What I learned about food plots this year.

  • TheFamousGrouse
    St. Paul, MN
    Posts: 11640
    #1717024

    My fall plots are all in the ground and it’s all done for 2017 except for a little bit of growing and a whole lot of hunting.

    After the constant work of the spring and summer, this is a nice point to take a breath and think about what I’ve learned this year.

    1. Yep! Deer STILL love a good clover plot. Everybody wants to talk about the “glam crops” these days. No doubt, the soybeans and corn bring in the deer, but they are also the most time and cost-intensive crops that most property managers will ever grow.

    My deer are currently HAMMERING a 1.5 acre plot of Mega Clover Plus clover blend (5 clover species plus chicory) that I fall-planted last year. They just can’t help themselves, it’s kind of like the salad bar at the steakhouse. There might be bigger and better things coming, but the deer have to at least have one pass through that young, tender clover and chicory every visit.

    Clover is the gift that keeps on giving for another reason–it lasts. My oldest clover plot will be 5 next spring and only then will it be ready for replacement. Spray your clover and keep the grass at bay, mow it, and it’ll just keep doing its thing and that frees up my time for the more work-intensive crops.

    2. It isn’t IF it’s going to break. It’s when and do you have the tools to fix it when it does? Food plotting is, essentially, small-scale farming and no matter what equipment you have, something’s going to bust. Sprayers are going to clog, tires are going to go flat, bolts are going to break, spark plugs are going to foul.

    When you’re food plotting, you’re usually in a time crunch. Trying to get something planted before it’s too late, trying to spray before it rains tomorrow, and so forth. Equipment breakdowns really hit hard.

    This year I proved to myself over and over again the value of having a good set of tools on-site. For example, on one occasion, the lever that controls the 3 point hitch on my tractor actually broke off. Fortunately, I was able to disassemble the dash panel on the old John Deere and we shortened, redrilled, and tapped the old lever. We reinstalled it and the wheels were turning again an hour later (Thanks Tegg!). Without a great set of tools that would not have been possible and it would have cost me a week of much-needed growing time on my biggest brassicas plot.

    Then later that same day, I put a rock through the front tire on the same tractor! Luckily the planting was done at this point. Up she went on a jack, gather some big blocks of wood, and both front tires came back to town with me for replacements.

    Of course, if you live at your property you have a big advantage in this department. I’m fortunate that I have a pretty safe location so I can leave tools at my property, but if you can’t do that, I’d suggest a couple of tool boxes that stay packed and ready so everything you need gets brought with ever time you go to work.

    3. Don’t plant more than the recommended amount of seed per acre! And for cripes sake, know your seeder settings!

    This one is especially embarrassing because I tell EVERYONE I sell seed to not to over-plant. Over and over again, I repeat this advice to every customer.

    So what did I do to my brassicas plot this year? Well, of course, I planted too much freaking seed in too small of an area!

    In my defense, it wasn’t for the usual reasons of not calculating the size of my plot and measuring out the appropriate amount of seed. I laid out too much seed because I bought a new broadcast seeder AFTER I had planted last year’s crop and I mistakenly used the seeder setting from the old seeder when I went to plant this year’s crop with the new unit. Guess what happened? You got it, the old seeder’s setting #7 was equal to the new seeder’s setting #4. I only realized that after making 2 passes and then it was too late.

    Don’t be that guy! Calculate your plot area by actually measuring it. Yes! With a tape measure! Not one of us in 100 can accurately look at a plot and estimate acerage to within an acceptable margin. Don’t even try.

    I use a shoulder bag broadcast seeder for everything except my biggest plots because it’s reliable and accurate. Yes, it’s more work, but I’ve never made any mistakes. And I’m telling you, even better is to apply at half the recommended rate and go over the plot twice. Had I done that, I would have seen my mistake even with the messed-up setting issue.

    I hope you had a great year of managing your property and I hope you can benefit from my learnings.

    What did you learn this year?

    Grouse

    hillhiker
    SE MN
    Posts: 1031
    #1717036

    I learned Sumac is possibly the hardest “weed” to kill. In fact we were almost completely unsuccessful, and that prevented us from adding the plot screen we had planned on. Maybe we will have better luck this fall/spring killing it. If we can get it killed there will be some type of plot screen going in next year around the entire plot. The deer really seem to avoid moving out of cover during day light being in a relatively residential area.

    Outside of that Grouse is 100% correct, the deer LOVE clover!

