Wear a mask

Way to go Josh!! You’ll feel more comfortable the more you wear it.

B-man wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Don Meier wrote:</div>
Lets see for those who say it,s infringing on their rights ? No shirt no shoes no service ? You have a problem with that ? !

That’s to keep hobos, nudists, and hippies out

I’d love to see a picture of you eating at your favorite restaurant when it opens up with a mask on

B-man wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Don Meier wrote:</div>
Lets see for those who say it,s infringing on their rights ? No shirt no shoes no service ? You have a problem with that ? !

That’s to keep hobos, nudists, and hippies out

I’d love to see a picture of you eating at your favorite restaurant when it opens up with a mask on

What makes you think i will be eating at any restaurants? You are making assumptions about someone you no absolutely nothing about ! Being ignorant is no excuse .

It used to be politics and religion that you don’t argue about and now add health care. I think it is abundantly clear that people have chosen sides and they aren’t changing.

I’m not choosing any “sides” on this. I just wonder….

Why are health care workers getting the virus? The ones with masks, face shields, gloves, endless supply of sanitizers…everything just short of a full-on hazmat suit?

People are doing what they think and feel is right. And sometimes, no matter how much you try to protect yourself or others, stuff happens.

We are all human. Mistakes happen. Life is too short to spend time & energy berating each other. Before you know it, you’ll be answering why you did.

Weekender wrote:

I’m not choosing any “sides” on this. I just wonder….

Why are health care workers getting the virus? The ones with masks, face shields, gloves, endless supply of sanitizers…everything just short of a full-on hazmat suit?

People are doing what they think and feel is right. And sometimes, no matter how much you try to protect yourself or others, stuff happens.

We are all human. Mistakes happen. Life is too short to spend time & energy berating each other. Before you know it, you’ll be answering why you did.

1. Serology studies in New York actually showed that healthcare workers were getting it at a lower percentage than the general population (shows that PPE works, however, those are are N95 masks so it is a different discussion)
2. Healthcare workers are exposed to an exponentially higher viral load than most people

As far as cloth masks and research is concerned. A study was just done that showed cloth masks reduce the distance traveled by respiratory droplets containing covid 19 by 90% when the mask fits well (important). That for talking and normal breathing. The results were less impressive when a person coughed but still reduced the amount of spread and distance spread

So it’s still getting on the packaged meat and that box of Cheerios that masked guy just put back on the shelf.

pass0047 wrote:

More power to the people wearing masks. They are uncomfortable and one does not look very good in it so thank you for doing it.

I guess its like people washing their hands after going to the bathroom. You don’t wash the fecal materiel off your hands for your own safety you do it so other people are not exposed to your sh–. Its not a law to wash your hands after using the bathroom so it up to each person if its too much work wash after wipe their ass. Let the people who don’t want my fecal material take action rather then me washing my hands after wiping may ass makes sense to me. Its a lot of work to wash my hands.

I thought the toilet paper shortage was over? If you’re coming out of the stall with you’re hands covered in sheit spin off a few extra sheets of tp my man! Or maybe you’re not checking to make sure the roll isn’t gone before doing you’re business so you’re have to do the three finger wipe? I’m relieved to know you are washing you’re hands even though it’s a lot of work for you.

mplspug wrote:

So it’s still getting on the packaged meat and that box of Cheerios that masked guy just put back on the shelf.

Some I’m sure, less if he is wearing a mask. Again, it is not about being bulletproof. If everyone wears a mask when possible, social distances when possible, washes their hands (still important but surface-hand-membrane infection has turned out to be less frequent than originally thought) then we have fewer infections and less spread. Then everything gets back to normal sooner. Japan is probably the best example of this country-wise.

mplspug wrote:

So it’s still getting on the packaged meat and that box of Cheerios that masked guy just put back on the shelf.

There has not been a single documented case of infection traced to contaminated food or food packaging. The FDA has stated more than once that the risk is not on the packaging, its when you go buy it in the store around other people.

gimruis wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>mplspug wrote:</div>
So it’s still getting on the packaged meat and that box of Cheerios that masked guy just put back on the shelf.

There has not been a single documented case of infection traced to contaminated food or food packaging. The FDA has stated more than once that the risk is not on the packaging, its when you go buy it in the store around other people.

