Wear a mask

eyeguy507 wrote:

I just heard the CDC may recommend goggles due to droplets getting into the eyes.

Headed to Walmart and Menard’s, you guys need me to pick up anything??

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Get me one of those masks.

Sylvanboat wrote:

Get me one of those masks.

Dang, gotta go to Grainger now too

If your going to Walmart… you may pick up VD

eyeguy507 wrote:

I just heard the CDC may recommend goggles due to droplets getting into the eyes.

Also jock straps, athletic cups and butt plugs.

Masks protect against water droplets, not so much COVID 19. COVID 19 is transmitted primarily through aerosols and prolonged close contact. The case against mask use is actually a strong one. The research for mask use is hinges around stopping water droplets and particles larger than 5um. COVID is around 1um therefore your breath going through and around the mask are the most infectious.

The U of M and CIDRAP have had this info out for months and no one is listening. There’s really no evidence that wearing a mask increases the risk of spread but policies around wearing masks can.

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2020/04/commentary-masks-all-covid-19-not-based-sound-data

Cloth masks are ineffective as source control and PPE, surgical masks have some role to play in preventing emissions from infected patients, and respirators are the best choice for protecting healthcare and other frontline workers, but not recommended for source control. These recommendations apply to pandemic and non-pandemic situations.

Leaving aside the fact that they are ineffective, telling the public to wear cloth or surgical masks could be interpreted by some to mean that people are safe to stop isolating at home. It’s too late now for anything but stopping as much person-to-person interaction as possible.

Masks may confuse that message and give people a false sense of security. If masks had been the solution in Asia, shouldn’t they have stopped the pandemic before it spread elsewhere?

Wearing masks now might be too late but it doesn’t surprise me that some places would require them as employers have a responsibility to protect their employees. A lot of group homes may get a lot of unwanted attention from OSHA

Jeremy wrote:

Wearing masks now might be too late but it doesn’t surprise me that some places would require them as employers have a responsibility to protect their employees. A lot of group homes may get a lot of unwanted attention from OSHA

Unfortunately the nursing homes I am familiar with still don’t have PPE. Even the one’s with a covid wing.

Ice Cap wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>eyeguy507 wrote:</div>
I just heard the CDC may recommend goggles due to droplets getting into the eyes.

Also jock straps, athletic cups and butt plugs.

great tip! check, check and check! picked up a snorkel and goggles this afternoon. I guess I will eBay the rest

gimruis wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>eyeguy507 wrote:</div>
I just heard the CDC may recommend goggles due to droplets getting into the eyes.

Joseph Fair, a Virologist for NBC, claims he got Covid 19 when flying on a plane, someone coughed, and droplets passed through the membranes in his eyes. He was wearing an N95 mask and gloves while on the flight so his eyes were literally the only thing exposed. Although very unlikely, it is certainly possible to have droplets get in your eyes and cause an infection. Rubbing your eyes with viral particles on your hands could also cause an infection that’s why they say not to touch your face.

I’m not saying that you should wear goggles but just be aware that eyes are a possible route of viral infection.

Joseph Fair has ZERO clue how he got the covid. you must believe everything you read. you need to come over and play cards with us someday!

biggill wrote:

Masks may confuse that message and give people a false sense of security.

Masks…yes, they sure do confuse the message and create not just a false sense of security, but a false sense of insecurity.

I thought we’d never hear from you again, glad you are back in the fray.

For now. We’ll see how things go. I see some good people have either been ousted or quit posting. My arch nemesis Jeff Huberty is gone I see. I’d actually love to meet the guy. We just had the same personalities deep down and would actually get along really well in person.

biggill wrote:

For now. We’ll see how things go. I see some good people have either been ousted or quit posting.

Yes, well most all of us did get slapped with an unforeseen confusing shift in our world.

There was quite a shake out here in our little IDO world that I believe caught many of us off-guard.

Unfortunate that lines were drawn in sand but I know that each individual reacts very different given the sudden reality they face and how they process that.

Such reactions may be irrational. Important to recognize and understand that…if you can.

And yes, some contributor’s have not been heard from lately…hope they come back as you and I.

Time out can be good, I have and most lately I have little or no internet at my Garrison home and I at times welcome that as a good thing.

I’ve met you and Jeff both. No doubt you’d get along. It’s easy to butt heads online, but most don’t have an appetite for that in person.

