I see no forums for crow and I’m really looking forward to some crow sets. Yesterday I got permission from a farmer to literaly hunt a city shooting boundry for hundreds of crows never hunted. I can’t wait. We normally do crow shoots where ever we go grouse hunting or just crows themselves for something to do around here. I just got into it heavy last year after a friend introduced me to electronic callers. WOW!! If you have used them you know what I mean. I’ve even had luck with a mouth call. Anyone else out there into crow shooting??
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nubbinbuckPosts: 922nubbinbuckPosts: 922August 25, 2004 at 3:59 pm #3016
Thanks for the pitty reply. Apparently no crow hunters around here.
August 25, 2004 at 3:59 pm #318790Thanks for the pitty reply. Apparently no crow hunters around here.
August 25, 2004 at 4:32 pm #3020Please tell me you don’t eat them!!! I’ve watched the shows from down south where the good old boys call them in and shoot them. I just couldn’t bring myself to eat something I’ve watched eat road kill so often.
I think we have all eaten a lot of crow in our day, just not the feathered version.
August 25, 2004 at 4:32 pm #318799Please tell me you don’t eat them!!! I’ve watched the shows from down south where the good old boys call them in and shoot them. I just couldn’t bring myself to eat something I’ve watched eat road kill so often.
I think we have all eaten a lot of crow in our day, just not the feathered version.
August 25, 2004 at 9:12 pm #3048Well I just picked up this sport last year as well. Got a western rivers “varmiter” mp3 e-caller and it’s the cats a$$. Man that thing screams. Only had a few set ups cause I bought it towards the end of the season but 1 day in about 3 hours me and my buddy shot like 10 or 12 of them….Nothing like good ol’ fashioned “crow” pie, just like grandma used to make.
August 25, 2004 at 9:12 pm #318864Well I just picked up this sport last year as well. Got a western rivers “varmiter” mp3 e-caller and it’s the cats a$$. Man that thing screams. Only had a few set ups cause I bought it towards the end of the season but 1 day in about 3 hours me and my buddy shot like 10 or 12 of them….Nothing like good ol’ fashioned “crow” pie, just like grandma used to make.
August 25, 2004 at 9:33 pm #3052I watched a hunting show where they were shooting crows out of almond groves in California. They breasted out the crows and grilled them up and carried on about how good they were.
None for me thanks.
August 25, 2004 at 9:33 pm #318873I watched a hunting show where they were shooting crows out of almond groves in California. They breasted out the crows and grilled them up and carried on about how good they were.
None for me thanks.
August 26, 2004 at 2:39 am #3067CrowBusters <——- I know I’ve posted this link before, but it’s worth a look for anyone who hasn’t seen it.
YES, I HUNT CROWS……AND YES, I’VE EATEN ONE!!! (only one)
August 26, 2004 at 2:39 am #318904CrowBusters <——- I know I’ve posted this link before, but it’s worth a look for anyone who hasn’t seen it.
YES, I HUNT CROWS……AND YES, I’VE EATEN ONE!!! (only one)
August 26, 2004 at 2:36 pm #3070Nubbin, I just wanted to say, I got your joke
Apparently some missed that one
August 26, 2004 at 2:36 pm #318964Nubbin, I just wanted to say, I got your joke
Apparently some missed that one
August 26, 2004 at 6:03 pm #3075OK, I’m going to share a story about a friend from my younger less intelligent days. He was driving along looking for the next spot to setup for some dove hunting. The little stock ponds were great places to blast doves in Sept. There always seemed to be a tree or two near by, so it was perfect place for doves.
Anyway, as he was traveling down the road, he sees a crow sitting on top of a sunflower head out there about 35 yards. He decides to stop and take a pot shot at it with #9 shot. Well, his first shot only spooked the bird. At the same time the sky errupted, must have been 200 of them sitting in the sunflowers. He proceeded to unload the remainder of his shells into the flock as fast as he could pump his shotgun. Needless to say, crows could be seen falling from the sky as far as a half mile away as they flew off. He estimated he got about 15-20.
