Water levels – bite?

  • mkrakau
    Waukee, IA
    Posts: 53
    #1331915

    Have been planning to make the first P4 trip of the year this weekend and it looks like the water levels are predicted to rise significantly. What effect will this have on the bite? How will the higher water levels change locations/presentations?

    I’ve been making trips to P4 for the last 3 years and haven’t fished it at the predicted levels. Any help is appreciated – what can I expect? Thanks and maybe we’ll see some of you this weekend!

    -Mark Krakau

    tee
    kasson , mn
    Posts: 14
    #761862

    Hay Mark I was thinking the samething this morning. The kid & I want to come up Friday.

    mountain man
    Coon Valley, WI.
    Posts: 1419
    #761984

    Probably one of the hardest sought after skills in fishing is understanding how to react to changing levels/clarity/flow. After 51 years of it, to answer your question completely would take me hours and probably more than 20 pages…so here”s links to past Ido threads

    Much of walleye fishing is about flow/level/clarity of water… and eating and breeding… yeah fronts and barometer and others are factors… but to answer your question I will have to assume at least some parts of the puzzle so I will assume the weather conditions are relatively stable…on this upcoming weekend it appears that we will fall back into the winter, but in past years this close to the spawn that usually is more a matter of human comfort than walleye comfort.

    http://www.idofishing.com/forum/showflat.php?Cat=0&Board=eye&Number=639981&Forum

    FISHING IT HIGH AND MUDDY

    Over the last six monthes guiding on both the Mississippi, and the Wisconsin river we have had more than our share of high and muddy water. The same techniques have yeilded fish again and again. There are some subtle differences between the Miss and WI. rivers, but I will cover first the similarities. With out exception the keys have been , get out of the main current, and slow down(using rigging /Jigging technique mentioned above), and go to live bait. I am talking about walleye here, it seems like the bass locations don’t change as much, they are just harder to fish. In the spring it was minnows on both the bottom jig and the bare hook, and now it seems crawlers on the bare hook and nothing on the jig(Taylor Tackle Walleye Killer), or crawler on both. You will see me use crawlers instead of leechs,or willow cats, for two simple reasons . The crawlers are picked in my back yard, and I rarely notice a difference,or preference for one of the other two. Trust me I double check that theory often and prefishing every tourney. I pretty much have covered the presentation in the techniques above, but what do I mean by out of the current. Most people would generalize this by saying any area adjacent to the current that either has a decreased flow or actually current running the opposite direction(back eddy). I would have to agree with the above, but let me be a little more specific. I have found that it must be very near the main current though. The four best locations I have found are, in my order of preference….. #1-Cuts or ditches… small to medium dents(the face or opening) in the shoreline that are partially protected from the main current,examples would include the thirty or so small little side inlets and tiny bays that you find in Minnesota slough(pool nine) or as far as that goes anywhere on the Mississippi. On the Wisconsin river these little pockets sometimes are only fishible when the water is high, since many of them are normally bone dry. I’m not talking about sloughs and running sloughes themselves here(just the cuts and ditches along them) , I will get to them in a minute. #2-On any river you will see areas where a point, island, or man made structure leaves an area behind it that is slower current and often a back eddy. In spring it is often the spawning flats ,and the rest of the year it is more productive when it is associated with riprap or rocky/shelly bottom. In all these cases a casual trip or two up through these areas will tell you whether there are fish biting there or not. Flooded timber with an opening downriver gives you almost the same effect.(both of these locations will sound very familiar to my guide customers). The best example I can think of as to how important fishing this location( AREA PROTECTED BY A POINT) , would be the USFA Division Championship in Rock Island(Davenport). Steve and Tom brought in 27 lbs for six fish from exactly this type of location, with huge flood conditions and water you couldn’t see your finger in. The next two locations are primarily Mississipi river locations. #3- The mouthes of running sloughes in general will hold walleye in high and muddy water. Your looking for the upriver corner first , because it is blocked from heavy current ,by a closing dam plus the upriver point at the opening. There are many places up and down the Mississippi that seem to only hold good numbers of fish that meet this discription, when the water is high and muddy, and many of you know some of them hold fish all year round. On the Wisconsin these areas are more commonly creek inlets,where the runoff has already worked through, but the main channel is still high and muddy. An example would be just north of Sandy Banks on Petenwell flowage. #4- As Steve Richards and I saw yesterday the main current of running sloughes are often just as hard to fish as the main channel,(mostly floating weeds), but in general the current is often enough slower than the main channel to hold a lot more catchable fish than the main channel. Also the back water inlets and running sloughes are usually filled with turns and bends that all leave slower fishable water behind them. Hope this narrows down your hunting in High and Muddy water.

    Sorry I had to copy and paste just parts of the second link… it included references to our guide pages and guide website which is not allowed here when yu are not on staff.

    Dean Marshall
    Chippewa Falls WI /Ramsey MN
    Posts: 5854
    #762222

    Be flexible as to possible rigging,ie 3way rigs and bait,or F7 rapalas. Vertical jigging has just been plain tough as of late. The first hour of the day and last hour of the day does produce a decent pitching bite shallow.One of the most under fished presentations when the bite is tough, is a plain ol hook & splitshot rig with a minnow.The current seams will be very easy to identify and the rising water levels will just concentrate the fish closer to the bank.

    mountain man
    Coon Valley, WI.
    Posts: 1419
    #762226

    Any ripe females yet????

    Dean Marshall
    Chippewa Falls WI /Ramsey MN
    Posts: 5854
    #762240

    Every fish I have seen appear very hard.Seems as if the fisherman are ready but the fish arent!

    Jesse Krook
    Y.M.H.
    Posts: 6403
    #762292

    Quote:


    Every fish I have seen appear very hard.Seems as if the fisherman are ready but the fish arent!


    I know I am more than ready. Just like always ….waiting for the female to be ready

    joe-winter
    St. Peter, MN
    Posts: 1281
    #762454

    Dean

    when you say the ole split shot and minnow deal, do you fish it vertically or “drag” along the current seam? also what kind of traffic difference do you think it will be this Sunday vs this coming Monday? I’ll be down there one of those days and would like to try out that Extreme 68mlxf rod . thanks

    Dean Marshall
    Chippewa Falls WI /Ramsey MN
    Posts: 5854
    #762494

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    Dean

    when you say the ole split shot and minnow deal, do you fish it vertically or “drag” along the current seam? also what kind of traffic difference do you think it will be this Sunday vs this coming Monday? I’ll be down there one of those days and would like to try out that Extreme 68mlxf rod . thanks


    I would suggest anchoring and casting it. 100 % focus on presentation not to be distracted by boat control.Dragging can be effective as well.Traffic probably will be lighter on Monday.However, the slow bite reports will definitely reduce traffic on Sunday as well.

    joe-winter
    St. Peter, MN
    Posts: 1281
    #762559

    Thanks Dean, will see ya later this weekend. gotta get the boat ready and rig up some 3-ways.

    thanks again

    mkrakau
    Waukee, IA
    Posts: 53
    #762728

    Great info here – Thanks, guys!

    Got the boat ready to go tonight. Only a couple more days!

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