I’m a jerk on here, but I wasn’t that bad in person, was I?

biggill wrote:

Masks protect against water droplets, not so much COVID 19. COVID 19 is transmitted primarily through aerosols and prolonged close contact. The case against mask use is actually a strong one. The research for mask use is hinges around stopping water droplets and particles larger than 5um. COVID is around 1um therefore your breath going through and around the mask are the most infectious.

The U of M and CIDRAP have had this info out for months and no one is listening. There’s really no evidence that wearing a mask increases the risk of spread but policies around wearing masks can.

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2020/04/commentary-masks-all-covid-19-not-based-sound-data

Cloth masks are ineffective as source control and PPE, surgical masks have some role to play in preventing emissions from infected patients, and respirators are the best choice for protecting healthcare and other frontline workers, but not recommended for source control. These recommendations apply to pandemic and non-pandemic situations.

Leaving aside the fact that they are ineffective, telling the public to wear cloth or surgical masks could be interpreted by some to mean that people are safe to stop isolating at home. It’s too late now for anything but stopping as much person-to-person interaction as possible.

Masks may confuse that message and give people a false sense of security. If masks had been the solution in Asia, shouldn’t they have stopped the pandemic before it spread elsewhere?

Thanks for posting. Interesting read. It seems most of these papers are just research against previous research papers and not an actual clinical study? I guess science is not always an exact science. The Reference CIDRAP made for not wearing cloth masks was ‘misinterpreted’ and ‘It does not inform the effect of using cloth masks versus not using masks in a community setting for source control of SARS-CoV-2’ in a paper I read. There are clinical studies out there showing that cloth masks do work but yeah maybe not with Covid 19?

Great, now I will need to rethink if it is worth putting on a mask or not…

Full disclosure, it is an opinion article but many of the infectious disease experts at cidrap agree with this including Michael Osterholm. He’s said it on a number of interviews this very information going back months. He said it last week on WCCO.

The way I see it, the act of wearing a mask isn’t detrimental. It’s the policies requiring their use. Often times the policies rely on the masks actually being effective that they use it for justification to reduce physical distancing. Even worse, widespread policies like in Minneapolis and now St. Paul can cause people to go out and buy surgical masks and find and hoard N95 masks that are very badly needed in hospitals.

Don’t get me wrong here, this isn’t doom and gloom like we need to keep businesses locked down. We need to get openend up very badly. Like Bman posted his kids on the playground, decisions to do these things haven’t been good decisions based on the research. Osterholm and CIDRAP have been saying it for months now, surface contact plays a very small role in the spread.

Here’s another fantastic read about the disease. I think he recommends masks at the end but it shows you how easy AND how difficult this thing is to transmit. You need an infectious dose of virus to become infected. That takes time and relatively close proximity. Anecdotal evidence is everywhere to support this. Where are we seeing the most spread? In congregate care facilities, factories with tight working quarters, prisons and within people’s homes. What do they have in common? They are all near each other for very long periods of time breathing the same air.
https://www.erinbromage.com/post/the-risks-know-them-avoid-them?campaign_id=9&emc=edit_nn_20200511&instance_id=18384&nl=the-morning&regi_id=79104681&segment_id=27239&te=1&user_id=04c7b5c8ecf48c929f12db36da9d67c2

There’s a lot of knee jerk reaction decisions being made using good science but often times the science used doesn’t apply to directly to the disease.

You’ll see a lot of commentary from doctors and other “experts” giving their opinion in the news and even to public officials but their training and knowledge is extremely limited.

Regarding COVID 19, I will only get my news from CIDRAP. I recommend others to do the same if they want good factual information.

And no Mike, you aren’t that bad. Tolerable, for sure.

Just kidding, you remind me of that 14 year old kid trying to pick up 20 year old girls on the internet using fake pick of himself. You’re one of the easiest people to get along with. I like talking hockey with you.

The worst part about Mask information or mis-information, is the media’s portrayal that anybody without a mask is killing grandma and does not care. Did anybody see Biden and Jill wearing the masks at the laying of the wreath ceremony ?

big_g wrote:

The worst part about Mask information or mis-information, is the media’s portrayal that anybody without a mask is killing grandma and does not care. Did anybody see Biden and Jill wearing the masks at the laying of the wreath ceremony ?

And equally as bad is people laughing and making fun of people wearing masks.

