And to the point, F2E, it’ll be interesting to see what level of case increase we’ll see in 2+ weeks from all of the protests. One has to assume cases will jump a bit due to it, but hopefully nothing too outrageous.
The experts on infectious disease and flu are predicting that we’ll see this could disappear for a few months.
Check out page 6 for an explanation of the likely scenarios. All indication is that it is acting like the Spanish flu seen in scenario 2.
https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/sites/default/files/public/downloads/cidrap-covid19-viewpoint-part1_0.pdf
And to the point, F2E, it’ll be interesting to see what level of case increase we’ll see in 2+ weeks from all of the protests. One has to assume cases will jump a bit due to it, but hopefully nothing too outrageous.
True, hopefully not too crazy with it being outside etc
Posted today. A thorough review on the use of cloth masks as a containment measure for SARS-CoV-2.
Scary that his colleagues at the CDC were all against the official CDC recommendation of the use of cloth masks in spite of no scientific evidence of effectiveness.
Mike, grab a beer or 3 and listen to the 55 minute podcast.
Ok, here’s an excerpt of significance.
On April 8th, there was another rapid expert consultation by the National Academy of Sciences; it specifically addressed the effectiveness of fabric (i.e. cloth) masks for the prevention of COVID-19. I was a member of this group. I went into it with open mind to understand the scientific data that were available to address this request. Like everyone else, I’m always looking and hoping for the magic bullet. The conclusions of this committee were unanimous. They were; “There are no studies of individuals wearing homemade fabric masks in the course of their typical activities, therefore we have only limited and indirect evidence regarding the effectiveness of such masks protecting others when made or worn by the general public on a regular basis. The evidence comes primarily from laboratory studies testing the effectiveness of different materials at capturing particles of different sizes. The evidence from these laboratory filtration studies suggest that such fabric masks may reduce the transmission of larger respiratory droplets, but there is little evidence regarding the transmission of small aerosolized particulates of the size potentially exhaled by asymptomatic or presymptomatic individuals with COVID-19. The extent of any protection will depend on how the masks are made and used. It would depend on how mask use affects user’s other precautionary behaviors, including their use of better masks when those become widely available. Those behavioral effects may undermine or enhance homemade fabric masks overall effect on public health. The current level of benefit, if any, are not possible to assess.” This conclusion remains the position of the National Academy of Medicine.
Will be interesting to see how the covid cases track with all the gatherings.
I haven’t heard a peep about any concerns from the masked protesters or media since the current crisis. Funny really watching people pulling off the masks to talk, then putting them back on etc.
Looks to me like it’s mostly let er rip tater chip!
Open everything up. Get rid of your mask and save lives. Ive been saying this since day one. Below is not from me but health experts. Fake news doesn’t report it.
The CDC data is consistent with other assessments. “By now, multiple studies from Europe, Japan, and the U.S. all suggest that the overall fatality rate is far lower than early estimates, perhaps below 0.1 to 0.4%, i.e., ten to forty times lower than estimates that motivated extreme isolation,” Dr. Scott Atlas, a senior fellow at Stanford University’s Hoover Institution, told lawmakers in early May, referring to the infection rate.
By taking into account mild and asymptomatic cases that were not clinically confirmed, some health analysts have determined that COVID-19 is more widespread but less deadly than early estimates suggested.
Health experts have noted that the faster the disease spreads and hits its peak, the fewer people will die.
Let the flaming begin in 3,2,1…
That is interesting stuff, and certainly good to read, DTW.
But I don’t quite understand the last line:
Health experts have noted that the faster the disease spreads and hits its peak, the fewer people will die.
I understand that you likely don’t have reason for that statement, but it doesn’t seem to make much sense to me.
Open everything up. Get rid of your mask and save lives. Ive been saying this since day one. Below is not from me but health experts. Fake news doesn’t report it.
The CDC data is consistent with other assessments. “By now, multiple studies from Europe, Japan, and the U.S. all suggest that the overall fatality rate is far lower than early estimates, perhaps below 0.1 to 0.4%, i.e., ten to forty times lower than estimates that motivated extreme isolation,” Dr. Scott Atlas, a senior fellow at Stanford University’s Hoover Institution, told lawmakers in early May, referring to the infection rate.
By taking into account mild and asymptomatic cases that were not clinically confirmed, some health analysts have determined that COVID-19 is more widespread but less deadly than early estimates suggested.
Health experts have noted that the faster the disease spreads and hits its peak, the fewer people will die.
Source? Something other than “experts” preferably.
Let the flaming begin in 3,2,1…
…..but…..but…..but……
Whatever happened to murder hornets??
I feel like we skipped murder hornets 
Open everything up. Get rid of your mask and save lives. Ive been saying this since day one. Below is not from me but health experts. Fake news doesn’t report it.
The CDC data is consistent with other assessments. “By now, multiple studies from Europe, Japan, and the U.S. all suggest that the overall fatality rate is far lower than early estimates, perhaps below 0.1 to 0.4%, i.e., ten to forty times lower than estimates that motivated extreme isolation,” Dr. Scott Atlas, a senior fellow at Stanford University’s Hoover Institution, told lawmakers in early May, referring to the infection rate.
By taking into account mild and asymptomatic cases that were not clinically confirmed, some health analysts have determined that COVID-19 is more widespread but less deadly than early estimates suggested.
Health experts have noted that the faster the disease spreads and hits its peak, the fewer people will die.
Just so nobody is trying to mislead anyone, that opinion was based on a Stanford study that has been widely destroyed by the scientific community. The methods of recruitment, the actual test they used, and the funding have all been called into question. Here is an article titled: “How not to do an antibody survey for covid 19” that breaks down the serious flaws in that study.
