In an attempt to keep my crank thread on track…

  • Jake
    Muddy Corn Field
    Posts: 2493
    #1329383

    …..This is the reason I do not troll (aka. think it’s stupid )

    The trolling technique does not require skill to be effective. Anybody can go out to a lake, throw on a shadrap, set the rod in a holder, and drive around until they get a bite…..when your rod starts to bend, you pick it up and reel in the fish ……It’s no different than fishing with a bobber, or tip-up, or a Y-stick (all very boring ).

    Obviously there’s more to it than that, but if you’re in the right location, it don’t take much. Sure there’s some guys out there that really know what they (and their lures) are doing…..and yes, they catch a lot of fish…..and I’m sure at times they have fun doing it……but the majority of the people that troll are just too lazy to fish the “right” way (rod in hand)

    I’m not saying these techniques aren’t effective (because somtimes they can be almost too effective), I’m just saying that it’s not my cup of soup.

    Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59996
    #337354

    In todays world…most people that know nutrition keep more than one can of soup in their cupboards.

    In my opinion, rod holders were made for only one thing…to hold your second rod. Even catfishing, I try to hold on to one rod…although keeping the bat’s out of my wifes hair sometimes makes that impossable.

    Personally, I think jigging is too easy…I don’t like cream of mushroom soup…but I eat it.

    DaveB
    Inver Grove Heights MN
    Posts: 4497
    #337390

    Trolling can be stupid….or it can require a lot of boat control, speed control, awareness of how your crank is running, what depth, how deep the water is where your lure is running, how to run across certain bottoms, matching the forage or being completely different, adjusting to water clarity, and more stupid stuff like that.

    gary_wellman
    South Metro
    Posts: 6057
    #337408

    Jake;

    Al Linder said it best on a show he did, talking about the same mentality as you……..He called it “Trollathon”…..His mission was to change peoples mind on it……

    I used to kinda think the same way you did…….You trolled until you found fish…….If they were there, they bit, if not, they didn’t………

    Then one fine day in June, James took me and my father out on the river for a little trolling. We caught fish when others didn’t!!!!!!

    Now, another point…….
    Mille Lacs fall walleye full moon night bite…….
    Me and my buddy always do well……..catching on average 10 to 20 fish on a good night, maybe 25 on a great night…..Went with James this fall, along with Kooty, and on a “bad night” with the wrong weather conditions, we boated a solid 20 fish, where others boated maybe 5……
    Our trolling was a “crawl”……I asked James why not just “fan cast” the area to cover more ground and possibly be more stealth, instead of trolling. HIS KEY RESPONSE: “YOU CAN’T CONTROL THE LURE GOOD ENOUGH WITH A CONSISTENT, CORRECT RETREIVAL SPEED TO BE EFFECTIVE WHEN CASTING, THAT IS WHY WE TROLL.”

    Boat control and lure selection is CRUCIAL in order to boat fish. It is all presentation.

    Two years ago on LOTW, our group decided to all gather together for an afternoon of fishing, teamed up with a shorelunch. Guys were jigging the reefs for walleyes, and not far away were some good weed beds for muskies/pike where other members of our group where fishing. We didn’t catch any muskies and the pike were hammerhandles in the weeds. It wasn’t too thrilling. So, my partner and I decided to do some open water trolling in the area just to experiment. We tried open water trolling for muskies and pike……..Just going a “blind” troll, open water, over bait fish, up in the Big Narrows. We trolled over 30 to 80 feet of water, with our lures running 15 to 20 feet. The bait fish we marked were 15 to 20 feet below the surface. This was a true “trollathon” to see what would happen. Only one lure (walleye Depth Raider) boated fish. All other plugs didn’t do it……..By the way, our pike where 10 to 15lbs, a couple of average muskies in the same weight class……….and we boated fish about every 15 to 30 minutes for four hours. YES!!! We boated 15lb pike over 80 fow, that were 15′ below the surface, suspended, not within 300′ of any shorline structure……. Not bad for a “trollathon”!!! By the way, the guys in our party who were casting the weed beds, just caught hammerhandles, with the best being in the 5lb class.

    Still think trolling is stupid???
    Yep, you can go on a “blind run”, OR you can do some precision trolling (whether it is open water or contour) and outfish the guy who jigs, cast, or bobber fishes……..

    Gianni
    Cedar Rapids, IA
    Posts: 2063
    #337415

    Quote:


    but the majority of the people that troll are just too lazy to fish the “right” way (rod in hand)


    Sometimes a free-hand trolling run is required to enable a beer break.

    If that’s stupid, then I’m the Pope.

    Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59996
    #337431

    Pope Gianni I,

    If a person has to use a rod holder to drink a beer while trolling…they should find a new religion.

    Golf comes to mind….

    Jake
    Muddy Corn Field
    Posts: 2493
    #337438

    Gary,

    I wasn’t arguing the fact that trolling is often the most effective way to catch fish. The Fall Mille Lacs night bite is definatly an example of this. I concur that sometimes trolling will beat out every other method. But it’s still lazy fishing…..OK, maybe lazy’s not the word

    I think what I’m trying to get at is that I enjoy “active” fishing…..that is, any type of fishing technique where YOU physically control the LURE. When you’re trolling, you rely on boat control to put the lure where it needs to be. Controlling a boat and controlling a lure are two very different things .

    I think this is the reason I’m starting to gravitate more towards bass fishing. Precision casts and retrieves are required to catch fish. You don’t see any trolling going on in those big money bass tourney’s, but it’s more than common in the walleye world. It seems almost all the major techniques used in walleye fishing require little “active” fishing…..trolling, lindy riging, 3-waying, and even jigging to a lesser extent. All require precision boat control to add movement to the bait and put it in the fishes face, but few require the fisherman to actually “fish” the lure. Although this may be largly attributed to the different habitats of the fish (walleye tend to rescide in deeper water) and it may be the best way to get the bait to the fish.

    Jeremiah Shaver
    La Crosse, WI
    Posts: 4941
    #337442

    Quote:


    I think this is the reason I’m starting to gravitate more towards bass fishing


    Jake, there still is good in you!! Don’t be tempted by the dark side of the force!!! Come on over!!

    Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59996
    #337445

    Quote:


    But it’s still lazy fishing…..OK, maybe lazy’s not the word


    YOU my friend will never make a catfisherman…You are destine to become…yes, your mother will hate me for this….a Bass fisherman.

    Ok…I’m not taking anything away from any type of fishing…but, you know where bass are and you cast (admittidly accuratly) to them. With eyes although at times they are predictable, it makes sense to troll to find them, then use your jiggen, bobb’en stuff.

    gary_wellman
    South Metro
    Posts: 6057
    #337447

    I hear ya Jake….It’s all good!!!

    But if you are going to chase rubber lips ………..why not chase carp ……….they are in the same family as the bass, aren’t they???

    Dude, if you wan’t a true challenge at fishing, leave the grass carp alone, and go after something with TEETH!!! Like a MUSKIE!!!!!!!

    A muskie will truely put you to the test of proper “lure” fishing……….

    Jake
    Muddy Corn Field
    Posts: 2493
    #331681

    Don’t worry Brian……catfishin is in a class of it’s own

    but truth betold, I did start feeling a bit akward this past fall. Maybe that’s the bass trying to weasel their way into my system …………ahhhh………NOPE, not yet…….I’ll still take a 3# walldog over a 3# basser anyday……I’m just gonna start fishing em with my baitcaster and texas rigged tubes

    Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59996
    #337449

    Quote:


    catfishin is in a class of it’s own


    You had me scared for a bit there Jake! Tough to troll for them bad boys!

    As far as the awkward feeling…have you found a girl friend yet? Remember, we talked about this on Zumbro?

    Once you have one of them…you won’t have time to feel awkward or even worry about what kind of fishing method to use….just trying to get out of there clutches to go fishing is a task…

    Ps the quarter I owe you for the first fish is in the mail. Don’t let it be said I don’t pay off my bets!

    Take your new girl out with it!

    kooty
    Keymaster
    1 hour 15 mins to the Pond
    Posts: 18101
    #337455

    While I completely disagree with you on this one, I understand you may get board with this method of fishing. My favorite way to catch walldogs is pitching jigs shallow. Why do I like trolling:
    It will free up a hand or two for a cold one!!!!
    You cover a lot of water, quickly.
    It will free up a hand or two for a cold one!!!!
    It’s amazing what a 16″ walleye will do to a rod at 3.1MPH.
    It will free up a hand or two for a cold one!!!!
    It allows me to kick back and check out the scenery.
    It will free up a hand or two for a cold one!!!!

    While I would hate to see another good guy fall into the evil clutches of bass fishing, I can understand where a younger guy would like that sport more. It takes time and maturity(not that your not) to appreciate a cold beer on a hot day while trolling Pepin.

    Gianni
    Cedar Rapids, IA
    Posts: 2063
    #337464

    Quote:


    If a person has to use a rod holder to drink a beer while trolling…they should find a new religion.


    Well, if you’re the kind of drag queen that only drinks them one-at-a-time, then I could see why you would think this way.

