to keep a limit because its legal is not a sportsman or interested in conservation but strictly meat as by your own statement. The one thing I can guarantee you is if I put out 50 ft. of net I will catch just about anything and everything in the area. Make a difference you decide!!!!

    Tom Anderson
    Kasson, MN
    Posts: 138
    #1520298

    the only fishermen who haven’t given up on Mille Lacs are the Musky and Smallie guys … and they don’t care about possessing more than one (trophy) fish

    That’s right the musky and smallie guys had not given up on the lake. So the walleye population is the lowest it has ever been but it is an unbelievable trophy smallie and musky lake so instead of promoting that the DNR increases the bass limit and opens the lake up to spearing. How many 50″+ muskies do you think died by spear this winter? Now the lake has a poor walleye population, decreasing trophy smallie population and a decreasing musky population. It’s getting to be very hard not to give up on this lake.

    Mocha
    Park Rapids
    Posts: 1452
    #1520399

    Dave Maas, do you wear a special cap or hat to keep the sand out of your eyes,ears & mouth? Thats the only thing I can figure out why you are in such support for the indians and the DNR. It is more than obvious what has caused the problems but you are very good and keeping the thread going. I give you that!

    kooty
    Keymaster
    1 hour 15 mins to the Pond
    Posts: 18101
    #1520429

    Have the final quotas been determined, I mean % of quotas. I can’t find a definitive answer to how much the natives are taking this year.

    Dutchboy
    Central Mn.
    Posts: 16788
    #1520439

    This was posted on another site, I don’t think anything is final yet.

    Lowest allowable harvest in history…40,000lbs. 84% decline since 2013
    Probably will end up catch & release.
    Night ban all season
    Restrict the use of Leeches & crawlers
    2 fish bag down to one.

    These are what’s being proposed right now.

    Doug Smith, Star Tribune, Feb. 28, 15

    captddh
    Cannon Falls, MN
    Posts: 534
    #1520445

    Surveys and fish reports indicate that good year classes are coming. All will be forgotten when the fish bite in a year or two :).

    Dutchboy
    Central Mn.
    Posts: 16788
    #1520447

    Surveys and fish reports indicate that good year classes are coming. All will be forgotten when the fish bite in a year or two :).

    It might be forgotten by the weekend warriors, but the people who live and try to make a living on the lake likely aren’t forgetting anything.

    belletaine
    Nevis, MN
    Posts: 5116
    #1520451

    Restrict the use of Leeches & crawlers

    The impact on the local economy broadens…

    big_g
    Isle, MN
    Posts: 22538
    #1520454

    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>captddh wrote:</div>
    Surveys and fish reports indicate that good year classes are coming. All will be forgotten when the fish bite in a year or two :).

    It might be forgotten by the weekend warriors, but the people who live and try to make a living on the lake likely aren’t forgetting anything.

    and if nothing changes in the management of the lake… guess what ?

    If the poundage is 40,000, The bands’ share is 11,400 pounds, and the state’s share is 28,600 pounds.

    belletaine
    Nevis, MN
    Posts: 5116
    #1520463

    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>captddh wrote:</div>
    Surveys and fish reports indicate that good year classes are coming. All will be forgotten when the fish bite in a year or two :).

    It might be forgotten by the weekend warriors, but the people who live and try to make a living on the lake likely aren’t forgetting anything.

    Some business owners might not have two years of financial where with all left in the tank.

    Jon Jordan
    Keymaster
    St. Paul, Mn
    Posts: 6047
    #1520468

    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>captddh wrote:</div>
    Surveys and fish reports indicate that good year classes are coming. All will be forgotten when the fish bite in a year or two :).

    It might be forgotten by the weekend warriors, but the people who live and try to make a living on the lake likely aren’t forgetting anything.

    Historically since the court mandated “Safe Harvest Levels” have been set, slots have been set to manage a poundage of harvest. The slots are not set and managed to do what is right for the lake. Basically tossing darts to find a number that kept everyone happy. That is the root cause of how we got to where we are today, We have had many great year classes come through only to have the DNR set a slot that basically wipes out an enter class of fish. If the DNR does not recognize this failure, they will repeat it again and again.

