John Pitlo on late spawns and other things…

  • rivereyes
    Osceola, Wisconsin
    Posts: 2782
    #1327648

    For those who dont know John Pitlo he is a Fisheries Research Bioligist working for the Iowa DNR out of Belvue on pool 13. He is renown for his walleye tracking using radio telemetry particularly in reference to spawning movements….

    John was one of my teachers at Iowa State where I graduated with a degree in Fisheries and Wildlife biology… and though like many FWB people I did not end up working in that field I still retain a keen interest in whats going on there… so I have been corresponding with John and other fisheries people to try and learn whats going on in Fisheries these days… particularly in reference to the Mississippi fishery…..

    OK.. enough of that!….

    for those who are interested I will try and pass on (with Johns permission) what was given me…..

    a little while ago Hougie sent me an article about what might happen with the walleye spawn and this strange spring…. some of the things they said seemed wrong to me….

    I asked John how this late spring might impact the spawn…..

    Johns response…..

    As far as spawning is concerned – the cold weather has slowed it somewhat – but all of our radio tagged fish have left the wintering areas and have headed upstream. Some are located in the tailwaters, just below the L & D’s, and others are just scattered downstream. There are none in backwaters right now – all in main channel borders (between the channel markers and the shore or bank).

    I don’t think late springs are necessarily bad. When we have late spring, generally the warm-up in water temperatures is fairly rapid and uniform. When the daily increase in water temperature is .5 degree a day or better, we generally have great walleye reproduction. On the other hand, an early spring and water warming early usually results in a late season snow or cold rain or cold fronts which cool the water and keep the average daily increase in water temp. below 0.4 degree/day during the spawning and incubation period which results in poor reproduction. The colder temperatures slow the incubation period and eggs are subject to longer periods of predation, disease, and landing on unsuitable substrate.

    Then I was following the Spring Valley tourney on the Illinois River and I was interested in the process where the DNR strips the fish caught during the tourney and stocks them… they have attributed this stocking to greatly helping the IR fishery…..

    I asked John if something similar might not work on the Mississippi……

    Johns Response….Yes – I know about the sauger stocking program on the ILL River- they had very poor natural reproduction as I understand it – therefore the stocking. In the Miss. the only stocking program I’m aware of is in Pool 14 by the Cordova Power Plant. They stock (their quota is 150,000 fingerlings/yr) in Pool 14 to offset anything detrimental they might do with respect to taking water from the river for cooling purposes and putting warmer water back. They collect fish from the Miss. and actually spawn them onsite and then raise the fish in a cooling canal that surrounds the facility. If they have excess fish, they stock some in Pool 13.

    Stocking is a way of improving fish populations if there is a problem with natural reproduction. I would favor ways to improve natural reproduction through protections of spawning habitat, improving nursery habitat, protecting spawning fish so that more eggs are produced, etc over stocking. Stocking is a huge effort in time and money for an agency. In the Miss., where natural reproduction still maintains the populations, I thing we need to do our utmost to protect the spawning stocks. I could go on and on, but you get my drift.

    I then commented that I thought that general belief indicates that spawning stocks are not the key ingrediant and that environmental factors are the key factor……

    Johns Response……

    We were always taught in school that the size of the spawning stock generally made little difference, that it was conditions during the spawning period that dictates the success of the spawn. However, there have been several recent studies that indicate that size of the spawning stock, the rate of water warming in the spring, and the condition of the female the previous fall explained nearly 70% of the variation in year class strengths. So it appears that in some popualtions, the size of the spawning stock does make a difference – we just have to find out if that is the case on the UMR.

    anyway… very interesting stuff…..

    so every year we have discussions on the board about the value of releasing spawning stock…. well.. it would appear that it just might make a difference… so it just might pay for us to consider releasing those spawn filled females……

    and further.. its interesting the information on the Cordova power plant….. I did not pursue this with John… but we have more than one power plant on the UMR.. why is that the only one that is stocking fish to compensate for losses caused by the plant?

    I guess I still have more questions to ask…..

    I just wanted to pass this on so that we all may understand these fisheries issues a little better……

    current-break
    ROCK ISLAND, ILLINOIS
    Posts: 90
    #240798

    RiverEyes

    The Cooling ponds and canal’s at the power plant at pool 14

    are old and not used for the nucler power plant.They converted

    to fresh water cooling years back this left the ponds & canal’s

    available. I dont know if any of the other power plants along the MISS. would have the ponds. I think they also have striper’s in them, and stock them in some lake’s in ILL.

    CURRENT BREAK

    herb
    6ft under
    Posts: 3242
    #240802

    Thanks for asking the questions rivereyes. Very informative indeed.

    kreading
    Iowa, Davenport
    Posts: 144
    #240808

    Nice report Eyes ! Keep the diologe go’in with him please !

    and when you run out of questions, I have a thousand more.

    Ask him about the Zebra’s. Have ya noticed all the shells

    covering the ramp at Clinton-I also found a huge section down in the old lock section by Leclaire covered with them also !

    I also read an article written by him, where he stated the the lower pools where silting in so fast that the Walleye fry having no where to go, reside in the river channels where-by they are suffering a high mortality due to the barges plying the channel also.

