Who didn't see this coming?

And the fun never ends when it is the Mille Lacs Lake show.

This latest development has been anticipated for some time now, the smoke was seen from the other side of the hill…from the white man this time.

Businesses and properties being purchased along the SW side all the way along the south shore to and including Isle.

And who is pushing this measure? State AG Keith Ellison with the support of Guv Walz.

Hope this isn’t perceived as a “political post” by the IDO police…just passing along some developments.

FWIW, I own in Aitkin County…not within this “new” reservation land.

http://www.brainerddispatch.com/news/government-and-politics/4962759-In-reversal-for-Minn.-Ellison-and-Walz-say-Mille-Lacs-band-still-has-61000-acre-reservation?fbclid=IwAR0bumUiuwraU4DzyjPSLzlARVlO0APBvt2cNUOsQtcFgyJVv9D-5jVh8Bw

Well maybe all the violence, drugs, vandalism, and theft that will occur on the southern half of the lake now will scare other fisherman away. More walleyes for us? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Can you say Red Lake?
If the 61,000 acre reservation becomes fact the line will be drawn across the lake. Natives on one side, non-natives on the other. Zero non-native fishing on the native side.

What won’t change is the non-natives will continue to pay for the natives sovereign rights.

But go ahead, everyone visit the casino’s, gamble, eat, take in the shows. Visit their gas stations, restaurants, stay in their motels. Carlson blundered the whole free casino gambling bit and the taxpayers will foot the bill for eternity.
I fully expect Walz to sign a bill funding HWY 169 construction turning it into a freeway to the Casino door.

Sorry Andy, this isn’t big news, just another never ending story of the Mille Lacs debacle and the willingness of politicians ( & parties) to stuff their pockets.

I didn’t read the whole thing i will eventually but if the Indians are only restricted to netting the south shore “there land” lol that would be a huge plus for the lake👍

Just FYI at this link is some pretty good info on the treaties. Just scroll down until you come to the actual treaty documents.

When we bought on ML in 2013 we looked at multiple home down on the south end, but due to our concern with what might happen, we decided to buy north out of the disputed lands.

https://millelacsequalrightsfoundation.org/

Phils epic story of the war on mille lacs begins….

Ripjiggen wrote:

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I didn’t read the whole thing i will eventually but if the Indians are only restricted to netting the south shore “there land” lol that would be a huge plus for the lake👍

And you would only be allowed to fish the northern half of the lake. Not a good thing.

I would be totally fine with that

In reversal for MN, Ellison and Walz say Mille Lacs band still has 61,000-acre reservation

“In public statements and legal filings, the Mille Lacs Band of Ojibwe has repeatedly stated that the band’s only interest in legally solidifying the 61,000-acre boundary is to clarify things so tribal and county police can better work together as they combat crime.”

You’d think we’d have learned to share at some point in time…

First and foremost, there is NOTHING sovereign about anything Indians are doing!

If this becomes a deal then the treaty needs to be followed to the letter as when it was written, not pick and choose which parts are wanted.

Open your eyes people, history from day 1 is one civilization conquering another. On top of that, this giving in to other nations BS as they flood through our borders is going to ruin this nation.

So glad I sold in my Mille Lacs drama property.

I’m ready and it’s even Friday.

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Wow. I didn’t know about this. This should slash property values instantly. Not good.

mark-bruzek wrote:

Open your eyes people, history from day 1 is one civilization conquering another. On top of that, this giving in to other nations BS as they flood through our borders is going to ruin this nation.

Totally agree. I just can’t comprehend why we are still dealing with this in today’s time.

I know my Dad was a huge racist, and this statement may be racist as well, but I thought we were all americans and we should all play by the same set of rules.

Umm, no. The rich make the rules. The poor get the programs, the middle class pays the bills.

It’s the American way.

The reservation system is the US version of apartheid. One class of people “stashed” separate from the main body of society based on ethnicity.
Reservations are the most violent cesspools in the country. Shame on us as a society for what they are become.
My family has been on the south side of ML since 1892.

Dutchboy wrote:

Umm, no. The rich make the rules. The poor get the programs, the middle class pays the bills.

It’s the American way.

Absolutely, the only problem is during an election year the politicians blur the lines.
The are more middles class Americans than any other class. During an election year you would think there is only 2, the poor and the super rich. Us middle classer’s just get a punch in the face as they reach their hands in our pockets.

Racism will exist as long as the reservations exist. Plain and simple.

For their benefit, they should have been integrated into the rest of US society long, long ago. What a disgrace the whole system is.

As badly as we have treated them they really don’t treat each other any better.

So the line South of Garrison (west) and a bit North of Nitti’s (east) is reservation? or is that the county line?

Smackem33 wrote:

I didn’t read the whole thing i will eventually but if the Indians are only restricted to netting the south shore “there land” lol that would be a huge plus for the lake👍

I doubt this is correct. The whole lake is inside the so-called ceded territory as spelled out in the 1855 treaty. I don’t see how or why this would change based on a change in Ellison’s position regarding the size of the reservation.

Grouse

Smackem33 wrote:

I didn’t read the whole thing i will eventually but if the Indians are only restricted to netting the south shore “there land” lol that would be a huge plus for the lake👍

I doubt this is correct. The whole lake is inside the so-called ceded territory as spelled out in the 1855 treaty. I don’t see how or why this would change based on a change in Ellison’s position regarding the size of the reservation.

