Basic three-way set-up

  • TROUTMAN
    S.E.Minnesota
    Posts: 304
    #1328542

    Could someone go over a basic three-way set-up for me?What I’m looking for is,typical swivel to bell sinker lengths,swivel to hook lengths,sinker weights and different bait presentations(hooks,stickbaits,Phelps floaters)that you use and maybe times of year that one may out produce another.I know this topic has been covered here before and I should have printed it off then but,I didn’t and now the old memory is a bit hazy on the subject.Thanks for your help,Mike

    Dave Koonce
    Moderator
    Prairie du Chien Wi.
    Posts: 6946
    #272065

    Here is a pic James created a while back on a thread called 3-ways and cranks…Try out the search too and type in 3-ways and see all the posts you get…There has been a lot of talk about that here..

    TROUTMAN
    S.E.Minnesota
    Posts: 304
    #272087

    Thanks ec.I did that and it was a big help.However,I can’t seem to find anything pertaining to sinker size.What I’d like to know is,what weight do you find yourself using most often and how do you know when you’ve got the right weight on?I know this will vary given the current or lack of but,is there a particular weight size you find yourself using during “normal” flow more than others?also,what about these “snagless” sinkers that Lindy came out with a couple of years ago?Ever use them or have any thoughts about them?Thanks,Mike

    mountain man
    Coon Valley, WI.
    Posts: 1419
    #272091

    THREE WAY CRANKS

    THREE WAY CRANKS For those of you not familiar with this technique, I will try to explain it. First it is a very accurate form of trolling. By that I mean a person can very easily position their lure in the walleye-sauger strike zone, again and again. Heres how you do it. First the equipment I most often use with this technique: A bait casting or trolling rod and an Abu Garcia 6500 C3 reel, Trilene 10# XT, and 1-5 oz bell,or pencil sinker, Rapala Original floaters, or husky jerks. Attach one eye of the threeway swivel to the line coming from you rod. Then to one eye of the three way tie about a 24(about 18 inches after tieing and cutting) inch piece of line to a snap swivel and put the sinker on it. This seems to be the universal drop length. (18inches) I’ll explain why later. Then to the third and last eye of the threeway swivel attach about 45 inches of line(40 inches when tied and cut). then attach another snap swivel to this 40 inches of line and place your crank bait on it. Now drop your rig into the water with your boat going the speed you intend to be moving and in the depth you intend to use as your goal,(more about speed and depth latter). Let the line free spool backward until you see the line (sinker) hit bottom. NOW COMES THE SECRET TO BEING RIGHT WHERE YOU WANT TO BE!!!!!! AFTER THE SINKER touched the bottom it almost immediately is lifted off the bottom by hydraulics and forward momentum. You must continue letting more line out again and again until you can drop the tip of your pole backwards three times and see the sinker put slack in the line all three times.(consecutively..in a row-WITH THE BAIL CLOSED). Trust me two times is not enough. Now if you put your rod in the rod holder or hold it in your hand when you come over little bumps or over shallower depths you will see the sinker bumping the bottom. There are several reasons why I say that a 18″ drop and 40″ leader are the universal depth and lenghth. With thousands of hours using this technique I have found that the 18 inch drop and 40inch length puts the bait where the walleye will see it and it will still snag less often than a lesser drop does. My snag up over the same area on the same day seems to almost double when I drop to 12 inches or less(the distance from the threeway swivel to the sinker),even when I adjust the leader lenghth, and the 12 -16 inch lenghth seems to snag more also. Remember we have two things that can snag here. The crankbait and the sinker. Now I know somebody out there is saying why not use a bottom bouncer to avoid snags. I have found that the bulk of the bottom bouncer and it’s design snag almost as much and collect weeds,many times faster, on rivers.. One thing I should point out right now is that with a three way you actually have direct connection to the lure(bait). With a bottom bouncer you don’t. This becomes very evident when the rod is held in your hand while trolling or the second you lift the Bottom bouncer out of the water with a fish on. With regards to speed (slooooow), and depth 11-20 ft. I try to barely make any progress upstream. A football field on most days would take me 45 minutes. Although a lot of people speed up as the weather warms I don’t. Even on lakes and flowages with little current. The rare ocassion is when I’ve lost track of the herd for a while and speed up till I find the fish back. Even then I rarely move much faster than 3/4 miles per hour. When Tony and I won the Mississippi North Regional Championship on Pepin in JUNE we STILL MOVED SLOWLY. When we wanted to move faster we went to Leadcore or longlining cranks. Depth is a deep subject LOL. When I was a young squirt I remember being told that the first major drop from shore holds the most Eyes on the river. Darn it seems like it is almost always 12-18 feet. In our second place finish At the 1999 National Championship on the Rainey River,(Lake of the Woods), we rarely left the 16 -18 foot range. If we moved up off that break it was all No. Pike, and if we when out to the next drop it was all sturgeon. Sinkers are the last item I should cover here. Any day anything from 2-5 ounces will catch fish. In general the shallower you are the lighter you go. Also I usually rig the poles straight out the back of the boat one ounce lighter to get it back a little farther, from the motor. To start I would suggest you just buy 2 0z and 3 0z bell sinkers. They are my most often used weights and a bell sinker forces you to set the depth right. Until you get used to a pencil sinker you may be dragging it on its side rather that just bouncing it on it’s tip, like you need to. Yes that 3-4 inches makes a difference. Now here’s where a lot of people are gonna say WHAAAT??? Forget trying to achieve a 45 degree line angle from your rod tip to the water. It never seems to make a bit of difference with this technique or as far as I have ever been able to figure out with any technique. Still use it as a guide if you like, but don’t drive yourself buggy trying to maintain it.

