I can’t make myself believe there are people willing to kill thousands of people just to prove a point.
Wow Bob,
You cant or won’t believe that all Governments around the world including OUR’S kill thousands of people just to prove a point! That seams very naive to me. I dont think its a conspiracy, i think it a fact, alot of people are kill daily over a point of view or a belief they hold to be true to them or there Government..
Willing to kill 1000s of people? Come on now.
I don’t expect the CDC or the NIH to have all the answers early on but….
What the heck are we paying them for? They didn’t have some three ring binder laying around with some basic contingency plans for a viral outbreak? It’s just appeared to me to be a giant cluster funk…..a fire drill with kindergarteners.
I don’t expect the CDC or the NIH to have all the answers early on but….
What the heck are we paying them for? They didn’t have some three ring binder laying around with some basic contingency plans for a viral outbreak? It’s just appeared to me to be a giant cluster funk…..a fire drill with kindergarteners.
Its not matter of having answers or knowing what to do, its a matter of preparation. The entire medical industry and hospitals use the same model manufacturing uses, its called Just In Time (JIT). All the PPE and testing materials are on short supply by design. Its to save money. Stockpiling PPE and materials costs money and since we ignored the warning of these organizations in favor of a more efficient system, we basically cut our legs off at the knees.
Countries and cities like Hong Kong, South Korea and Singapore were well equipped for this because they’ve been through this before and have the stockpiles on hand to treat the disease, have surge hospital space and perform testing on a scale many times higher than we have.
Those organizations make these recommendations but they are ignored by the corporate medical industry.
Not only that, we could have had a vaccine for this years ago. Maybe not one that is near 90-100% effective, but one effective enough to slow the virus down so it could be contained. With no incentive for drug makers to develop this vaccine, it simply doesn’t happen.
Its not matter of having answers or knowing what to do, its a matter of preparation. The entire medical industry and hospitals use the same model manufacturing uses, its called Just In Time (JIT). All the PPE and testing materials are on short supply by design. Its to save money. Stockpiling PPE and materials costs money and since we ignored the warning of these organizations in favor of a more efficient system, we basically cut our legs off at the knees.
Yuuup.
Suppliers catering to JIT get the business these days. Bulk prices but with daily amount deliveries. This essentially pressures all in supply chain to follow suit to stay profitable.
– manufacturing engineer here
– manufacturing engineer here
Ditto.
We can thank 3 decades of poor leadership for this mess.
I guess there has to be one Facebook feed to satisfy a certain crowd. Yes color me purple. I no longer care about arguing or putting a 2 cents worth on subject spirals into nowhere.
HSO get nixed?
Yeh, don’t click on it Yada de Yada. Fricking wasting bandwidth for nothing.
I miss HSO. that used to be a great site
It didn’t help that China was hoarding the PPE for 2 months before anybody else even knew what was going on….
It doesn’t help that we rely on China to manufacture critical PPE in a crisis. I though we were promised these jobs were coming back to us soil?
PPE is only the tip of the iceberg. There are dozens emergency room medications critical to saving lives ONLY manufactured in china. Of course these are managed using JIT as well.
It is not up to the manufacturer to build stock piles, that is on the individual Hospitals or Countries to determine and be proactive about. I am sure a lot of PPE has an expiration date attached to them also, so there is that too.
The jobs were coming… until Covid shut it all down.
And if they were manufactured here, China would’t have hoarded them.
Supply chain issues are one of the most obvious and biggest problems in a pandemic so it would stand to reason that anything we may need in a pandemic, we will need at least the capability if not REQUIRE BY LAW that some are actually made here.
So essentially the inevitable happened.
It is not up to the manufacturer to build stock piles, that is on the individual Hospitals or Countries to determine and be proactive about. I am sure a lot of PPE has an expiration date attached to them also, so there is that too.
The jobs were coming… until Covid shut it all down.
Were they?
The trade war in 2019 had already stalled the growth in manufacturing jobs we were seeing for 10 years
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I don’t expect the CDC or the NIH to have all the answers early on but….
What the heck are we paying them for? They didn’t have some three ring binder laying around with some basic contingency plans for a viral outbreak? It’s just appeared to me to be a giant cluster funk…..a fire drill with kindergarteners.
