What the hell is going on in France

Bang bang shoot anyone damn.
And I don’t think there allowed to carry. Sad

That’s the problem, if they could carry, they could at least defend themselves. These radical Muslims are not going to stop until they are eliminated.

One of the victims was a bodyguard. I would assume he was armed?
More likely all would be alive if the radicals weren’t armed.

Same thing that’s going on every place else.

Dutchboy wrote:

One of the victims was a bodyguard. I would assume he was armed?
More likely all would be alive if the radicals weren’t armed.

And how do you think we go about disarming those radicals? I know more gun laws is not the answer. Most people who do bad things with guns don’t obtain them thru legal methods.

suzuki wrote:

Same thing that’s going on every place else.

Yep. Same thing thats been going on for thousands of years. Killing each other over religion.

Now where have I heard history repeats itself? Read your history books, the names may change, the methods may change, but the core motivation is there and will be till the human race has exterminated itself. I’m not saying we should accept it not tolerate it, but to think man will ever change, well if you do, have some more KoolAid and turn on the Disney channel.

And not just religion, but power, money, land , resources, women, even the shoes on your feet. And their are those who kill for nothing but an evil sense of pleasure.

suzuki wrote:

Same thing that’s going on every place else.

Pretty much sums it up. France has strict gun laws, but you can own a hand gun that carries 3 or less rounds without another special permit. Your also restricted to how much ammo you can own and have in your possession.

The power of media to bring news immediately to your phone, TV, computer….all enhances the intensity of what appears to be frequent events. But this world we are evolving into with extreme point of views and radical responses from extremists I think will only get worse. I’m not arguing right or wrong. But these freaks are like a cornered wild dog that has hit the Flight or Fight response. In their demented minds, they think they terror that they create will resolve some issue. The reality is it creates some knee jerk reaction, then slips away as the next tragic event happens.

My prediction for the next attack on US soil will be in the Mid West. In the heartland where we feel safe and external to the extreme differences of those in the major cities like New York or LA. It’s not hard to imagine an attack that could shut down transport throughout the Mississippi River (or any other major river) system. If water, rail, and road transfer was halted for a period of time, just think what economic impact that would have on ALL of us.

Human beings as a whole are like ants. Kick the heck out of their mound and watch them immediately and obsessively start rebuilding it.

castle-rock-clown wrote:

Human beings as a whole are like ants. Kick the heck out of their mound and watch them immediately and obsessively start rebuilding it.

I Think people are more like Ants in that if something or someone damages or hurts their mound, they lash out at everything and everyone around them. Rather they were the cause of the damage or hurt or not.

I don’t see it ever stopping. It can be detoured, slowed down, redirected but never stopped. The zealots in the middle east will always be here.

The sad thing is that these terrorists aren’t even raised in traditional Muslim upbringings, have very little knowledge of the Koran, and have spent little time in the Mosque. (kinda like how clan members who profess to be ultra Christian are certainly NOT at all)

Just wicked people trying to justify their actions of hate through some kind of ill-interpreted religious banter. We’ve gotta be able to make that distinction that these IS/Taliban/Al-Queda folks *really* aren’t Muslims (just like KKK and the Aryan Brotherhood, etc aren’t *really* practicing true Christianity)…otherwise we’re just perpetuating that same stupid hate and it only just gathers and rolls around and gains momentum like a dang snowball of nonsense. One of the French Police officers was a Muslim guy himself.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2901681/Hero-police-officer-executed-street-married-42-year-old-Muslim-assigned-patrol-Paris-neighbourhood-Charlie-Hebdo-offices-located.html

What a sad, senseless tragedy.

So go to your local church and ask the pastor if he is willing to say he condemns the “actions of” the KKK and the Aryan Brotherhood

Then go to your local mosque and ask the Imam if he is willing to say he condemns the “actions of” ISIS and AlQueda

Anyone who won’t is an Enabler to the perversion of their own religion.

Sad and senseless, yes. Preventable? Maybe…would it help if the French carried? Who knows. But I agree that we can’t go about this generalizing whole populations of people. Of course we know ALL muslims aren’t bad. In my eyes there’s 2 groups of people in this world;

people who are a-holes
people who are not

I would really hope that any pastor or imam would certainly do so. Otherwise they’re not really good representatives of their faiths, yeah?

Exactly, Nate. If they don’t condemn that type of stuff, then they shouldn’t be preachin.

Just a short time window in our history, And he list goes on and on and on….

