Pool 2 Report 10/30/2013

  • procor
    Mounds View, MN
    Posts: 246
    #1334373

    Ever since Rootski posted on 10/16 that the fall plastic bite was here, I have been fortunate enough to be out on the river 2-4 times every week learning more about the night bite.

    As the water temps have fallen from the low 50’s to the 45-46 degree range, the bite has consistently gotten better. I figure that I would rely upon my normal method that worked well for me last year… Moxies and Paddletails, with 1/16th-1/8oz jigs casted at various angles to the wing dams. Yep, the fish liked this presentation still, go figure.
    As the flow seems slower at this time of year compared to last and again dropped last night, I have noticed/stumbled onto a new revelation. Typically, I would position the boat in more close proximity to the WD, say maybe in 8FOW and do my fan casting until I find out what they exactly want, what color, what weight, what retrieve speed, what angle the bait should swing across the WD, etc.
    However, this would only pick up the fish that I would think were more actively feeding/chasing bait in the shallower water close/on the WD. When a fish was caught and the boat gets out of position and slips into deeper water, say the 10-13fow, I would notice numerous, larger fish positioned outside/around the WD and never really paid attention to them thinking, ‘they will come up/near the WD and feed at some point in time, we will just keep casting and wait it out’. I also realized this… when one of us would fish with a 1/16thoz jig and the other a 1/8oz jig, I noticed a pattern developing – the 1/16oz took more fish in the shallower water and the 1/80z more fish in deeper water, which seems obvious. However, when the boat got out of position and slipped into deeper water, I was beginning to pick up fish in 10-13FOW!

    Either one of two things I think is happening, and likely both. Casting up into shallow water, some eyes will trail the bait out into deeper water all the way back to the boat and strike as the bait ascends in the final 15-20 feet of the retrieve and/or in the final half of the retrieve, slowing the retrieve down to get the jig deeper in the water column, fish in the deeper water were actually active fish and coming up and biting.

    As I started focusing on this deeper water with this slower flow, I tried different weights, casting straight up river, etc trying to get these deeper fish to strike, especially when the fish in shallow water slowed down and maybe got ‘burnt out’. As I spend more time out in the 10-13fow, I noticed that the bigger fish on the bottom would at times come up off the bottom 2-3 feet and would begin to feed on the smaller (shad?) fish in the area. Working this deeper water with a slightly heavier jig, 1/8oz-3/15oz jig and slower retrieve has picked up a few extra fish, which, as the HDS printed, were bigger walleyes.

    Most guys likely already do fish this water column as well, but it is a first for me, stumbled upon by accident and trial and error….thought I’d share.

    From mid-week last week until last night, the fishing has seemed to slow a bit as the water temps kind of stabilized and the flow is slow(er), the fish are a bit more widely spread out. Last night was the bite of the 16″-20″ers. We got about 10 of those and only a few of the bigger 20-25″ with a 25″er being the biggest, caught of course at 1:40am as we were packing up. The bite seems to be the best after 11:00pm. Over the past week, I have gotten lucky and landed some of the biggest this year with a two 26.75″ers taken and numerous in the 23-25″ range. The best part of it all is taking some guys out from church that have only caught one walleye in their life to never catching a big fish an watch the excitement of them catching beautiful, big walleyes!


    jeff_huberty
    Inactive
    Posts: 4941
    #1203185

    Bingo!

    Nice fish

    I was just at Fleet Farm in Oakdale Monday night,they had a whole bin of moxies and paddle tales on sale for 3.39 a bag.

    Now getting out to use them is another thing

    procor
    Mounds View, MN
    Posts: 246
    #1203189

    Jeff, did they have any Draggin Jigs? Yesterday, Joes was nearly out of stock of the 1/8oz ones. All they had was black.

    jon_jordan
    St. Paul, Mn
    Posts: 10908
    #1203192

    Quote:


    The best part of it all is taking some guys out from church that have only caught one walleye in their life to never catching a big fish an watch the excitement of them catching beautiful, big walleyes!


    That what it’s all about right there.

    Hope we can stretch the season well into Dec this year.

    -J.

