What’s the Viking qb situation?

I personally know someone who got the vaccine and ended up in the hospital because of it. During his stay there he was told repeatedly by the hospital staff to not tell anyone about the bad reaction to the vaccine. That along with other accounts I have heard from my own research is why I am not getting the vaccine. Just maybe these NFL players have witnessed the same things or have seen first hand the side effects form the vaccine and have chosen not to get it. I don’t care either way if someone gets it or not but it should be a personal choice and be respected as such.

Should be a personal choice, period. No mandates. No passports. No repercussions. Had they not pushed so hard more would have taken it by now.

gim wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>BigWerm wrote:</div>
I am not sure where this deep mistrust of the medical field comes from. I’m not talking about Fauci or some politician either. I’m talking about what a real life medical professional says to you in person. The NFL brought in their head medical specialist to every team and some players still don’t believe them.

It comes from a EUA vaccine being pushed out after minimal testing, a horrendous lack of information on its safety or effectiveness, and over abundance of mis-information from people with an agenda, people on both sides of the isle trying to use “science” as a weapon, and pharmaceutical companies that stand to make an insane amount of money if they can keep fear mongering going and keep distributing doses, ideally on a 6-12 month cycle.

It still baffles me that here we are, 18 months into this and we still don’t know, who’s at risk, how long they are at risk, can you get it twice, hoe long do antibodies last, is the vaccine effective, does it minimize spread, or increase asymptomatic spread, what other long term effects does the vaccine pose, are there any reproductive health concerns, the list goes on and on.

This might blow some of your minds, but medical facilities are BUSINESSES. They exist to make money, and a lot of it at that. Especially in the last 10 years, there has been a dramatic shift away from patient care to the bottom line. And to be quite frank, after raising children and seeing how uninterested and unprofessional pediatricians are with my kids, it became abundantly clear that no doctor is advocating for me or my children’s health, and that’s my job. They are simply following a treatment protocol that has been dictated to them by the service provider in order to remain compliant and make money.

So, everyone, make your own decisions, if you’re at risk, consider the vaccine, if you’re not, consider not getting the vaccine, Do whatever is right for you and your family and those around you, not what some talking head or political party tells you.

Well said Luttes

Im thinking of switching my primary doctor for exactly what you said. No matter what I go for seem to get a universal answer. The kids doctor on the other hand is wonderful. You can tell she truly cares and will always squeeze them in no matter how busy she is.

Can’t trust the vaccine because it doesn’t have full FDA (govt) approval, despite the vast approval by medical professionals. (but don’t trust the govt on anything else).

Don’t know the long term effects of the vaccine. (But we know the immediate effects of covid, some unfortunately are severe. Don’t know the long term effects on those who experienced mild symptoms.)

blank wrote:

Can’t trust the vaccine because it doesn’t have full FDA (govt) approval, despite the vast approval by medical professionals. (but don’t trust the govt on anything else).

Don’t know the long term effects of the vaccine. (But we know the immediate effects of covid, some unfortunately are severe. Don’t know the long term effects on those who experienced mild symptoms.)

We also don’t know the long term side effects of having the vaccine AND still getting Covid with or without symptoms….

It’s a gamble like anything else in life. That’s why it’s your choice either way.

Do what’s best for YOU and quit worrying about everyone else.

What’s funny is most people that don’t want the shot don’t give a crap about whether someone else has it or not.

Yet many (note I did not say all) people who have gotten the shot push their ideals on those who have not.

B-man wrote:

What’s funny is people that don’t want the shot don’t give a crap about whether someone else has it or not.

Yet many (note I did not say all) people who have gotten the shot push their ideals on those who have not.

Absolutely.

I don’t really disagree with you, B-Man.

Just think some of the reasons/logic are a bit befuddling to me.

Because this is a highly contagious virus. If this was about a vaccine for cancer.. sure, don’t take it. Cancer isn’t contagious.

But, this is just another echo chamber for covid deniers and vaccine skeptics. No amount of actual, solid science will change minds here. They’ll listen to the (fully vaccinated) fox news talking heads spread vaccine misinformation. I’m sure there will be plenty of bitching here when mask mandates are put back in place.

I really couldn’t care less what other people do. I don’t have a ton of sympathy for someone who is unvaccinated getting seriously sick. On the same point, I don’t have any sympathy for someone who is bothered by others not being vaccinated or feels threatened by it. My biggest issue is the lack of logic used when making the decision either way (even while reading through some of this thread).

The whole “I’m not getting a vaccine when you can still catch Covid or transmit it to others after being vaccinated” is a popular illogical argument.

That’s like a cop saying “I’m not wearing a bulletproof vest because I could still be shot in the head”

On the issue of employment, no employer is forcing vaccinations. They are forcing difficult decisions. I don’t necessarily agree with it all, but the decisions you make about your own personal health/body can impact your career. This has been the case long before Covid. Not getting a vaccine and wanting to work in a hospital is going to force some tough choices. Smoking marijuana is going to also force some tough choices in many careers where people are drug tested. There are careers where choosing where you put ink on your skin can force tough employment choices.