    Get rid of court mandated safe harvest levels, ban the nets and manage the lake without regard to politics is the only long term fix for this mess.

    -J.

    Buzz
    Minneapolis MN
    Posts: 1814
    #1520511

    I’m curious about who is on the Mille Lac walleye committee that seems to be making these decisions about slots, bag limits, etc. Seems to me it is more then just a few DNR guys? I keep hearing about the decisions that get made in this committee.

    WinnebagoViking
    Inactive
    Posts: 420
    #1520533

    There is no such thing as managing a public resource without regard to politics. The value & policy questions…”what, why, and for whom” questions are ALL inherently political questions — you can’t make them disappear.

    Once those questions are answered, science is employed to answer the factual questions…the ‘how’ questions; as in “how do we achieve the goals for management established by political means?”.

    Many of the folks stating they “don’t want the lake managed politically” are really just saying they don’t like the current answers to the “what, why, and for whom” and are cloaking that in the ‘how’.

    Dutchboy
    Central Mn.
    Posts: 16788
    #1520550

    I’m curious about who is on the Mille Lac walleye committee that seems to be making these decisions about slots, bag limits, etc. Seems to me it is more then just a few DNR guys? I keep hearing about the decisions that get made in this committee.

    Millacs input commitee is who you likely are thinking of. You would need to talk to Fellegy on that. I don’t know how much input they have has recently. If he can’t answer your question try Bob Carlson (bobber)

    big_g
    Isle, MN
    Posts: 22538
    #1520613

    no “decisions” are ever made in these committee meetings… they hear input and ignore it, at least they have been for years. The slot is strictly a DNR decision as is limits and quotas.

    Buzz
    Minneapolis MN
    Posts: 1814
    #1520615

    G, are you on this committee? Who are the other members?

    Joe
    Posts: 29
    #1520619

    My two cents here, will probably get rung for it. The lake is down- badly, and for a number of reasons. it’s not just our harvest #’s. zebra mussels & forage play a role. Well the dinky perch are back and tulibees are still being had. so the food is there. With the decrease in pike numbers soon to come (which I’m for) should help a bit.

    The DNR has played with the slot quite a bit, which I’m for. 2 18-20″ fish is more than a enough for a meal for 2 people. I don’t and never did fish Mille Lacs to get my limit. It’s about the shot at catching multiple trophy class fish. If i can drive 1.5 hours north to catch 5 fish over 24″s I’m sold. Now if it goes to 1 fish limit, 19-21″, that’s still some serious meat.

    Now to my question- this will be the 2nd year of a very limited slot. Once the surveys are completed this year and results are shown, how about implement no netting for the year, maybe two and sample the results. This lake will be the best in MN again, but it won’t happen soon. By not allowing netting during the spawn for 1-2 years and showing the results. Whether it has a direct impact or not, will put the fisherman at peace. People argue that the netting is the cause, well the DNR should prove it isn’t. I think that’d be fantastic.

    Am I dreaming? Probably.

    Dutchboy
    Central Mn.
    Posts: 16788
    #1520624

    Joe if you can get 2 years of no netting on Mille Lacs you can run for Governor. Remember, GLIFWC would need to sign off on that and from what I understand Mauer would hit 50 homeruns and the Vikings would win the Super Bowl in the same year before that ever happens.

    Again there are several reasons for Mille Lacs Walleye being down, nobody including the DNR dispute that. The difference is the DNR is the only one’s who don’t believe the nets are hurting the lake. Sadly, at this point their opinion is the only one that matters.

    Keep hammering away, support the Mille Lacs businesses, boycott the tribal Casino’s and businesses. Today it’s all we can do. cry

    Dutchboy
    Central Mn.
    Posts: 16788
    #1520636

    This is old news (from last year) but many here may find it interesting. Note that the meetings regarding the welfare of Mille Lacs Lake ARE CLOSED TO THE PUBLIC.

    LEGISLATIVE UPDATE
    News from Representative Erickson 03-14-2014
    Dear Friends,

    I wanted to share with you a letter I sent recently to our local papers. My bill, HF42, was pulled from a scheduled hearing in the Environment & Natural Resources Committee that would have subjected meetings about the 1837 treaty rights between the DNR, Ojibwe Tribes, and other stakeholders to the state’s open meetings law, just like countless other state and local government meetings around the state.

