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It is obvious that it does happen time in and time out and the rules are not in place to help solve the problem.

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If these “cheaters” are not breaking any rules, how is it cheating??

Again, I’m not defending anyone, but the argument has been hashed over and over and over. If you feel so strongly, write your letters to the FLW and to Sonny. Make your voice heard!! If they don’t implement rules to combat this so called cheating, well, don’t spend your money on that circuit. Everyone has the same set of rules that are published on their website. You have ample time to read and interpret the rules in order to make an educated decision whether to join that circuit or not.

I just want to state for the record, I’ve made some assumptions in my above posts(innocent until proven guilty by the tourney director) and don’t have a clue what happened on the river last week.

However, I will stand by the if rules aren’t in place to combat this, were they really cheating??

Maybe this is finally the straw that will force tourney directors to address this issue formally?? Hopefully Sonny and the FLW will realize with participants down, any negative publicity will not help their cause. I wonder how AIM is handling this issue since it’s run by anglers whom I know want to see this issue addressed??

I’m done posting on this thread, simply because assuming is probably gonna lead me to sounding like an Oh wait, I do most of the time anyway.

Kooty,
I don’t call it cheating , I call it lack of ethics. I have my own way of dealing with tail pipers. Trust me they do learn after a few times of confrontation. The only way to deal with this kind of action is head on. Eventually they learn to stay away.

RG, old school. Best way to handle things if you ask me!! Unfortunately lawyers have ruined that for us.

What is tailpiping exactly??? Far as ethics go, that is a personal assumption and set of rules we personally make up and then decide to force the rest of the world to follow.

Since I fish pool 4 ALOT, and know all these spots but do not have a week or two to prefish nor do I personally know any other competiters nor have any networking, would I get accused of tailpiping or nosing in on others spots???

Was it not case that the FLW field was not full and was it not true that even I could have paid my money and fished the Tour event? Far as I know, other than going thru thru the right channels, abiding by their critera and becoming an FLW member anyone can fish the Tour events as an angler.

Like said before, if you really want a spot to yourself, anchor up and throw the bouy-otherwise the great thing about the waters in WI and MN–no one owns them.

If this is a real issue, then the FLW should come up with a set of rules to address it–quit using the word ethics which is very subjective and open to interpretation.

Where the heck is that book called “code of ethics”?

Jeremy

Doc, what is at issue here is the practice of hawking spots when one sees fish caught and horns in on the spot with little or no regard for the people who established the pattern during prefishing. Many of these anglers have been prefishing these areas and knows who has and has not been in there.Say day 1 a guy pulls heavy poundage, and the next day a guy or team who did not fish there prior squeeze in and take over that spot. There are some anglers who have developed a reputation for tailpiping on the FLW and PWT. What makes it even more evident is when their team mates are also brought in to fish these areas effectively squeezing out anglers who have been working an established pattern. Your example would not be one of tailpiping as you described it. What is being referred to here is a practice used by certain anglers over a period of time and seem to be well known for this kind of conduct.

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Doc, what is at issue here is the practice of hawking spots when one sees fish caught and horns in on the spot with little or no regard for the people who established the pattern during prefishing. Many of these anglers have been prefishing these areas and knows who has and has not been in there.Say day 1 a guy pulls heavy poundage, and the next day a guy or team who did not fish there prior squeeze in and take over that spot. There are some anglers who have developed a reputation for tailpiping on the FLW and PWT. What makes it even more evident is when their team mates are also brought in to fish these areas effectively squeezing out anglers who have been working an established pattern. Your example would not be one of tailpiping as you described it. What is being referred to here is a practice used by certain anglers over a period of time and seem to be well known for this kind of conduct.

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Point taken Tuck, that is why the boater better make the day count like Zakowski did and/or have multiple spots to fish. Spots turn on/off, there today, gone tomorrow… What about the guy that wanted to fish the spot but couldn’t get in but new fish were there? The day of letting a guy run away w/ a tournament like Jason P did 2 years ago are far gone. While I understand your point we are not fishing for chump change.

Lazyeyes the ethics come into play when someone try’s to push you off a spot or runs over your lines and gets tangled up. I am sure by now every spot on the river has been fished at one time or another. I am not debating people fishing spots. The issue is getting too close and causing problems and doing it on purpose just to see how you are catching the fish. I am sure if I were to anchor within a couple of feet of your boat you would be slightly irritated, just like most would, but you know I could just say, you don’t own the water and fish anyways.

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Lazyeyes the ethics come into play when someone try’s to push you off a spot or runs over your lines and gets tangled up. I am sure by now every spot on the river has been fished at one time or another. I am not debating people fishing spots. The issue is getting too close and causing problems and doing it on purpose just to see how you are catching the fish. I am sure if I were to anchor within a couple of feet of your boat you would be slightly irritated, just like most would, but you know I could just say, you don’t own the water and fish anyways.

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If intended that is wrong. Time to let the post die…

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Doc, what is at issue here is the practice of hawking spots when one sees fish caught and horns in on the spot with little or no regard for the people who established the pattern during prefishing. Many of these anglers have been prefishing these areas and knows who has and has not been in there.Say day 1 a guy pulls heavy poundage, and the next day a guy or team who did not fish there prior squeeze in and take over that spot. There are some anglers who have developed a reputation for tailpiping on the FLW and PWT. What makes it even more evident is when their team mates are also brought in to fish these areas effectively squeezing out anglers who have been working an established pattern. Your example would not be one of tailpiping as you described it. What is being referred to here is a practice used by certain anglers over a period of time and seem to be well known for this kind of conduct.

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Well stated! The parties involved have written letters to those who need to know. Let the cards fall where they may!

Before posting on these sites I would suggest fishing a 2-3 day tourney you can not fish all your spots in one day like tommarow in the MWC Tourney I plan on fishing a differnent spot than I fished today because of wind issues Now maybe someone pulled big lbs off that spot today, I don’t know but hey weather permits in the morning I am there I prefished there I have every right to be there. TailPiping you be the judge but untill you have fished at this level, I would suggest keeping an open mind