That’s my idea of crow hunting.
August 26, 2004 at 6:03 pm #319006OK, I’m going to share a story about a friend from my younger less intelligent days. He was driving along looking for the next spot to setup for some dove hunting. The little stock ponds were great places to blast doves in Sept. There always seemed to be a tree or two near by, so it was perfect place for doves.
Anyway, as he was traveling down the road, he sees a crow sitting on top of a sunflower head out there about 35 yards. He decides to stop and take a pot shot at it with #9 shot. Well, his first shot only spooked the bird. At the same time the sky errupted, must have been 200 of them sitting in the sunflowers. He proceeded to unload the remainder of his shells into the flock as fast as he could pump his shotgun. Needless to say, crows could be seen falling from the sky as far as a half mile away as they flew off. He estimated he got about 15-20.
That’s my idea of crow hunting.
nubbinbuckPosts: 922August 27, 2004 at 3:18 pm #3099For the people who didn’t catch on… you know who you are.
EATING CROW
And other indigestibles
When you have made a serious error and need to acknowledge it humbly, it is highly probable that the expression you use to describe the process has something to do with food.
The best-known traditional expression of this type in the US is to eat crow. The origin seems fairly obvious: the meat of the crow, being a carnivore, is presumably rank and extremely distasteful, and the experience is easily equated to the mental anguish of being forced to admit one’s fallibility. But you may understand that my desire for accuracy has not led me so far as trying the experiment for myself, though taking a line through rook pie, which I tried once at an over-enthusiastic historical reconstruction, it seems a reasonable assumption. We need someone like the eccentric Victorian surgeon Frank Buckland, founder of the London Acclimatisation Society—dedicated to introducing useful new plants and animals into countries where they were unknown—whose hobby was eating his way through the animal kingdom, trying out delicacies such as roast giraffe and elephant trunk soup. He once returned from holiday to find that a leopard at the London Zoo had died and been interred in a flower bed; seizing a spade, he immediately dug it up to try it. He is on record as remarking that “the very worst thing he ever ate was a mole”, but I can’t find out what he thought of crows. Volunteers to make empirical observations should form an orderly queue.
An article published in the Atlanta Constitution in 1888 claims that, towards the end of the war of 1812, an American went hunting and by accident crossed behind the British lines, where he shot a crow. He was caught by a British officer, who, complimenting him on his fine shooting, persuaded him to hand over his gun. This officer then levelled his gun and said that as a punishment the American must take a bite of the crow. The American obeyed, but when the British officer returned his gun he took his revenge by making him eat the rest of the bird. This is such an inventive novelisation of the phrase’s etymology that it seems a shame to point out that the original expression is not recorded until the 1850s, and that its original form was to eat boiled crow, whereas the story makes no mention of boiling the bird.
The British English equivalent is eating humble pie, which contains two ideas rolled in together, a portmanteau dish. The original umbles were the innards of the deer: the liver, heart, entrails and other second-class bits. It was common practice in medieval times to serve a pie made of these parts of the animal to the servants and others who would be sitting at the lower tables in the lord’s hall. Pepys mentions it in his diary for 8 July 1663: “Mrs Turner came in and did bring us an Umble-pie hot out of her oven, extraordinarily good”. However, it seems it was not until the nineteenth century that the expression humble pie appeared in the sense we now know, and some have reasoned that it did so as a deliberate play on words. If so, it was a very small play. The word umbles is a variant form of an old French term noumbles, (originally from Latin lumulus, a diminutive of lumbus, from which we also get loin and lumbar); umbles seems to be derived from numbles by the process called metanalysis which, for example, turned a norange into an orange; umbles also sometimes appeared in medieval times and later in the form humbles. Contrariwise, the word humble (originally from the Latin humilem from which we also get humility) was frequently spelt and pronounced “umble” from medieval times right down to the nineteenth century. So the figurative sense of umble pie could have appeared at almost any time since the medieval period; indeed, so close is the association that it is surprising that the OED’s first citation dates only from 1830.