They did have a detailed plan for pandemic preparedness, it was largely ignored
Dr. Osterholm touches again on the masks this week. There still no reason to believe that cloth mask use in public plays any role in preventing the spread. He goes on to say that the two most successful countries at literally stopping the spread of the disease, New Zealand and Iceland, had no policies or recommendations for requiring cloth mask use in public. Iceland officials even stated that they actually pose a false sense of security which they felt could make things worse.
He also mention the Lancet study which was about medical masks in a clinical or hospital setting and not cloth masks in public. There are significant differences and medical and surgical masks must be reserved for medical personnel and should not be used by the public. There are still very severe PPE shortages for medical personnel.
He begins talking about masks around 24:00.
https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/covid-19/podcasts-webinars/episode-11
<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>big_g wrote:</div>
It is not up to the manufacturer to build stock piles, that is on the individual Hospitals or Countries to determine and be proactive about. I am sure a lot of PPE has an expiration date attached to them also, so there is that too.The jobs were coming… until Covid shut it all down.
Were they?
The trade war in 2019 had already stalled the growth in manufacturing jobs we were seeing for 10 years
Your graph shows 400,000 manufacturing jobs gained 2017-2019 ? Thank you for making my statement clearer. Also, more manufacturing jobs in 2019, than 2009 according to your graph, when the decline started. TADA !!!
2009 was the rock bottom of the recession… If we were below that number we would still be in that recession.
Now we’re in another one, officially.
He goes on to say that the two most successful countries at literally stopping the spread of the disease, New Zealand and Iceland, had no policies or recommendations for requiring cloth mask use in public. Iceland officials even stated that they actually pose a false sense of security which they felt could make things worse.
Did he attribute it to stopping flights coming in and out of those countries early on? Those countries probably benefited from less international, even though they are beautiful countries, I am guessing we have far more international flights. They also did a lot of testing, so they probably had an easier time isolating outbreaks. I still wonder how they do going forward since the virus is sticking around even after a vaccine.
2009 was the rock bottom of the recession… If we were below that number we would still be in that recession.
Now we’re in another one, officially.
Exactly.
<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Matt Wodziak wrote:</div>
He goes on to say that the two most successful countries at literally stopping the spread of the disease, New Zealand and Iceland, had no policies or recommendations for requiring cloth mask use in public. Iceland officials even stated that they actually pose a false sense of security which they felt could make things worse.Did he attribute it to stopping flights coming in and out of those countries early on? Those countries probably benefited from less international, even though they are beautiful countries, I am guessing we have far more international flights. They also did a lot of testing, so they probably had an easier time isolating outbreaks. I still wonder how they do going forward since the virus is sticking around even after a vaccine.
Closing the borders was definitely a large part of it. I believe they closed to any non-resident. After that they ramped up testing and tracing very quickly and their population was very compliant to the shutdown/lockdown.
The have a huge advantage, they are both island nations and can stop it from coming in like you say. Thats the biggest factor but they also implemented some very good fact based policies to get it under control. Wearing masks in public wasn’t one of them. You can look at another island nation like Japan that failed because they failed to implement physical distancing strategies effectively. I’m not sure if hey had mask policies but its well known they do wear masks and it didn’t help their situation at all.
Closing the borders was definitely a large part of it. I believe they closed to any non-resident. After that they ramped up testing and tracing very quickly and their population was very compliant to the shutdown/lockdown.
This too.
To date I can not blame any issues related to the covid pandemic on politicians, the blasting of Trump, Cuomo, Walz, whoever. There’s no playbook for this, it’s a complete unknown. I truly believe that all involved did what they thought best at the time, and it’s real easy for us to sit on our couches and criticize the results after the fact.
Now, if they aren’t 100% prepared for some level of chaos this fall that would be a disgrace.
Actually, there is tons of blame to be handed out to Walz. He’s ruined our economy for literally nothing and threw in positive COVIDS to nursing home where our most vulnerable are. Even yesterday he extended his peacetime emergency. Not because it is the right thing to do, only because HE CAN and wants to keep control of us.
Minnesota is literally one step away from California. I am so embarrassed to live here.
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