Yet we’re told it lives on surfaces for days right? And why are we spending all this time wiping down surfaces, people wiping down all their UPS deliveries? And how would you ever document exactly where someone picked it up? Once you have it I don’t think anyone is doing the research beyond who you have been in contact with much less asking what items you came in contact with in Wal Mart. So yes I’m sure there are no documented cases of picking it up off a package or can of corn because how the hell would you ever know?

I read a nice article from a ER Physician in a small hospital in Western Wisconsin yesterday. It was very lengthy and very practical. The one thing that stuck out the most to me was about people wearing masks. He said basically, people who he see’s wearing masks out in public, may as well strap a petri dish to their face. Constantly touching and readjusting. It does not stop the kind of airborne particles that Covid19 is transmitted by at all. When you leave one decontaminated area (such as aisle 9 at Menard’s) and go to aisle 10, you should demask (throw away in a hazardous container) and sanitize your face and hands and remask with a new one out of the bacteria/virus free bag it arrived in. He said the cloth masks that auntie made, are the worst. They hold moisture very well and create an awesome breeding ground for bacteria. Mask away.

gimruis wrote:

There has not been a single documented case of infection traced to contaminated food or food packaging. The FDA has stated more than once that the risk is not on the packaging, its when you go buy it in the store around other people.

The virus may be spread in other ways
It may be possible that a person can get COVID-19 by touching a surface or object that has the virus on it and then touching their own mouth, nose, or possibly their eyes. This is not thought to be the main way the virus spreads, but we are still learning more about how this virus spreads.

It may not be the main way, but they are still learning more about how it is spread. Wash your hands after you put the groceries away and for God’s sake, don’t touch your face or remove your mask before washing your hands.

mplspug wrote:

Wash your hands after you put the groceries away and for God’s sake, don’t touch your face or remove your mask before washing your hands.

Yes, I agree and I will continue to do so.

Anybody wear a mask on those bitter cold windy days when working outside? When hunting? On those clear days on the water when the sun is brutal? Half the time spent in the shop repairing I have a mask on for dust and welding fumes. Is it uncomfortable? Yes. Is it better for me? Yes.
If you needed open heart surgery are you going to tell the surgery team don’t bother wearing masks as they do nothing? If you need to sneeze or cough feel free to let it fly onto my open body.
If you believe that it would be a injustice to the world to cover up your good looks with a mask in public, well you really should get a second opinion.

Big G, I think what others on this thread are saying to you is “you are not to worry about yourself, only how you might (not proven to change any outcomes) – on theory- if done perfectly- reduce the spray from your mouth – but worry about everyone else that are wearing their diseased mask”. Got it? changing anyone’s mind yet???? didn’t think so……. carry on.

Plenty of you guys have made it clear you won’t wear a mask for this or that reason. Good for you. Personal choice, maybe for now? I will go with the science that show it helps stop the spread. I live in a large metro where my chances of being exposed or exposing someone else is greater than people who live in small-town USA. I figure if wearing a mask might prevent someone walking by me in a store or a low-paid worker helping me from getting infected I can certainly put on a mask.

I’m not perfect with it. If I am running in someplace quick I figure why bother. When I do wear the mask I feel pretty silly. When I don’t wear a mask and I look at the worker at the register I then feel like an A-hole for not wearing it.

Good job B-Curtis! you made an adult decision for yourself. No matter the reasoning, you made a choice. God Bless America!

big_g wrote:

I read a nice article from a ER Physician in a small hospital in Western Wisconsin yesterday. It was very lengthy and very practical. The one thing that stuck out the most to me was about people wearing masks. He said basically, people who he see’s wearing masks out in public, may as well strap a petri dish to their face. Constantly touching and readjusting. It does not stop the kind of airborne particles that Covid19 is transmitted by at all. When you leave one decontaminated area (such as aisle 9 at Menard’s) and go to aisle 10, you should demask (throw away in a hazardous container) and sanitize your face and hands and remask with a new one out of the bacteria/virus free bag it arrived in. He said the cloth masks that auntie made, are the worst. They hold moisture very well and create an awesome breeding ground for bacteria. Mask away.

So the bacteria (only thing that can grow on a mask/Petri dish) that are in your mouth/lungs/and throat right now and are breathed onto the inside of the mask are dangerous to you? Fascinating

b-curtis wrote:

Good for you

Same to the mask wearers as well.