Happy reading everyone!
<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>DTW wrote:</div>
Let the flaming begin in 3,2,1……..but…..but…..but……
Whatever happened to murder hornets??
I feel like we skipped murder hornets
These guys haven’t figured out COVID yet. Give ‘em time.
don’t let them fool you. they can’t figure out the common cold. covid 19 is here to stay and we will just have to learn to live with it just like the other viruses.
don’t let them fool you. they can’t figure out the common cold. covid 19 is here to stay and we will just have to learn to live with it just like the other viruses.
They also want to keep an economy in the tank and ruin an election come this fall. 
I went to Menards today – they have had a mask required policy for quite a while, but today they had a cop at the door instead of just an employee, and she said that children under 16 cannot enter, even with a mask.
I went to Menards today – they have had a mask required policy for quite a while, but today they had a cop at the door instead of just an employee, and she said that children under 16 cannot enter, even with a mask.
they have had that here for a month in Rochester with and ARMED guard. I do all my shopping online anyway grocery or building material. I kind of like it really. no dealing with crowds or lines just pack it in the truck and leave. I still prefer lowes or fleet farm
The no guest’s under 16 has been a thing at menards since sometime in April. Not new.
don’t let them fool you. they can’t figure out the common cold. covid 19 is here to stay and we will just have to learn to live with it just like the other viruses.
The common cold is caused by about 200 different viruses. Science hasn’t spent a lot of time trying to cure them because they aren’t dangerous
Ok, here’s an excerpt of significance.
On April 8th, there was another rapid expert consultation by the National Academy of Sciences; it specifically addressed the effectiveness of fabric (i.e. cloth) masks for the prevention of COVID-19. I was a member of this group. I went into it with open mind to understand the scientific data that were available to address this request. Like everyone else, I’m always looking and hoping for the magic bullet. The conclusions of this committee were unanimous. They were; “There are no studies of individuals wearing homemade fabric masks in the course of their typical activities, therefore we have only limited and indirect evidence regarding the effectiveness of such masks protecting others when made or worn by the general public on a regular basis. The evidence comes primarily from laboratory studies testing the effectiveness of different materials at capturing particles of different sizes. The evidence from these laboratory filtration studies suggest that such fabric masks may reduce the transmission of larger respiratory droplets, but there is little evidence regarding the transmission of small aerosolized particulates of the size potentially exhaled by asymptomatic or presymptomatic individuals with COVID-19. The extent of any protection will depend on how the masks are made and used. It would depend on how mask use affects user’s other precautionary behaviors, including their use of better masks when those become widely available. Those behavioral effects may undermine or enhance homemade fabric masks overall effect on public health. The current level of benefit, if any, are not possible to assess.” This conclusion remains the position of the National Academy of Medicine.
Thanks for the info. As much as i am willing to read and learn on this stuff I’m not sitting through a 55 minute podcast. 
The no guest’s under 16 has been a thing at menards since sometime in April. Not new.
Those 16 year olds now are their very soon future customer base. Could prove to be a very bad marketing decision.
Posted today. A thorough review on the use of cloth masks as a containment measure for SARS-CoV-2.
Scary that his colleagues at the CDC were all against the official CDC recommendation of the use of cloth masks in spite of no scientific evidence of effectiveness.
Mike, grab a beer or 3 and listen to the 55 minute podcast.
If you only have 1 beer, skip to the 24 minute mark and just listen…
<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Dusty Gesinger wrote:</div>
The no guest’s under 16 has been a thing at menards since sometime in April. Not new.Those 16 year olds now are their very soon future customer base. Could prove to be a very bad marketing decision.
Just out of curiosity, why no one under 16? Clearly a 15 year old can wear a mask. I’ve seen some exceptions for kids under the age of 2 but 16 seems odd.
Driving age is 16.
I believe there goal was to limit numbers of people in the store, kids touch everything and don’t need to come with to the store at a time like this. Seems like common sense to me, obviously offensive to some for some reason.
Seems like common sense to me, obviously offensive to some for some reason.
Well that was terse. Have I offended your tender sensibilities in some way? You left a sophomoric comment in my thread about night vision binoculars as well. And I thought this was a time to come together.
I put $10 down on an antibody test. Just have to set an appointment. I am a little concerned about accuracy, so my wife will probably take the test too.
Mike. I’d be really concerned about the accuracy. Find out the sensitivity and specificity of the test first. These things are really only accurate with a negative result. A positive can be no better than a coin flip accuracy, at best.
<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Dusty Gesinger wrote:</div>
Seems like common sense to me, obviously offensive to some for some reason.Well that was terse. Have I offended your tender sensibilities in some way? You left a sophomoric comment in my thread about night vision binoculars as well. And I thought this was a time to come together.
I don’t get offended by much, someone asked a question and I was trying to relay information. There was not any ill intention with my comment about night vision, I thought it was funny and I thought you would too, at times you appear to have a sense of humor, others, you tend to get butthurt. That was not my intention. I hope you find fantastic night vision to do stuff and things with. 
I would too. Good tests have 99+% sensitivity and specificity. Many of the IgG tests that came out early are not very good. They use the lateral flow technology which is like at home pregnancy tests. The newer tests use the same technology most blood tests use. Draw a tube of blood, send to the lab, centrifuge it and load it on an analyzer. The analyzer adds the blood to other components (reagents), incubates, washes and reads the result. The company I work for launched such a test 13 days ago. It’s one of the better ones on the market, maybe the best. I don’t know if it is being marketed in the Twin Cities.
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