    Lake Mille Lacs issues are critically important to our district, and I think it’s reasonable to expect that these meetings take place in the public eye and not behind closed doors. I encourage you to contact DFL leaders and encourage them to hear this bill, and allow it to move forward so we can continue Minnesota’s proud tradition of open and transparent good government.

    Speaker Paul Thissen
    651-296-5375
    [email protected]

    Majority Leader Erin Murphy
    651-296-5507
    [email protected]

    Environment and Natural Resources Chair David Dill
    651-296-2190
    [email protected]

    The letter is attached below.

    —–

    Public deserves access, input on Lake Mille Lacs issues
    Rep. Sondra Erickson, District 15A
    Apparently the DFL does not care about the future of Lake Mille Lacs or openness in government negotiations because on March 10th DFL leaders pulled HF42, a bill that required technical meetings between the Minnesota Department of Natural Resources, Ojibwe bands and the Great Lake Indian Fish and Wildlife Commission be subject to the state’s open meeting law.

    DFL leadership took the bill off the schedule just 24 hours before it was to be heard in the Environment and Natural Resources Committee. This was disrespectful to the testifiers from the Lake Mille Lacs area who had made arrangements to come to St. Paul to speak in favor of the bill. In addition, the bill was pulled without any objection from DFLer Rep. Joe Radinovich who represents half of the lake with me. Where is his concern about honoring the open meeting law of our state?

    HF42 would apply the state’s open meeting law to certain treaty-related meetings involving the Department of Natural Resources, Ojibwe Bands, and the Great Lakes Indian Fish and Wildlife Commission regarding 1837 treaty rights. The bill would also require that up to five members of the Mille Lacs Fishery Input Group be allowed to attend these meetings.

    Thousands of people in our community rely on Lake Mille Lacs and are impacted by decisions made by these stakeholders, and I believe they should have access to the meetings that decide many important Lake Mille Lacs issues; thus the meetings should be open and transparent.

    It’s important that meetings involving the 1837 treaty take place with public input in an open, transparent process rather than behind closed doors. It’s not unreasonable to expect that these meetings involving the DNR and other groups be subject to the same open meetings law we as legislators, as well as dozens of other state and local officials across Minnesota, are subject to under Minnesota law.

    Minnesotans is a state that prides itself on civic involvement and good government. This is a common sense piece of legislation that would make Lake Mille Lacs issues more open to the citizens who live near Lake Mille Lacs and are impacted by critical decisions made by the DNR, Ojibwe Bands, and other stakeholders, and ensure that decisions aren’t being made out of the public eye.

    I urge you to contact Speaker Paul Thissen (651-296-5375, [email protected]) Majority Leader Erin Murphy (651-296-5507, [email protected]), and Environment and Natural Resources Chair David Dill (651-296-2190, [email protected]), and ask them to do the right thing by hearing this bill and allow it to move through the process so we can continue Minnesota’s proud tradition of open and transparent government.

    While Sondra lights up the DFL it doesn’t matter the party affiliation. This is bad and is closed government at it’s finest. Buzz, if you are looking for another “cause” this would be a good place to start.

    belletaine
    Nevis, MN
    Posts: 5116
    #1520640

    Note that the meetings regarding the welfare of Mille Lacs Lake ARE CLOSED TO THE PUBLIC.

    I don’t understand how they can get away with that. From a DNR standpoint this has to be the biggest cluster f
    in the states history.

    Dutchboy
    Central Mn.
    Posts: 16788
    #1520644

    It just helps to explain the lack of trust people have with the DNR. It’s not just the slots, it’s not just the nets, it’s not just the double speak, it’s not just the not taking responsibility, but when you add all the things up people just plain don’t trust the DNR.

    jeff_huberty
    Inactive
    Posts: 4941
    #1520667

    The nuts and bolts of this is,management of the natural order of the world. History has proven that No man has ever been able to manage nature, we have proven time and time again that we destroy nature.

    coffee

    Dutchboy
    Central Mn.
    Posts: 16788
    #1520677

    Well, aren’t you a ray of sunshine.

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