    Mike W
    MN/Anoka/Ham lake
    Posts: 13310
    #1203222

    Great report. The evening bite has been slow for me this week. Monday evening we only managed 4 fish after the sunset. We had more fish before the sun hit the tree tops that day. This sure seems like a more typical fall on pool 2 than the last 2 years of super easy fishing. The flow seems up this year as compared to last and a little darker. Was kinda hoping we would of seen more rain yesterday. A little more flow and we might just be back on a solid day bite.

    Here is a nice one I caught last week during the day.

    Snap
    Posts: 264
    #1203224

    Very nice report. I’ve fished that column of water by accident or more likely mishap before but never had your results. Kudos! Also how in the world do people fish wingdams in the dark. I can barely determine where the wingdam “sweet spot” is in broad daylight much less pitch black. Also I rely heavily on visual line queue to tell if my bait is sinking, hung up, swinging, etc. Do you night guys all have $500 dollar rods that you can tell these things with your eyes closed or am I doing something wrong there?

    jon_jordan
    St. Paul, Mn
    Posts: 10908
    #1203225

    Quote:


    Also how in the world do people fish wingdams in the dark.


    GPS with map chip and time on the water.

    -J.

    nhamm
    Inactive
    Robbinsdale
    Posts: 7348
    #1203231

    Quote:


    Quote:


    Also how in the world do people fish wingdams in the dark.


    GPS with map chip and time on the water.

    -J.


    And if you don’t have one of those put a heavier jig on than normal and feel out the dam, might lose a few jigs in the process but you will know that thing pretty well after a couple dozen casts.

    procor
    Mounds View, MN
    Posts: 246
    #1203232

    Surprisingly, there is enough light at night where one can see the water and a visual queue of backflow area right behind the WD, or the marker can near the tip of the WD, or the same tree, log, rock in the shoreline that you cast at or use a a reference during the day; you can see these same things at night. A head lamp can help as well. As far as the jig swinging, that I think is just a matter of knowing the flow, correlating and having confidence that what is happening during the day, is happening at night. Some guys may do more of a pitching cast/jigging retrieve where seeing/watching the line can detect a bite before it is felt. At night the slow retrieve with plastic consistently has a taunt line, so with a nice rod, one can feel every tick of the bottom or nick of a walleye tooth.

    With the most dense fog I have seen on the river ever and fog as dense as Lake Michigan’s worst fog, I was lucky to have my previous night’s track recorded on the HDS as I could not even see the marker cans until it was a short distance away. The GPS certainly saved the evening.

    I have not fished during the day since the 16th. I have had my best fishing at nights since last year. I havent hit these numbers of fish ever on the sippi. I do notice that I am the only car in the lot when I leave. Unfortunately, the night bite has been getting later and later and less intense each evening when they really go on the chew. The last two nights have been a 1:45am and 3:30am finishes. Last night, there was a guy in a hurry to get out of the ramp when we were coming in at 1:45am….maybe he knows something we dont

    Mike W
    MN/Anoka/Ham lake
    Posts: 13310
    #1203238

    At one time I used to practice pitching wigdams with my eyes close. Nothing but feel then. The right rod and line is a must but you by no means need high stuff. Many rod reel combos between $100 and $150 will do.

    Forget about hi vis line after dark. You are not going to see it. Its all about the feel after dark. Figure this out and it might even help your daytime pitching.

    Like Jon said make sure to add in lots of time on the water. Spent about 4 years night fishing before starting to get a good handle on it. Granted this was before some of the new electronics we have now. At one point I would even go mark dams during the day to make it easier to get on them after dark.

    procor
    Mounds View, MN
    Posts: 246
    #1203239

    Nice fish Mike. I love how they are starting the feed bag process and chunking up

    Mike W
    MN/Anoka/Ham lake
    Posts: 13310
    #1203241

    They are nice and fat this year. Must be feeding some time.

    Draggin jigs can help a lot pitching wingdams to. They do not give you that nice thunk when hitting the rocks but then again they do not get hung up nearly as often as regular jig either.

    Another nice hair jig walleyes from last week.

    Mike W
    MN/Anoka/Ham lake
    Posts: 13310
    #1203265

    So have you noticed any preference in style of plastics or colors? Its been all over the place for my boat this fall. Last few trips slow worked or dragged pulsars have been working. Think that thumping of the tail gives them a little more to key in on in the dirty water.