The phrase to eat dirt, first attested in the 1850s, expresses the same idea as to eat crow and to eat humble pie. The oldest of them, and most probably the source of all the others, is to eat one’s words, which first appears in print in 1571 in one of John Calvin’s tracts, on Psalm 62: “God eateth not his words when he hath once spoken”.
Whilst we are on the subject of consuming unconsumables: the expression to eat one’s hat, expressing one’s complete confidence in the outcome being described—“if that horse doesn’t win, I’ll eat my hat”—dates in this form only from 1836, when it appeared in Charles Dickens’ Pickwick Papers: “If I knew as little of life as that, I’d eat my hat and swallow the buckle whole”. According to the OED, the phrase used to appear sometimes in the form eat old Rowley’s hat, though I’ve never seen it and the OED has no citations for it. Old Rowley was the name of Charles II’s favourite horse, a name that was transferred to the monarch himself, though why his hat should be especially favoured in idiomatic history is a mystery. There were earlier expressions invoking one’s hat in support of some assertion: by my hat (which turns up in Love’s Labour Lost), my hat to a halfpenny, and I’ll bet a hat, so it is possible that Dickens’ formation may draw on one or other of these and on the then newish eat humble pie.
To eat one’s heart out, “to worry excessively”, is a vivid figurative description which also evokes the often intensely physical symptoms of worry, actually predates the English language, since it turns up in Homer’s Odyssey (about 850 BC) and in writings by Pythagoras four hundred years later. Some proverbial sayings have a very long history indeed.
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Page created 25 July 1996; last updated 6 August 2003.nubbinbuckPosts: 922August 27, 2004 at 3:18 pm #319147For the people who didn’t catch on… you know who you are.
EATING CROW
And other indigestibles
When you have made a serious error and need to acknowledge it humbly, it is highly probable that the expression you use to describe the process has something to do with food.
The best-known traditional expression of this type in the US is to eat crow. The origin seems fairly obvious: the meat of the crow, being a carnivore, is presumably rank and extremely distasteful, and the experience is easily equated to the mental anguish of being forced to admit one’s fallibility. But you may understand that my desire for accuracy has not led me so far as trying the experiment for myself, though taking a line through rook pie, which I tried once at an over-enthusiastic historical reconstruction, it seems a reasonable assumption. We need someone like the eccentric Victorian surgeon Frank Buckland, founder of the London Acclimatisation Society—dedicated to introducing useful new plants and animals into countries where they were unknown—whose hobby was eating his way through the animal kingdom, trying out delicacies such as roast giraffe and elephant trunk soup. He once returned from holiday to find that a leopard at the London Zoo had died and been interred in a flower bed; seizing a spade, he immediately dug it up to try it. He is on record as remarking that “the very worst thing he ever ate was a mole”, but I can’t find out what he thought of crows. Volunteers to make empirical observations should form an orderly queue.
An article published in the Atlanta Constitution in 1888 claims that, towards the end of the war of 1812, an American went hunting and by accident crossed behind the British lines, where he shot a crow. He was caught by a British officer, who, complimenting him on his fine shooting, persuaded him to hand over his gun. This officer then levelled his gun and said that as a punishment the American must take a bite of the crow. The American obeyed, but when the British officer returned his gun he took his revenge by making him eat the rest of the bird. This is such an inventive novelisation of the phrase’s etymology that it seems a shame to point out that the original expression is not recorded until the 1850s, and that its original form was to eat boiled crow, whereas the story makes no mention of boiling the bird.