Hey, he is the ER Physician, he is the one saying bringing in air around a mask that doesn’t have a proper seal and then having whatever was in the air, sit 1/4″ from your mouth for hours on end is bad, debate him. He said he wears a mask in surgery, because if he would spit inadvertently (as most people do when talking) it does not go into the wound and cause an infection. Breathing in droplets is different than putting them on vital organs evidently, but what do I know, I am taking his word as more valuable than from some stranger on a fishing website, but that’s just me.

big_g wrote:

Hey, he is the ER Physician, he is the one saying bringing in air around a mask that doesn’t have a proper seal and then having whatever was in the air, sit 1/4″ from your mouth for hours on end is bad, debate him. He said he wears a mask in surgery, because if he would spit inadvertently (as most people do when talking) it does not go into the wound and cause an infection. Breathing in droplets is different than putting them on vital organs evidently, but what do I know, I am taking his word as more valuable than from some stranger on a fishing website, but that’s just me.

I agree, the same mask should not be worn for “hours on end.” There is definitely a right way to do it. It is never hard to find one expert that disagrees with the majority of experts. That argument is also being conflated by combining personal health and public health. One is saying masks are good for public health. The other is saying wearing a mask in a terribly wrong way could be bad for your personal health. If you conveyed that accurately think about how insane what he is saying is. You have to change masks in between aisles at Menards? A wet mask is a great place to grow bacteria but bacteria doesn’t proliferate in a few seconds

“majority”????

go ahead and show me one study that shows a change in outcomes.

never mind …. remember no minds will be swayed on social media…. just more frustration.

big_g wrote:

Constantly touching and readjusting.

It does not stop the kind of airborne particles that Covid19 is transmitted by at all.

When you leave one decontaminated area (such as aisle 9 at Menard’s) and go to aisle 10, you should demask (throw away in a hazardous container) and sanitize your face and hands and remask with a new one out of the bacteria/virus free bag it arrived in.

First point is very valid. This one bothers me a lot. One stands a very good chance of placing a bacteria or virus on their skin inches from mouth, eyes, nose when they touch the mask. Contact could later spread it into a mucus membrane. They should practice hand hygiene before and after touching the mask, 100% of the time.

Second point. Covid is spread by droplet and, to a lesser degree, contact. Droplet is where the 6 foot radius comes from. When it comes to airborne, think perfume. That’s airborne transmission when you can smell it from across the room. They’re still figuring out the contact aspect of it. That has changed a lot, and it’s been frustrating. Sounds like up to three days on certain surfaces under certain circumstances and temperatures. Other surfaces appears to be only a few hours. Covid is only airborne in rare instances found in a hospital setting, such as intubation, humidified oxygen, deep suctioning, and chest compressions. That is why staff in non-Covid areas get surgical masks, and staff in Covid areas get N95s or PAPRs.

Third point doesn’t make sense. The entire store is contaminated. Aisle to aisle makes no difference. Inside to outside is where the change occurs, and where the mask should be thrown away in a trashcan. One can also store the mask in a paper bag if it’s unlikely that it was contaminated by close contact with others, such as a quick visit, and then a self checkout. Think bakery/donut bag. The bag should be labeled so that the mask is always placed right-side-up in it, and should only be used a few times before discarding, such as one work shift.

These are recommendations set forth by the CDC and AHA.

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I think the Menard’s reference is being a little facetious…

I though crap like this is meant for facebook???

Anonymous wrote:

I though crap like this is meant for facebook???

Yup. The funny thing is this thread went over a month without a response, then some random guy created an account to pimp his custom face mask business, which no one mentioned, and 3 pages later here we are.

I just heard the CDC may recommend goggles due to droplets getting into the eyes.

blank wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>mnice wrote:</div>
I though crap like this is meant for facebook???

Yup. The funny thing is this thread went over a month without a response, then some random guy created an account to pimp his custom face mask business, which no one mentioned, and 3 pages later here we are.

And that SOB still has one post! I feel violated.

eyeguy507 wrote:

I just heard the CDC may recommend goggles due to droplets getting into the eyes.

Joseph Fair, a Virologist for NBC, claims he got Covid 19 when flying on a plane, someone coughed, and droplets passed through the membranes in his eyes. He was wearing an N95 mask and gloves while on the flight so his eyes were literally the only thing exposed. Although very unlikely, it is certainly possible to have droplets get in your eyes and cause an infection. Rubbing your eyes with viral particles on your hands could also cause an infection that’s why they say not to touch your face.

I’m not saying that you should wear goggles but just be aware that eyes are a possible route of viral infection.