What is with the Army Corps. of Eng.?

  • Mike Stephens
    WI.
    Posts: 1722
    #1640917

    With all the rain we have had this summer can someone explain to me why the Corps. hasn’t let the water through to the south on the Mississippi? I mean this is flippin ridiculous. When they get a chance let it through dam it. And there has been a few times where they could have but noooooooo. Dumb arses. end of rant.

    Tom Sawvell
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    #1640925

    I’d bet that the flooding in Louisiana has something to do with it. They’ve been hit big time this summer.

    targaman
    Inactive
    Wilton, WI
    Posts: 2759
    #1640926

    At the very least they could send it down to illinois.

    Tom Sawvell
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    #1640939

    lol….or Arkansas

    targaman
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    Wilton, WI
    Posts: 2759
    #1640941

    Nah let’s stick with Illinois. devil

    Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59992
    #1640968

    I’m not sure about where you’re at Mike but L&D #3 is going to be close to it’s record for having the rollers out of the water this year. Seems like in 2014 they made a record by being totally raised for 15 weeks.

    Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59992
    #1640970

    I’m not sure I would label them as “Dumb arses”.

    They have many more years of experience and much more information then we do.
    I would like to get one of the hydro geeks on here someday, but it’s hard to get people from agencies to jump into an open forum and dodge arrows.

    I’m still working on figuring out pivot points in a pool and how they can draw down the lower end of a pool by 8ish inches without drawing down other rivers that are connected and the rest of the pool.

    If I was to call them anything, it would be poor communicators but they seem to be working on that as well.

    Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59992
    #1641025

    It helps to have friends in low places… like at the Corp of Engineers. )

    Here’s the reply to the (edited) question from the Corps.

    “Hey Brian. The really short answer is that the dams on the Miss do nothing to hold back high water and the Corps does let it all through unless flows are very low (but I can’t even get half of my own family members to take my word for it). We really only hold back the low flows to maintain depth for navigation, but you already know that.

    One of the biggest factor is slope – if we did just pull all the gates, the water can only flow so fast downhill. And, if the water would flow out quickly the way he hopes it would (like it can do below major reservoirs), what about the guy downstream?

    On our big reservoirs we are always working hard to balance the high water damages upstream from the dam with the high flow damages downstream (and that mean property damage, and we spend a lot of time and money figuring that out).

    Most people only see and care about the high water where they stand.”

    Tom Sawvell
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    #1641027

    It helps to have friends in low places… like at the Corp of Engineers…. Most people only see and care about the high water where they stand.”

    Love it and oh, so true.

    Mike Stephens
    WI.
    Posts: 1722
    #1644856

    Here’s the reply to the (edited) question from the Corps.

    “Hey Brian. The really short answer is that the dams on the Miss do nothing to hold back high water and the Corps does let it all through unless flows are very low (but I can’t even get half of my own family members to take my word for it). We really only hold back the low flows to maintain depth for navigation, but you already know that.

    One of the biggest factor is slope – if we did just pull all the gates, the water can only flow so fast downhill. And, if the water would flow out quickly the way he hopes it would (like it can do below major reservoirs), what about the guy downstream?

    On our big reservoirs we are always working hard to balance the high water damages upstream from the dam with the high flow damages downstream (and that mean property damage, and we spend a lot of time and money figuring that out).

    Most people only see and care about the high water where they stand.”
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    Sorry but I’m not that gullible to believe that the ( Quote ) most importatant factor is slope. If that’s the case then why do you see the rollers on the dams fluctuate like the do??? The Corps ain’t blowing smoke up my shorts. I do take into account the levels all the way from Itasca Minn. to New Orleans Lo. when I do my research on levels of the Mississippi, and am not just concerned where I stand or recreate. I’m not that shallow thinking and nobody’s foolin this ole fool.

    Bassn Dan
    Posts: 977
    #1644866

    Anyone else notice that the flow in spring and summer goes from FLYING to dead still – with hardly any time in between. It used to be that there were weeks of moderate flows between high and low water, but the barges must like it dead slow – and it’s ALL about the barges.

    Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59992
    #1644884

    I’m not that shallow thinking and nobody’s foolin this ole fool.

    Nope you are correct.

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