The British English equivalent is eating humble pie, which contains two ideas rolled in together, a portmanteau dish. The original umbles were the innards of the deer: the liver, heart, entrails and other second-class bits. It was common practice in medieval times to serve a pie made of these parts of the animal to the servants and others who would be sitting at the lower tables in the lord’s hall. Pepys mentions it in his diary for 8 July 1663: “Mrs Turner came in and did bring us an Umble-pie hot out of her oven, extraordinarily good”. However, it seems it was not until the nineteenth century that the expression humble pie appeared in the sense we now know, and some have reasoned that it did so as a deliberate play on words. If so, it was a very small play. The word umbles is a variant form of an old French term noumbles, (originally from Latin lumulus, a diminutive of lumbus, from which we also get loin and lumbar); umbles seems to be derived from numbles by the process called metanalysis which, for example, turned a norange into an orange; umbles also sometimes appeared in medieval times and later in the form humbles. Contrariwise, the word humble (originally from the Latin humilem from which we also get humility) was frequently spelt and pronounced “umble” from medieval times right down to the nineteenth century. So the figurative sense of umble pie could have appeared at almost any time since the medieval period; indeed, so close is the association that it is surprising that the OED’s first citation dates only from 1830.
The phrase to eat dirt, first attested in the 1850s, expresses the same idea as to eat crow and to eat humble pie. The oldest of them, and most probably the source of all the others, is to eat one’s words, which first appears in print in 1571 in one of John Calvin’s tracts, on Psalm 62: “God eateth not his words when he hath once spoken”.
Whilst we are on the subject of consuming unconsumables: the expression to eat one’s hat, expressing one’s complete confidence in the outcome being described—“if that horse doesn’t win, I’ll eat my hat”—dates in this form only from 1836, when it appeared in Charles Dickens’ Pickwick Papers: “If I knew as little of life as that, I’d eat my hat and swallow the buckle whole”. According to the OED, the phrase used to appear sometimes in the form eat old Rowley’s hat, though I’ve never seen it and the OED has no citations for it. Old Rowley was the name of Charles II’s favourite horse, a name that was transferred to the monarch himself, though why his hat should be especially favoured in idiomatic history is a mystery. There were earlier expressions invoking one’s hat in support of some assertion: by my hat (which turns up in Love’s Labour Lost), my hat to a halfpenny, and I’ll bet a hat, so it is possible that Dickens’ formation may draw on one or other of these and on the then newish eat humble pie.
To eat one’s heart out, “to worry excessively”, is a vivid figurative description which also evokes the often intensely physical symptoms of worry, actually predates the English language, since it turns up in Homer’s Odyssey (about 850 BC) and in writings by Pythagoras four hundred years later. Some proverbial sayings have a very long history indeed.
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Page created 25 July 1996; last updated 6 August 2003.August 30, 2004 at 1:04 am #3110As a matter of fact, I was out hunting them just last weekend! My brothers, friends and I all hunt crows. March is the best though. After being limited to coyote/fox hunting and/or staring down a frozen ice hole all winter, crow hunting is a great change-up! Another good thing is that everyone seems to give you permission to hunt them in March. When your standing in their doorway asking for permission to hunt ….they all think you’re cazy – especially when dressed in white camo and the temp is near 0. They are one smart bird though! One can usually find numerous crow hunting tourneys in western MN during March too. …..Lots of other crazies out there doing the same thing!! CAW-CAW-CAAAWWWW.
SplitshotAugust 30, 2004 at 1:04 am #319340As a matter of fact, I was out hunting them just last weekend! My brothers, friends and I all hunt crows. March is the best though. After being limited to coyote/fox hunting and/or staring down a frozen ice hole all winter, crow hunting is a great change-up! Another good thing is that everyone seems to give you permission to hunt them in March. When your standing in their doorway asking for permission to hunt ….they all think you’re cazy – especially when dressed in white camo and the temp is near 0. They are one smart bird though! One can usually find numerous crow hunting tourneys in western MN during March too. …..Lots of other crazies out there doing the same thing!! CAW-CAW-CAAAWWWW.
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