    THREE WAY LIVE BAIT

    Almost all my Wisconsin River customers, got to try out rigging/jigging, this year. Three way swivel with 1/4-1/2 ounce hairjig,(almost any jig will do), 12-18 inches down , and 30-40 inches back a bright colored premium bare hook. Dubuque rig with lighter jig on, wolf river rig with jig in the place of sinker, or just a three-way rig. (You choose what to call it). Regardless unless an unbelievably snaggy bottom exists it is ,a no brainer to offer a jig-bottom, and a finesse bare hook up off the bottom as your presentations both at the same time. Unfortunately although the fish almost always show a preference for one or the other, the slower part of the rig still catches fish. More importantly the fishes preference changes from day to day. Although this rig is very easy to use anchored, it lends it self best to very slow movement up stream just inside the current edge. For those folks that just can’t seem to feel the difference between jigging on and just off the bottom vs. dragging the jig on the bottom, the bottom jig is at best only effective about 1/2 the time, because it will snag and pick up refuse when dragged(to much line out). Just like most three-way rigs it is best used with pretty much a close to constant depth and speed.(flats or on long breaklines.) Believe it or not most of my customers when asked felt we had caught 3-5 times more walleye than those around us. On days when we reported 35 walleye, most folks around us were catching 3-7. The movement,(very slow trolling motor trolling), obviously plays a part in the picture, too since you are putting it in front of more fish in the same amount of time. Still even when anchored or tied to a tree the two presentations at once were at least twice as effective as anything else being used around us. I’m just guessing, but I bet a large number of the folks that are reading this here use this type of rig at least ocassionally already.

    james
    Ankeny Iowa
    Posts: 290
    #272099

    Can someone tell me if the three way set up is the same thing as what used to be called ( wolf river rig ) Just courious.When I started using these we called them wolf river rigs was we wrong ??? Jim

    TROUTMAN
    S.E.Minnesota
    Posts: 304
    #272111

    Lawrence.I will print this out so I can read it again.Actually,I’ll probably have to read it more than once….there’s alot to absorb there and I don’t absorb like I used to .On second thought,I’m going to print it out,laminate it and take it in the boat with me.Thanks a million,Mike

    bill_cadwell
    Rochester, Minnesota
    Posts: 12607
    #272130

    I believe it to be the same thing. Its been so long since I’ve looked at a wolf river rig in a package. Should be the same tho. Thanks for adding the article Lawrence. Thanks, Bill

    mountain man
    Coon Valley, WI.
    Posts: 1419
    #272140

    james this is a portion of my post above, “Dubuque rig with lighter jig on, wolf river rig with jig in the place of sinker, or just a three-way rig. (You choose what to call it).” So yes it is a wolf river rig with a floating crank out the back or live bait. I left out much detail on pulling the live bait with a sinker,(wolf river rig),because some of those pool 4 guys have the live bait rig down to how many times to breathe on the bait before it goes in the water, especially that NATE guy, and Bill who posted on this post is down right scarey at it , too. (Nate is his son and fishing buddy). Tell us about it Bill .

    james
    Ankeny Iowa
    Posts: 290
    #272202

    Thanks for the come back. I will be on pool 4 Friday and Sat. the 1st & 2nd. Will try out some of the new info I got here. Read the artical and thought it was one of the best yet on three ways. Des Moines Ia. Jim

    john mannerino
    Chicago IL
    Posts: 207
    #272267

    Lawrence, You keep giving away all this advice and us tourney fisherman will have to keep changeing to keep a upper edge.LOL!!!!!!! All kidding aside there are only a few better river rats out there than MR. Ecklor,if that is possible!! Listen to what he says. Print it out and go get some fish. John Mannerino

    bill_cadwell
    Rochester, Minnesota
    Posts: 12607
    #272357

    Love them 3-ways systems! In fact if you want to learn more about them Nate Cadwell will be speaking out of his boat about 3-way presentations and live bait rigging at the Sept. 8th. Walleye Searchers meeting at the Elks Club in SE Rochester, Mn. at 7:00 pm. He will be in his boat speaking so that he can show how he has his boat set up just for this type of presentation, what equipement is used, how to use it, and where to get it. Everyone is invited and its free. See you there. Thanks, Bill

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