Rarely are these decisions or things a shocker. If you’re shocked that you can’t find a job working in a hospital without being vaccinated during a pandemic, you missed something along the way. If you are shocked that you cannot become a cop with a criminal history, you missed something. If you’re shocked you cannot find a teaching job with a tattoo on your face, you’re missing something.

buckybadger wrote:

The whole “I’m not getting a vaccine when you can still catch Covid or transmit it to others after being vaccinated” is a popular illogical argument.

That’s like a cop saying “I’m not wearing a bulletproof vest because I could still be shot in the head”

Can you please explain this?

The whole reason for the vaccine was to protect yourself and others. The CDC and government itself has said the vaccine does not appear to do this.

So if you can transmit it to others and carry a high viral load with the vaccine, the only reason to get the vaccine would be for yourself?? Then if you are in a low risk category where 99.99% of people recover with no long term effects, why in gods green earth would you take the unnecessary risk of getting an unproven experimental drug injected into your body?

To tie this to the original post Kirk Cousins is in the low risk healthy category.

suzuki wrote:

What’s funny is most people that don’t want the shot don’t give a crap about whether someone else has it or not.

Yet many (note I did not say all) people who have gotten the shot push their ideals on those who have not.

i think its because those who dont get the shot think of covid as nothing more than the flu and its not a concern. If you believe the media its also a cultural thing where people dont trust the government or the medical field or frankly anyone who isnt on their side

For many who prefer others get vaccinated its not cause they want to indoctrinate you to their ideals (why a vaccine is even equated to an ideal is stupid in its own right). Its to prevent mutations from happening so we can be done with this stupid mess once and for all. With so many unvaccinated the virus will continue to mutate and be disruptive forever. If i can speak for those who do advocate that everyone get vaccinated i think many could care less about your personal well being or your ideals. its not about that. its about trying to end covid.

If vaccines do accomplish this task (jury is still out on whether that would happen) then covid can fall in line with polio and the measles and small pox and all the other crippling diseases from the past that have all but been eradicated by a vaccine.

I still think that getting a vaccine should be a personal choice and i respect anyones wishes to not get one. For the sake of putting an end to covid i would prefer that more people do but i would never advocate for forcing that on anyone

Justin riegel wrote:

The whole reason for the vaccine was to protect yourself and others. The CDC and government itself has said the vaccine does not appear to do this.

No, the whole reason is to keep people from flooding our health care system, which has a limited capacity. I think that’s been demonstrated, as upwards of 97 or 98% of people with serious outcomes in hospitals are unvaccinated.

A big part of the reason I chose to get jabbed was so I didn’t have to wear a mask anymore. I hated those things just as much as anyone else. Well now that’s kind of out the door again.

crappie55369 wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>suzuki wrote:</div>
What’s funny is most people that don’t want the shot don’t give a crap about whether someone else has it or not.

Yet many (note I did not say all) people who have gotten the shot push their ideals on those who have not.

i think its because those who dont get the shot think of covid as nothing more than the flu and its not a concern. If you believe the media its also a cultural thing where people dont trust the government or the medical field or frankly anyone who isnt on their side

For many who prefer others get vaccinated its not cause they want to indoctrinate you to their ideals (why a vaccine is even equated to an ideal is stupid in its own right). Its to prevent mutations from happening so we can be done with this stupid mess once and for all. With so many unvaccinated the virus will continue to mutate and be disruptive forever. If i can speak for those who do advocate that everyone get vaccinated i think many could care less about your personal well being or your ideals. its not about that. its about trying to end covid.

If vaccines do accomplish this task (jury is still out on whether that would happen) then covid can fall in line with polio and the measles and small pox and all the other crippling diseases from the past that have all but been eradicated by a vaccine.

I still think that getting a vaccine should be a personal choice and i respect anyones wishes to not get one. For the sake of putting an end to covid i would prefer that more people do but i would never advocate for forcing that on anyone

While we do not always agree Crappie, well said.

Conform, or suffer the consequences.

If that isn’t a wake up call, not sure wtf is.

gim wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Justin riegel wrote:</div>
The whole reason for the vaccine was to protect yourself and others. The CDC and government itself has said the vaccine does not appear to do this.

No, the whole reason is to keep people from flooding our health care system, which has a limited capacity.

A big part of the reason I chose to get jabbed was so I didn’t have to wear a mask anymore. I hated those things just as much as anyone else. Well now that’s kind of out the door again.

yes that was one of the original reasons, but there have been many different messages out there (some now conflicting with earlier ones). I believe that is why there is percentage of people have mistrust with people pushing these messages.

And the whole mask issue is another story. Osterholm the u of m Infectious disease expert just said the other day the clothe masks don’t work, yet they still want people to mask up places?

basseyes wrote:

Conform, or suffer the consequences.

If that isn’t a wake up call, not sure wtf is.

Like… get a free, easily available vaccine to help end a public health crisis and protect children and the immuno-compromised?

You’re just fear mongering at this point.