    For colors white is always a good bet. Firecracker or anything else with a chartreuse tail. Chartreuse orange core has taken a few to. To tell you the truth no color has really stuck out so far this fall. Just keep changing them up.

    fish_any_time
    Champlin, MN
    Posts: 2097
    #1203270

    Quote:


    Jeff, did they have any Draggin Jigs? Yesterday, Joes was nearly out of stock of the 1/8oz ones. All they had was black.


    Who else in town has Draggin Jigs? Thorne doesn’t.

    Tim J
    Duluth, MN
    Posts: 539
    #1203288

    Do you guys have spot lights on your boats to light up the cans as you cruise down the channel or do you just know where they are? That is my only concern with getting out on the river at night.

    Mike W
    MN/Anoka/Ham lake
    Posts: 13310
    #1203297

    Quote:


    Do you guys have spot lights on your boats to light up the cans as you cruise down the channel or do you just know where they are? That is my only concern with getting out on the river at night.


    Do need to be careful at night. Have hit a cone at night. Just about hit a barge last fall in the fog. Hit a 20′ length of pipe the fall before that. If you are new to the river maybe just start out close to the landing where you dont need to put the boat on plane to get to spots.

    procor
    Mounds View, MN
    Posts: 246
    #1203305

    I don’t run with a spot light, I just know where they all are and if not, just stay in the middle of the channel on the GPS. Even on a moonless night, one can see pretty well on the river.

    Mike, the only real color pattern I can see is green jigs with a green or chartreuse sparkle colored pulsar with the whitecore. I remember last year the firecracker was a go to color as well as the chat rues tail, but haven’t even had to dig that deep into the BfishN bag yet. I know you have always mentioned white or pink/whitenin the past, I have tried both pulsars quite a few times this fall, and I have not even had a hit. The next two best colors have been a blue/gray sparkle and as peanut butter n jelly..

    boone
    Woodbury, MN
    Posts: 939
    #1203310

    As Jon stated, a GPS with a mapping chip helps tremendously. If you plot a trail in the middle of the channel during the day, it will help you navigate at night. I recently got a mapping chip and that is very helpful too. Also, from about St. Paul Park and upstream there are so many city lights that it never really gets pitch black out. Clould cover actually seems to make things brighter on a moonless night as all the light seems to reflect back from the clouds. There’s usually enough glare off the water that you can see somewhat well. Not well enough to run fast when ice chunks could be floating, but well enough to get around.

    I’ve tried putting lighted marker jugs on the tops of the wing dam I’m fishing and that works well but is somewhat time consuming and lately it seems that if I’ve gotten a fish on a wingdam, it’s generally been on the first or second cast. Waiting it out on a spot or trying a lot of different baits hasn’t been productive for me so far this fall.

    As far as pitching, I seem to do best when the jig just hovers out there. If I’m banging rock too hard, I down size the jig. A general rule I follow is that if I’m getting snagged a lot, I know I’m probably too heavy. If the jig hit the rocks and gets hung up occasionally but I can generally pop the jig out with a quick snap, the weight is probably about right. I will often down size one more increment from there so that it just hovers when it straight behind the boat.

    2619
    Northeast MPLS
    Posts: 136
    #1203313

    Nice reports guys! I still need to replace my lower unit from a mishap I had on lake Superior this summer. This is the time of year I wait all summer for, really starting to miss the river. I may be looking for an open seat to fill in the near future, I have everything needed and willingness to fish into the wee hours of the morning.
    Enjoy those nights out there and be safe!

    Mike W
    MN/Anoka/Ham lake
    Posts: 13310
    #1203314

    Typically the orange or black Draggin jigs are my go to jigs. That chartreuse/white core is a favorite of mine to but haven’t even had that out yet this fall. To many colors to fish, so little time.

    Looks like I need to make a order to BfishN tackle.

    crawdaddy
    St. Paul MN
    Posts: 1749
    #1203352

    Apparently you’ve been so busy fishing you haven’t had time to find your razor.

    PB2
    Posts: 329
    #1203509

    Don’t rule out hand lining. Best times for us have been two to three hours before sunrise.
    Give it a try.

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