river trolling raps

  • nhamm
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    Robbinsdale
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    #1334155

    Planning on doing quite a bit of river trolling for walleyes this year, whether it be the flats adjacent to deep water in the spring, to three waying the main channel edges, or possibly lead core later in the year. Looking over some books a couple tips they recommend is to bend the front treble hook down, or another recommended to completely cut off the bottom hook on the individual treble to eliminate snagging. Has anyone found these to be effective methods to eliminate some of the snags. Seems to me they would really loose a lot of fish BC both hooks that would be able to get the fish are riding alongside the body of the bait and out of hooking way. Any tricks on not loosing these expensive cranks and stick baits would be much appreciated and my wallet thanks you.

    BBKK
    IA
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    #1160539

    Best way to avoid being snagged is to run your cranks 2-3 feet off the bottom. Especially in a river system.

    Gary Sanders
    Lake Wisconsin
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    #1160542

    If you fish crank baits you are bound to lose a few, you need to accept that. However, spending $10-$15 on a lure retriever will help you get the majority of them back. Small investment that can easily pay for itself in a day.

    nhamm
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    Robbinsdale
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    #1160553

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    Best way to avoid being snagged is to run your cranks 2-3 feet off the bottom. Especially in a river system.


    On the river I don’t have the most experience, but man 2-3′ off bottom seems to be a lot, all of the fish I have got have been within 18″ of bottom. I’ll be fishing and worried about snags and won’t get nothing, then yell myself to purposely get snagged just so I know I’m on bottom and more times than not only then I connect with some fish.

    Paul Heise
    River Falls, Wi
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    #1160557

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    If you fish crank baits you are bound to lose a few, you need to accept that. However, spending $10-$15 on a lure retriever will help you get the majority of them back. Small investment that can easily pay for itself in a day.



    Where can I find one of these? Definitly worth it if it saves a crank or more a month!

    first-light
    Quad Cities
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    #1160573

    I fish snags. I have several options.
    3 way with a lead sinker, pencil sinker maintaining bottom or just bouncing. Tie a crank on the 3 way. Loose the weight not the cranks. Another option is a bottom bouncer.
    Both are not stealth. I have caught eyes though.
    Be aware that you will snag and loose. It comes with the sport. I agree a lure retreiver is a must. If you have several flat lines out it can be a goat rodeo getting the lines in. Free reeling line out on the snagged crank. Then making a 180 to de-snag your crank. On top you spook the fish.
    2 cents.

    Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
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    #1160584

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    Where can I find one of these? Definitly worth it if it saves a crank or more a month!


    I know Steve/Kari have them at Everts. I sold one last weekend.

    nhamm
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    Robbinsdale
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    #1160631

    Nobody has tried bending or removing a hook on the trebles though to make it less susceptible to snagging?

    redrnger
    Posts: 216
    #1160642

    I bend the bottom front hook up on my lures like a circle hook all the time.I have found it helps deflect the lure and I lose less of them.I fish the stump fields trolling in Lake Wisconsin and it really does save some lures.I catch fish on the front hooks all the time, even the bent one.

    Paul Heise
    River Falls, Wi
    Posts: 723
    #1160974

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    I bend the bottom front hook up on my lures like a circle hook all the time.I have found it helps deflect the lure and I lose less of them.I fish the stump fields trolling in Lake Wisconsin and it really does save some lures.I catch fish on the front hooks all the time, even the bent one.



    Got a picture of how you bent them?

    BBKK
    IA
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    #1160986

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    Quote:


    Best way to avoid being snagged is to run your cranks 2-3 feet off the bottom. Especially in a river system.


    On the river I don’t have the most experience, but man 2-3′ off bottom seems to be a lot, all of the fish I have got have been within 18″ of bottom. I’ll be fishing and worried about snags and won’t get nothing, then yell myself to purposely get snagged just so I know I’m on bottom and more times than not only then I connect with some fish.


    Watch a few of BKs walleye vids, and others on youtube. Walleye dont typically lay on the bottom like some people think. They swim 8″-3 feet off the bottom, in layers. Some on the bottom, some above. Walleye will rarely be loners in the river, most are schooled up in small groups. Walleye, like crappie, ALWAYS look up. Their eyes are positioned on top of their heads so they cannot look down, they have to point their head down to look down. Walleye especially like to ambush up. They will take a shad above them over a shad in front of them. So if you run the cranks above the fish they will snap up and grab the crank as a reaction strike when it goes above them. Depending on your water clarity that is why I said 2-3 feet. In clear water, get that bait up there 3′ off the bottom in 10-15 feet and you will see magic. Few catfish and lots of walleye. In muddy water try 2′ off the bottom. In really muddy water dig those SOBs into the muck bottoms, the sediment being stirred up will help fish find the bait.

    A lot of people troll below the fish all day and then wonder why they keep catching leaves and no walleye.

    How I start (long lining) is to let the bait back until I see it digging bottom, then keep cranking up line 2′ at a time until it stops ticking bottom. Then I reel up 10′ of line and go about it. If I’m not getting hit after a few passes I’ll reel up another 10′ of line. If I’m trolling sand I’ll start by digging the bottom for the first pass.

    Lakes are totally different. The fish could be on the bottom or 3′ under the surface over 20′ of water. But with the river eyes I’ve found them to be in the bottom 3′ of the water.

    BBKK
    IA
    Posts: 4033
    #1160988

    Now, for bending the hook. I’ve seen it done many times but I have never done it myself. Take the hook that points down when the bait is running and gently bend the tip inward so it is pointing in instead of straight. Doesnt take much, and some hooks (especially matzuo) will break before they bend.

    You want it to look close to this

    whittsend
    Posts: 2389
    #1161294

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    Nobody has tried bending or removing a hook on the trebles though to make it less susceptible to snagging?


    Just remove all the hooks. Quite a bit more snag resistant that way!!!

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