    Most of the plot is a clover wild flower mix for my dad’s bees, but the deer have been doing a heck of a job keeping the clover mowed down! This includes both the half acre of straight clover mix and the .75 of a acre of wild flower mix. The closest field is beans this year, and it’s completely yellowed now. We expect the pressure on the plot to really ramp up as soon as those beans come out. Hopefully the plot will hold up!

    TheFamousGrouse
    St. Paul, MN
    Posts: 11640
    #1717072

    I learned Sumac is possibly the hardest “weed” to kill. In fact we were almost completely unsuccessful, and that prevented us from adding the plot screen we had planned on.

    Have you tried Crossbow herbicide or the generic equivalent?

    Grouse

    sticker
    StillwaterMN/Ottertail county
    Posts: 4418
    #1717082

    I learned again that mother nature is in control. I planted part of my big plot in corn way too heavy on seed before I realized it, but I went heavy on urea and we got timely and plentiful rain and it looks great.

    Food plotting is an ever changing and learning game, when you think you have it figured out something will change. You have to adapt.

    sktrwx2200
    Posts: 727
    #1717107

    I learned that …………….
    I STILL have all glam plots and no clover plots.
    I tried to do a Half acre of “frost seeding” in MARCH into an grassy area that had alot of natural clover already…. BAAAAAAAAAAAA waste of money… seed never really found the dirt, and I can see now finally this fall that there is alot more clover in there.. but nothing that would be in any amount to actually be a destination for the deer. Need to not take the easy route and do it correctly. Thinking of next fall mid Aug. Maybe.

    I also learned that I need to fertilize my field corn plots.. I got “decent” corn.. but I could tell a huge difference in the ag field right next to it. Same seed, same planter, same day.. only difference… no fert. on mine.. But I still got golden goodness out there just not as much as Id like.

    Finally… I need to be planting MORE of the plot screen. Every year I have put it down I am more and more impressed with the stuff. It is crazy how fast this stuff gets to 12 ft. I will brainstorm while sitting in the stand more creative ways to use this awesome product. Last year the deer really comfortable coming into the plot earlier and it also shielded the trucks on the road from glassing deer on my property. It also acted as a snow fence to my soy bean plot. It was planted on the West border of the soy beans and it saved at least 1/4 acre of beans from being buried by that heavy wind snow event Mid November. Deer ate all the heads off at the end of the year. And the pheasants loved it.

    Final Finally, I have been keeping all my leftover seed in my deep freeze year to year. Sweet corn, monster magnet, clover, plot screen, and brassicas blend. I havent noticed any slow downs in germination year to year like I did when I let it sit in the shed all year.

    TheFamousGrouse
    St. Paul, MN
    Posts: 11640
    #1717111

    Finally… I need to be planting MORE of the plot screen. Every year I have put it down I am more and more impressed with the stuff. It is crazy how fast this stuff gets to 12 ft.

    What do you use? Egyptian wheat?

    Grouse

    Nitrodog
    Posts: 848
    #1717154

    I agree with Grouse you will break stuff. Putting in food plots is alot of work but is very rewarding. There are people out there with the same passion who are willing to help out.

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    sticker
    StillwaterMN/Ottertail county
    Posts: 4418
    #1717188

    Final Finally, I have been keeping all my leftover seed in my deep freeze year to year. Sweet corn, monster magnet, clover, plot screen, and brassicas blend. I havent noticed any slow downs in germination year to year like I did when I let it sit in the shed all year.

    Great tip on the seed storage. I keep mine in the crawl space of my house which gets zero sunlight and is at a fairly constant temp, usually cool to cold. I planted corn this year that has been stored for 6 plus years and had great germination. Beans on the other hand I don’t like to keep more than 2 years even in perfect storage conditions. The oil in the seed makes it go bad after some time, unlike corn seed.

    sktrwx2200
    Posts: 727
    #1717192

    The plot screen I use is a blend of 6 different sorghums, yes, one of them is Egyptian Wheat.

    Fridged Forage makes the product.

    It is AMAZING!!

    Randy Wieland
    Lebanon. WI
    Posts: 13477
    #1717195

    Grouse, just curious to know what the other significant food sources are within the range of the deer your targeting? I’ve had poor results with clover since we have a couple neighboring farms with way too much clover to compete with. I’ve had more success with other sources that don’t compete

    hillhiker
    SE MN
    Posts: 1031
    #1717211

    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>hillhiker wrote:</div>
    I learned Sumac is possibly the hardest “weed” to kill. In fact we were almost completely unsuccessful, and that prevented us from adding the plot screen we had planned on.