Grouse

South of Garrison the rez sign you see on 169is where Kathio Twp in ML Co meets Crow Wing Co. Crow Wing and Aitkin meet in the far west of the lake on a common N/S line. ML & Aitkin share a common E/W line from the 3 way corner just SW of Terrys on St Albans Bay.
The dispute is about Kathio (Onamia), South Harbor (Cove / Bayview, Izatys) and Isle Harbor (Isle, Wahkon) Townships all in Mille Lacs Co. Eastside Twp ( from Union / Redtop Rd north of Isle to Hunters) is also not in play.
The band does have trust land, if land is not held for the band in trust by the USoA it pays taxes, in many counties. East Lake and Sandy Lake is Aitkin Co rez land and also Hinckley and a bunch of scattered parcels in Pine Co.

So far it is all about Kathio, South Harbor, and Isle Harbor townships

Edit. Treaty rights for natives dpes apply to the whole lake though.
Also very little harvest is attributed to the ML band. The hardest pressure comes from the east. Red Cliff, Lac Courtes Leis, Lac d Flambeau, St Croix, Fond du Lac all hit the east side hard.

The_Bladepuller wrote:

So far it is all about Kathio, South Harbor, and Isle Harbor townships

Edit. Treaty rights for natives dpes apply to the whole lake though.
Also very little harvest is attributed to the ML band. The hardest pressure comes from the east. Red Cliff, Lac Courtes Leis, Lac d Flambeau, St Croix, Fond du Lac all hit the east side hard.

This illustration is example of a picture being better than a cloudy collection of words. But you are correct.

Also, this advancing development on reservation boundaries has little or no determination on the current co-management of the waters and fishery of the lake and the already agreed and court ordered shared harvest of the walleye or “ogaa” in the native Ojibwa language. And yes, yet again…it’s all about the walleye. Neither side cares much about the other lake species.

biggill wrote:

Wow. I didn’t know about this. This should slash property values instantly. Not good.

And this here is the “elephant in the room”, property values have been stagnant and this…if it comes to fruition will tank the commodity of south shore property.

It currently has had an effect. As a couple other’s who have commented here, it’s already a dark cloud looming overhead.

I’ll not be smug, being I am located in the NW corner I’m in Aitkin county and outside this potentially reclaimed reservation territory.

However, a crumble in the lower lake property values and business economy will ripple across the entire region…and not in a good way.

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Dutchboy wrote:

Can you say Red Lake?
If the 61,000 acre reservation becomes fact the line will be drawn across the lake. Natives on one side, non-natives on the other. Zero non-native fishing on the native side.

What won’t change is the non-natives will continue to pay for the natives sovereign rights.

But go ahead, everyone visit the casino’s, gamble, eat, take in the shows. Visit their gas stations, restaurants, stay in their motels. Carlson blundered the whole free casino gambling bit and the taxpayers will foot the bill for eternity.
I fully expect Walz to sign a bill funding HWY 169 construction turning it into a freeway to the Casino door.

Sorry Andy, this isn’t big news, just another never ending story of the Mille Lacs debacle and the willingness of politicians ( & parties) to stuff their pockets.

Fortunately even in a worst-case scenario this is significantly different than Red Lake. All the property on the red lake reservation is owned by the Red Lake band. It was not divided into individual parcels as most other bands including the Mille Lacs band did. That’s how the band at Red Lake can keep the lake to themselves. It seems to me this would be exactly the same as the Leech Lake reservation. Private property ownership within the reservation boundaries.

It may be only a ripple effect across the region but that would only be because the court battles would rage for years & millions of dollars spent. Otherwise it would be a tsunami.

But hey, look at the bright side. All the residents who don’t live in the affected area could feel all warm and fuzzy that the white man is finally making things right for the wrongs done a 150 years ago. And as a bonus……i’m sure Walz and his group will gladly pour millions into maintenance of the infrastructure and roads & services while allowing the Sovereign nation to pick and choose which if any taxes are paid and to whom.

ptc wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Dutchboy wrote:</div>
Can you say Red Lake?
If the 61,000 acre reservation becomes fact the line will be drawn across the lake. Natives on one side, non-natives on the other. Zero non-native fishing on the native side.

What won’t change is the non-natives will continue to pay for the natives sovereign rights.

But go ahead, everyone visit the casino’s, gamble, eat, take in the shows. Visit their gas stations, restaurants, stay in their motels. Carlson blundered the whole free casino gambling bit and the taxpayers will foot the bill for eternity.
I fully expect Walz to sign a bill funding HWY 169 construction turning it into a freeway to the Casino door.

Sorry Andy, this isn’t big news, just another never ending story of the Mille Lacs debacle and the willingness of politicians ( & parties) to stuff their pockets.

Fortunately even in a worst-case scenario this is significantly different than Red Lake. All the property on the red lake reservation is owned by the Red Lake band. It was not divided into individual parcels as most other bands including the Mille Lacs band did. That’s how the band at Red Lake can keep the lake to themselves. It seems to me this would be exactly the same as the Leech Lake reservation. Private property ownership within the reservation boundaries.

Possibly. But isn’t the Leech Lake band now ending those leases? With the financial freedom the Casino’s allow there is little reason to believe the Mille Lacs Band wouldn’t start moving people out as soon as possible.

Oh, and the one thing I can tell the Mille Lacs band has learned from the white man………how to speak with a forked tongue. I don’t believe one word coming out of their camp. Actions will speak louder than words.

But, fortunately for many here we will be dead and dust long before this thing ends.

It’s going to take bigger fish (pun intended), to steer the control back towards MN. The Governor essentially wants to play peacekeeper at the expense of citizens and doesn’t see the potential ramifications of this. Unfortunately I don’t think the “bigger fish” such as the POTUS have anything to gain by issuing any executive orders related to the matter. He’s already got the votes he needs to be reelected and this situation won’t ever register on his radar. This is a classic example of MN Anglers and Outdoorsmen in general needing to be united.

Imagine if MN Fish (or whatever it’s called) was worth a damn and decided to be the nucleus of a movement to bring regional and national awareness to this with millions of anglers…