Justin riegel wrote:

yes that was one of the original reasons, but there have been many different messages out there (some now conflicting with earlier ones). I believe that is why there is percentage of people have mistrust with people pushing these messages.

I agree, the messaging and communication on a lot of this is poor and rapidly changes.

To protect children Mike? Aren’t they the least effected?

Immuno-compromised? Wouldn’t they already have been vaccinated?

If an unvaccinated immuno-compromised person wants me to be vaccinated to protect them…..well….I’ll just leave it at that.

Mike wrote:

Because this is a highly contagious virus. If this was about a vaccine for cancer.. sure, don’t take it. Cancer isn’t contagious.

But, this is just another echo chamber for covid deniers and vaccine skeptics. No amount of actual, solid science will change minds here. They’ll listen to the (fully vaccinated) fox news talking heads spread vaccine misinformation. I’m sure there will be plenty of bitching here when mask mandates are put back in place.

Does CNN tell you to always blame FOX news? I don’t watch msm anymore I do my own research from a wide range of places. Personally I don’t think the vast majority of vaccinated people really care about the health and well-being of those of us non vaccinated. It’s about the government and media telling us we can get back to normal if only “X” percentage of the population is vaccinated and the non vaccinated are standing in your way of going back to normal.

Geeze – I don’t know if I want this thread to keep going or get dusted.

What a train wreck.

I was not going to get it until the state offered me $100! That is like two bottles of crown! So of course I went and got it. I figured that I have had every shot known to man while in the USAF to include Yellow Fever and Anthrax. I have noticed one side effect since yesterday’s “poke”. It has made me very thirsty!

Justin riegel wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>buckybadger wrote:</div>
The whole “I’m not getting a vaccine when you can still catch Covid or transmit it to others after being vaccinated” is a popular illogical argument.

That’s like a cop saying “I’m not wearing a bulletproof vest because I could still be shot in the head”

Can you please explain this?

The whole reason for the vaccine was to protect yourself and others. The CDC and government itself has said the vaccine does not appear to do this.

So if you can transmit it to others and carry a high viral load with the vaccine, the only reason to get the vaccine would be for yourself?? Then if you are in a low risk category where 99.99% of people recover with no long term effects, why in gods green earth would you take the unnecessary risk of getting an unproven experimental drug injected into your body?

To tie this to the original post Kirk Cousins is in the low risk healthy category.

I missed the part where the CDC has said the vaccine doesn’t protect people.

…or maybe I’m just being sarcastic and you’re making things up

MN Z wrote:

I was not going to get it until the state offered me $100! That is like two bottles of crown! So of course I went and got it. I figured that I have had every shot known to man while in the USAF to include Yellow Fever and Anthrax. I have noticed one side effect since yesterday’s “poke”. It has made me very thirsty!

His name was Rick ziesmer
Just kidding. Good for you, I hope all goes well.

buckybadger wrote:

On the issue of employment, no employer is forcing vaccinations. They are forcing difficult decisions. I don’t necessarily agree with it all, but the decisions you make about your own personal health/body can impact your career. This has been the case long before Covid. Not getting a vaccine and wanting to work in a hospital is going to force some tough choices. Smoking marijuana is going to also force some tough choices in many careers where people are drug tested. There are careers where choosing where you put ink on your skin can force tough employment choices.

Essentia Health just announced they are mandating it for all employees. Sure, they aren’t going to pin you down and stick a needle in your arm, but I’m sure there are many people that have worked their entire careers there and now are forced into making the decision…. a decision that should not be forced on anyone.

Mike wrote:

Like… get a free, easily available vaccine to help end a public health crisis and protect children and the immuno-compromised?

Highly encourage people to read the cdc website, it’s highly informative. Getting the vaccine will not stop a person from getting it or spreading it. And it will definitely not end it.

What’s funny is most people that don’t want the shot don’t give a crap about whether someone else has it or not.

Yet many (note I did not say all) people who have gotten the shot push their ideals on those who have not.
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Sorry B-man I have to disagree with this part. It gets pushed both ways. Just read through this thread.
Not referring to you B-Man but some folks on both sides of the fence here need to do a little better research. Some reasons for and against it, posted here seam like you did your research on IDO. Er Um I mean Facebook. Again not referring to you B-Man.

Back to the original topic. NFL has protocols. Some are lifted to those vaccinated. Notice the difference is you still have a choice to get poked or not. If Kurt doesn’t like them then he should talk to his union director who agreed to the protocols.

Really surprised we haven’t gotten to Cousins contract, or whether Mond will pan out yet…

basseyes wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Mike wrote:</div>
Like… get a free, easily available vaccine to help end a public health crisis and protect children and the immuno-compromised?

Highly encourage people to read the cdc website, it’s highly informative. Getting the vaccine will not stop a person from getting it or spreading it. And it will definitely not end it.

The CDC website says.. wait for it… get the vaccine.

Pfizer is set for FDA approval on Sept 6th. So I’m guessing all you folks who haven’t gotten it yet because it’s ‘experimental’ will be lined up to get it then, right?

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