    Have you tried Crossbow herbicide or the generic equivalent?

    Grouse

    Thanks Grouse! I don’t remember the names of the different herbicides we have tried, but I will look into that one.

    TheFamousGrouse
    St. Paul, MN
    Posts: 11640
    #1717246

    Grouse, just curious to know what the other significant food sources are within the range of the deer your targeting? I’ve had poor results with clover since we have a couple neighboring farms with way too much clover to compete with. I’ve had more success with other sources that don’t compete

    I can understand that any crop would have limited attractiveness if it’s in the middle of a lot of the same thing.

    I’m in east central MN, east of Hinckley MN and this is mainly cattle country, Randy. The main field crops are various hay mixes including clover and then corn for silage.

    The silage corn will start disappearing about now, in fact. The deer can hang around cleaning up spillage, but for the most part that’s the end of corn for them. Nobody does corn for combining.

    Most hay/clover fields have seen their final cutting of the year. I might have a little competition for clover, but some years ago I had taken your advice and sectioned my plots into long strips, in my case about 1/3 of the plot per strip. Thank you for that piece of knowledge, BTW!

    So I’ve always got fresh, young clover and in this area at least, that’s the difference maker. Most farmers will replant once every 7 or 8 years. My oldest clover strip is 4 years, then a strip that’s 1 year, and my youngest strip just got planted 2 weeks ago. They definitely have a preference for the youngest of the plots and basically, clean them out in that order. They will only grudgingly eat the oldest plot after the other plots are mowed down to nothing.

    Even if attractiveness was marginal, I’d keep doing clover because of the workload reduction and nitrogen fixation. I just don’t have the time to go to all annual crops and the winters and terrain up there keep the plots wet in the spring. I can’t reliably turn dirt until late May at the earliest, there is too much clay and low ground, it stays too wet. If I get my tractor stuck it could be game over until late June the way things have gone the last 3-4 years with wet springs.

    I usually do a long strip of about 2.5 to 3 acres of brassicas blend in one big plot and now next year I’m going to plant Eagle Forage Soybeans in a big strip on my north plot. So with those 2 annuals, that’s about as much workload as I want for spring/summer planting, and then I usually do a rye or grain planting in the fall.

    Grouse

    Randy Wieland
    Lebanon. WI
    Posts: 13477
    #1717252

    That’s the beauty of enhancing nature, always learning!

    By me, most farms are roti g crops every 1 to 3 years. However, a lot of neighbors started to operate some large bee colonies and I’ve seen a huge increase of flowering crops, like clover. Definitely some distinct time periods throughout the year when the whitetail want those plants.

    With my limited time over the last couple years, I’ve had to simplify planting strategies. Bigger plots with less variety planted by a neighbor I have leased some crop land out to.

    This year my place will be lacking in sugar. So it will be interesting to see the differences year to date from last year over this winter

    TheFamousGrouse
    St. Paul, MN
    Posts: 11640
    #1717260

    Thanks Grouse! I don’t remember the names of the different herbicides we have tried, but I will look into that one.

    Yes, if you haven’t tried Crossbow (or the generics of same) I’ve heard that’s the go-to for Sumac and it’s specifically listed on the label. A lot of people really like Crossbow for woody brush control.

    The side benefit to Crossbow is that it does not kill grasses, only broadleafs. I’ve used it to knock down raspberry on fencelines and it really nukes this stuff without killing the grass and leaving a “dead zone” that is erosion prone and looks bad.

    Look it up and if you haven’t tried it, this would be the one I’d try unless someone has a better alternative.

    Grouse

    sticker
    StillwaterMN/Ottertail county
    Posts: 4418
    #1717263

    We have 55 acres of beautiful prime alfalfa surrounded by 7 clover plots. The clover plots are still constantly being chewed on by the deer. That being said, there is no ag clover in the area that I know of, mostly row crops. I will never be without a good amount of clover plots.

    Sam
    St.Francis
    Posts: 384
    #1717932

    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>TheFamousGrouse wrote:</div>

    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>hillhiker wrote:</div>
    I learned Sumac is possibly the hardest “weed” to kill. In fact we were almost completely unsuccessful, and that prevented us from adding the plot screen we had planned on.

    Have you tried Crossbow herbicide or the generic equivalent?

    Grouse

    Thanks Grouse! I don’t remember the names of the different herbicides we have tried, but I will look into that one.

    Crossbow or tordon rtu will kill it crossbow would be easier but tordon would be cheaper one thing I found was a hot product was a conditioner called powerhouse

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