Have not read every post in this thread, but here is my take on it. Having MPLS and St Paul now requiring you wear a mask in public places is kinda bad timing. I could have gone along with the order if it were put in place at the same time the stay at home order went into effect. But now after a couple of months going to Cub, Walmart, Home Depot, Menards packed with customers and never wearing a mask on those visits makes me wonder WTF?? Why now? I guess I’ll be going all of my shopping in Woodbury.

-J.

Yeah it is a real bummer with the misinformation. You have the CDC, Birx, and Fauci all saying to wear it and then the president is openly saying don’t. IHME says data is showing masks are working (not sure how they know that). Of course you have all the online trolls on here and other places that purposely spread misinformation that you have to ignore too

Obviously this is new and as more data becomes available recommendations/decisions change, but it would be nice to have one somewhat clear message.

Fauci said he believes that while wearing a mask is not “100% effective,” it is a valuable safeguard and shows “respect for another person.”

Based off this I will probably still (mostly) wear it.

I openly admit, I laugh at people in situations wearing a mask, when it is probably doing more harm than good. Such as people driving in their car… alone. People jogging down the sidewalk, alone. People standing 3 feet from someone else, holding it down, so they can understand each other… and yes, the MIB photo op by the Biden’s. If that was not a pony show, I don’t know what is. Quite a show they put on… who were they gonna infect ? use common sense…

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It goes both ways Big G. Trump and crew not wearing a mask while touring a factory making masks, as every employee is wearing one, is equally as much of a pony show. Or Pence at the Mayo Clinic not wearing a mask, while everyone else (per policy) is wearing one.

Wear one if you want, don’t wear one if you don’t want to. If a business requires them to be worn and you don’t agree with it, don’t shop there.

blank wrote:

It goes both ways Big G. Trump and crew not wearing a mask while touring a factory making masks, as every employee is wearing one, is equally as much of a pony show. Or Pence at the Mayo Clinic not wearing a mask, while everyone else (per policy) is wearing one.

Wear one if you want, don’t wear one if you don’t want to. If a business requires them to be worn and you don’t agree with it, don’t shop there.

completely agree Blank it goes both ways…..

however, you do understand that the only reason the company and or municipality is requiring IS BECAUSE THE PONY SHOW MAKES THEM OR PUTS PRESSURE ON THEM TO DO SO…….

Jon Jordan wrote:

Have not read every post in this thread, but here is my take on it. Having MPLS and St Paul now requiring you wear a mask in public places is kinda bad timing. I could have gone along with the order if it were put in place at the same time the stay at home order went into effect. But now after a couple of months going to Cub, Walmart, Home Depot, Menards packed with customers and never wearing a mask on those visits makes me wonder WTF?? Why now? I guess I’ll be going all of my shopping in Woodbury.

-J.

Come on over Jon! Masks optional here and nobody’s getting sick that I have heard of.

Who !!!??? Who will not wear the ribbon ???!!! I like when they show the White House briefings too… all the so called “reporters” wearing their masks firing questions at the person at the podium, not wearing one. Then when the briefing ends and they think the cameras are off… the camera pans around and the CNN reporter then immediately pulls off her mask off, as if she were drowning

joe-winter wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>blank wrote:</div>
It goes both ways Big G. Trump and crew not wearing a mask while touring a factory making masks, as every employee is wearing one, is equally as much of a pony show. Or Pence at the Mayo Clinic not wearing a mask, while everyone else (per policy) is wearing one.

Wear one if you want, don’t wear one if you don’t want to. If a business requires them to be worn and you don’t agree with it, don’t shop there.

completely agree Blank it goes both ways…..

however, you do understand that the only reason the company and or municipality is requiring IS BECAUSE THE PONY SHOW MAKES THEM OR PUTS PRESSURE ON THEM TO DO SO…….

So you are saying that every company and every municipality requiring masks made that decision based on a pony show and not by any reasoning by the company or municipality?

I guess if the New England Journal of Medicine says wearing the cloth masks in public is mostly symbolic, I am not going to join the pony parade. May 21, 2020

big_g wrote:

I guess if the New England Journal of Medicine says wearing the cloth masks in public is mostly symbolic, I am not going to join the pony parade. May 21, 2020

The article you are referencing was originally published on website April 1st.

@curtis73
I thought I’d share a new publication by CIDRAP on a new study about COVID and the importance aerosols play in the spread.

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2020/05/indoor-spread-covid-19-can-be-lessened-experts-say

They talk about ventilation and filtering but make no mention of masks. It’s not necessarily a case against masks but it highlights what they believe to be the most effective measures to prevent the spread.