Robert Mugabe
Vlad III
Kim Jong-Il
Idi Amin Dada
Vladimir Lenin
Emperor Hirohito
Koki Hirota
Leonid Ilyich Brezhnev
Chiang Kai-shek
Kaiser Wilhelm II
Ho Chi Minh
Yakubu Gowon
Mengistu Haile Mariam
Kim Il Sung
Saddam Hussein
Ismail Enver Pasha
Omar al-Bashir
Pol Pot
Yahya Khan
Nicholas II
Hideki Tojo
Josef Stalin
Leopold II
Mao Zedong
Adolf Hitler

I wonder if in other parts of the world Jefferson Davis or Abe Lincoln are on the same list? I wonder if the Bush boys made a list?

Something to think about.

Cain … the rest is history

Dutchboy wrote:

I wonder if in other parts of the world Jefferson Davis or Abe Lincoln are on the same list? I wonder if the Bush boys made a list?

Something to think about.

Definitely

jeff_huberty wrote:

Just a short time window in our history, And he list goes on and on and on….

Robert Mugabe
Vlad III
Kim Jong-Il
Idi Amin Dada
Vladimir Lenin
Emperor Hirohito
Koki Hirota
Leonid Ilyich Brezhnev
Chiang Kai-shek
Kaiser Wilhelm II
Ho Chi Minh
Yakubu Gowon
Mengistu Haile Mariam
Kim Il Sung
Saddam Hussein
Ismail Enver Pasha
Omar al-Bashir
Pol Pot
Yahya Khan
Nicholas II
Hideki Tojo
Josef Stalin
Leopold II
Mao Zedong
Adolf Hitler

Hitler according to data from modern historians (~ 30 million Soviets dead ~ 17+ civilians) was himself responsible for the deaths of > 60 million.
As bad as things are we have nothing to compare this catastrophe. I suppose Stalin and Mao are runners up each responsible for (20 to 40) million deaths.
Although the death of one innocent man, women or child is a tragedy.

It is a backward list,though he was the worst he belongs at the bottom.

Google any of those names and you will see similar statistics

Dutchboy wrote:

I wonder if in other parts of the world Jefferson Davis or Abe Lincoln are on the same list? I wonder if the Bush boys made a list?
Something to think about.

I was thinking the same thing…. a lot of foreign media pinned Americans in this manner following the decisions of the Bush camp. Agree or not, looking back, some of it was very ugly. There are great differences for sure, but extremism is dangerous in most settings and societies.

Today it just becomes global news so much faster… there is no time buffer to learn facts, or calm nerves.

Russia, North Korea, China and others now spin the US as anti-black, and on our way to a civil war. Media magnifies everything to sell. Countries and politicians do the same for their own agendas.

99.9% of people are good… and there will always be the others.

France, and all of Western Europe, are currently overwhelmed by the same problem that caused the Paris murders.

Within all Western European countries, to a greater or lesser extent are struggling with the paradoxes that they have produced by allowing the influx of large numbers of Muslim immigrants. The culture clash between European and Muslim views cannot be glossed over or ignored, but for the last 30 years, Europe has done just that–gloss over and ignore them.

Everywhere in Europe, this is now coming to a boil. There are anti-Muslim marches in Germany, Sweden, the UK, and other countries have seen the rise of nationalist and anti-immigrant parties.

On the other side, the Muslim populations within these countries have become increasingly radicalized, isolated, and hostile toward their own societies. The result is Paris, but that’s just the latest in a long series of violent acts committed by Muslims who cannot accept that in a free society, religious views do NOT trump societal values and create a license to commit murder.

The question that has to be answered is this: Can the demands of Islam and its followers ever be compatible with westernized cultural, political, and social norms?

Grouse

I’d like to see them tattoo allah being porked by a donkey on the terorist faces and send them back to some islamic state.

The remaining 2 at-large terrorists in France were, unsurprisingly, both just killed in a shootout with police. The hostage taker in the grocery store in Paris was also killed. No word yet on how many additional hostages were killed.

Grouse

Imagine there shock on the other side when allaah says, “Yeah, about that mohammed guy…yeah, less of a prophet and more of a schitzo, homophobic, chauvinist sociopath who liked to write. I kind of thought that was a little obvious, but yeah, no virgins here or anything. Ha, actually it is kind of funny that you think in heaven you would need 72 virgins. Come on man, it’s heaven.

“In any event you guys will want to take that elevator over there. Lets not make this any harder than it has to be.”

TheFamousGrouse wrote:

The question that has to be answered is this: Can the demands of Islam and its followers ever be compatible with westernized cultural, political, and social norms?

Grouse

Probably not. Hasn’t changed in hundreds of years.

suzuki wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>TheFamousGrouse wrote:</div>
The question that has to be answered is this: Can the demands of Islam and its followers ever be compatible with westernized cultural, political, and social norms?

Grouse

Probably not. Hasn’t changed in hundreds of years.

I don’t understand what the demands of Islam are that are not compatable?
As the Christian faith differs from the Jewish faith the Islam faith difffers the same. Thay all are similar to each other when you compare them to other.