    I’ll take Kooty’s list of reasons as an endorsement. Besides, if you’re trying to precision cast into cover for bass, you’ll miss all the bikini girls. We won’t discuss whatever reasons y’all are against that.

    BTW, what’s with you and golf lately?

    Whiskerkev
    Madison
    Posts: 3835
    #337477

    Pssst shut up about that open water trolling. Some of us like the fact that others think this is a waste of time.

    Mike W
    MN/Anoka/Ham lake
    Posts: 13310
    #337507

    My experiances of trolling are only a couple of years old but one thing I have noticed is you need to be working those rods. If it is spending to much time in the holder it most likely is not being fished right. Those crank baits need some jigging action. You need to be able to feel when you get that little piece on weed on the hook. Some days you can just let them sit and run the same speed, same depth, and so on and catch fish. Most fo the time if you really want to get into them it takes a little more action and thought than that.
    Its funny that a trolling can be looked at as simpley pulling lures around or on the other end applying all the little trick and technic that can make it a very precise presentation to catch fish. Guess its all about how serious you are about trolling.
    Bass fish could be looked at the same way. Completely simple one day and requireing great something the next.

    Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59996
    #337561

    Although not all of us “drag queens” like trolling…we all like golf…

    I heard you just sprung for a new pink set G?

    I think that jigging is similar to trolling…because, some days you have to rip and let the lure float other days you have to jig-jig-stop…to get the fish to hit…and just as Mike W stated …working the crank helps A LOT some days…others …I have more hits on the rod in the holder….

    OHHH! I get it!!! DRAG QUEEN….TROLLING…DRAGGING a lure!

    And here I thought you were hitting on me!

    bill_cadwell
    Rochester, Minnesota
    Posts: 12607
    #337587

    Every year you can find a bunch of boats jigging a spot in front of Lake City and I don’t see them catching anything. Nate and I would troll right past them and start catching fish after fish so they all can see and yet none of them would switch even after we showed them how effective trolling can be. To die in a spot fishing with nothing to show for it and not try a different presentation, even after seeing how effective it is, doesn’t make sense to me.
    Thanks, Bill

    Jake
    Muddy Corn Field
    Posts: 2493
    #337619

    I think Bill would fall into the “Drag Queen” category

    Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59996
    #337624

    Jake, put some cloths on in your mug shot…this is a family site!

    Jake
    Muddy Corn Field
    Posts: 2493
    #337628

    I’m a troll……get it……a TROLL

    Sorry, simple mind at work

    TBOMN11
    Circle Pines, MN
    Posts: 608
    #337635

    I have not read any of the posts that follow your original post, but if that is your outlook on trolling, you are missing a major part of putting fish in the boat. Not trolling is like leaving the house without your pants, driving your car without a seat, flying on one wing, having a week without Wednesday…you are only playing half the game. You need to get out more…..

    “Whats the difference between a jigged fish, and a trolled fish?…3 pounds” BRUCE DE SHANO

    Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59996
    #337688

    Quote:


    Not trolling is like leaving the house without your pants, driving your car without a seat, flying on one wing, having a week without Wednesday…you are only playing half the game. You need to get out more…..


    ….like putting without a good looking caddie….

    Kerry Harvey
    Brownsdale, MN.
    Posts: 286
    #337754

    Jake, I’ll get you out this year sometime for a day of trolling, you can tend all the lines, we’ll see if you think it’s a lazy way to fish. Take care.

    Gianni
    Cedar Rapids, IA
    Posts: 2063
    #337780

    Ummmm…

    Not being one to say, “I told you so…”

    Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59996
    #337797

    Gianni…THAT is a little below the belt…don’t you think?

    Gianni
    Cedar Rapids, IA
    Posts: 2063
    #337831

    Is that what that silver line is? A belt?

    Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59996
    #337838

    Jake…can you start a new post? Just call it “In an attept to keep my trolling thread on track”….

    nate-cadwell
    Rochester, Mn
    Posts: 498
    #337914

    Hey Jake I agree with ya I also hate to troll would much rather cast,jig,pull three ways or hell even slip bobber fish. but thats the great thing on the river you have so many options and let me tell ya very seldom do the Trollers out fish the Jigging and Rigging guys in the river tourneys.
    so let them trollers have there lazy fishing and we will finess them to the boat.

    P.S. Brian your wife is Right you do look way to good in dress.

    bill_cadwell
    Rochester, Minnesota
    Posts: 12607
    #337992

    Nate, tell your buddy Keith K. that the sleeper thinks trolling is for lazy people.

    Jake, are you jealous?

    Nate, you grew up trolling cranks and spinners and even trolling jigs. Are you still trolling in your sleep?

    Trollin Trollin Trollin!

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