    Hey guy, somebody up at pool 14 said you wheren’t that smart. “I guess I’ll defend ya next time !!

    Keep up the good work ! This stuff is interesting !!

    Gofish

    Kensyl Reading———EFN ProStaff

    rivereyes
    Osceola, Wisconsin
    Posts: 2782
    #240837

    Hey Kensyl!.. well the guy on pool 14 is correct!! I have to quote Robert Frost here….

    “Half the world is composed of people who have

    something to say and can’t, and the other half who

    have nothing to say and keep on saying it.”

    well.. you can guess which group IM in!!

    and John has mentioned the problem with fish spawning in the channels…. shortly after hatching walleye can not yet swim and they drift in the current… apparently a big old barge comin through really “screws” with them….. (pardon the pun)…. and fry mortality can be high….. if ONLY they could stop barge traffic for a short time it would quite likely have a significant impact… OR… if we could somehow revitalize the backwater areas so that the fish could go back to spawning there……

    one note of interest to our pool 4 crowd is John speculated that POSSIBLY the fact that Pepin is just a short ways down river that it provides a large buffer for the fry by giving refuge from barge traffic and greatly reducing mortality….

    its possible that the really HIGH river levels like last year help because they stop barge traffic during those periods…..

    the above information is not direct quotes from John Pitlo but information that I have to pull from memory from conversations…

    fishsqzr
    Posts: 103
    #240840

    Interesting you mention Zebra mussels. For some reason – there was a tremendous die-off of Zebs last summer. Sometime during late summer, early fall – we had water tempertures in the mid-80’s (at least in the middle & lower pools, Pool 10 on down) which apparently was lethal to adult Zebs. Nearly every survey of native mussels completed during the fall period showed that all the Zebs were dead – but native mussels were still alive. However, as you know, young Zebs drift with the current for up to 8 days and there was re-colonization of most areas by young Zebs by the fall. And so it goes – we learn more about the animal every year.

    theleadsled
    Washington, Ia.
    Posts: 231
    #240851

    Thanks for the report Rivereyes….Interesting reading!

    john-tucker
    Northwest Illinois
    Posts: 1251
    #241016

    I’ve noticed the clam beds near my house have very few zeb’s compared to early last year. (On pool 14) I guess I won’t complain so much about the hot weather now! River Eyes, I’m on 14 but not the sot who Kensyl talked to. Maybe intelligience, like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder!?!?

    rivereyes
    Osceola, Wisconsin
    Posts: 2782
    #241027

    Hey Rooster!

    No worries…. If there really is a guy on pool 14 who thinks I have a bigger mouth than brain… well hes a pretty shrewd guy…. I cant fault anyone for that!! There are most likely guys on EVERY pool that figured that out quite a while ago!!….

    but once in a while I shutup and listen to what the really knowledgable people have to say…. and I learn…. and I cant even remember how long Ive been part of this board… I guess literally years!.. (well more than 1 qualifies as years!!)..

    but the point is… Ive been a river fisherman ALL my life… and I have learned more in the relatively short time Ive been part of this group of people then Ive learned in all the previous decades!! So when I get a chance to pass on something of interest and value.. its my pleasure to do so……

    John Pitlo is a great guy and is the most knowledgable source Ive ever found when it comes to the biology of river walleyes and saugers… its always a great pleasure to talk to him and its always a learning experience….. he has just published a new “paper” and Im looking forward to reading that too!!

    I think the really cool thing about this board is we probably have hundreds or maybe even thousands of years of river experience when taken as a group…. and we also have a great group of people who are willing to share that precious information…. there are some people who wish we would shutup and leave people in the dark…. I think thats the wrong attitude to have… because the more people we can involve in this resource the larger voice we have to improve the fishery… the more political clout we have….. what do we have if we all keep it to ourselves? maybe in a few years we have nothing because we have no voice that can be heard and our resource could be destroyed before our very eyes and dissappear maybe forever…………..

    *whew*… wonder why Im so philosophical today? Guess Im just glad this board is here, and that Im part of it…..

    stillakid2
    Roberts, WI
    Posts: 4603
    #241029

    Have you checked the level of Philosophium Nitrate in this morning’s bowl of Wheaties? IN your defense Rivereyes, I think somone was cornfusing you with “the Pup”………….motormouth with little brains……….yeah, “that guy”! *grins*

    fishsqzr
    Posts: 103
    #241072

    Just an update on the spawning in Pool 13. Water temp on Friday was 47 degrees. Male walleyes are on spawning areas in good numbers. I saw the largest male walleye I have ever seen on the Miss. – weighed in at 7 lbs and 25.9 inches long!! I had to squeeze it myself to believe it was a male. Walleye tournament today out of Dubuque – there were at least 8 boats fishing the walleye spawning site that I could count.

    rivereyes
    Osceola, Wisconsin
    Posts: 2782
    #241073

    what a *MONSTER* male walleye!… Ive never heard of one sooooo big… has anyone else?

    rvvrrat
    The Sand Prairie
    Posts: 1840
    #241098

    fishsqzr,

    Do you have any comments on the effect of fishing the spawning beds? Are the eggs disturbed enough to have an effect? Any idea if a fish is caught off the bed whether it will continue to spawn?

    Thx,

    Pete

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