Ive been using 15 pound braid lately and still have been getting bit off. There are a few toothy critters in pool 2 swimming around with my rattling lipless crankbaits. My question is.. what line should i use to throw cranks from shore? Im on rip rap with fair amount of snags. Should i use a small leader for lipless cranks? I hate loosing lures and fish.
I would use the same line that you have and go with a flouro leader-something like the 40lb. range…been using this on tip-ups now for a few years and am yet to have a bite-off from pike. Hope this helps. 
I don’t think you really need to run a florocarbon leader on Pool 2. I would just beef up the braid to like 30lb or bigger. Most retailers have the heavy braid on sale because not a lot of people buy it. For example Cabelas Bargain Cave in Rogers is stocked with heavy braid line for cheap. I do know that they are also running some specials on the popular Suffix 832 in heavy lines. That was an instore specical a short time ago. 
65 lb power pro. I flip it and throw it, but the only time I break off is at the knot, which is my fault. I’ve caught more than my share of toothies on the stuff.
what about just using a light steel leader?
If there are a lot of pike in the area a leader may be in order. The walleyes and other fish might be a little shy of a leader. Might want to keep a eye on the end of your line and make sure its not getting frayed on the rocks. Ill throw canks on 20# power pro at times. Have thrown them on 10# PP but the rocks can tend to get to that line pretty easy.
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what about just using a light steel leader?
I’ve used that tieable wire leader stuff Thorne bros sells, seems to work well, its only rated for 15-20# I think but it seems stronger than that.
Al
This thread makes me think of what could be breaking my line without a fight or a snag and I don’t use anything less than 14lbs 
Are you targeting Northerns ?? if so put on a 7 strand wire 
i catch pike on a regular basis, i use 8, 12, and 14 fluoro ….havent had a bite off yet this year, and have had 5 spinners destroyed thus far and replaced 3 skirts on one, i never use a wire leader
Dont think that would be walleye cutting your line. is it newer line? You can squeak a good couple years out of braid but it will eventually go bad. Got good knots on it? There are some knots that dont work well with some of the slicker braids on the market. maybe keep a eye on the last couple feet of line. It can get frayed and week running across shallow rocks. Some worn lines you can pull on them and they seem strong but then give it a quick snap and it breaks.
Knots are very important with braid. Clinch and improved clinch knots (the most common “fishing knot”) will slip under pressure. A palomar knot will hold on any braid. Nanofil, though, recommends a variation of the palomar that simply includes two overhand knots instead of one before putting the hook through the loop. Pic of the palomar knot below.
The line is 2 months old. And my knots are good. The line snaps cause of the fish teeth. It could be pike but ive been catching walleye there. I just bought some 20 pound sufix 832 and some small 4 inch leaders. Hopefully this solves the problem.
It sure sounds like pike, 2 feet of water and slicing you clean off. Been there, done that. Solution? 15# tie-able wire leader. With a lipless it will not hurt the action at all, and if you make it a foot long or so it will drastically help you with abrasion from the rocks.
I can tell you from experience, 10#, 15#, 20#, 30# braid all get sliced clean off when a toothy critter grabs a hold. The only chance you have is if he doesnt make it all the way up to the line. A big pike will slice 50-65 clean off also. Plain and simple, if you are after pike on a reaction bait like a lipless, you need wire.
If it was pike it would explain why my cat rod(50 pound power pro) got clean cut last year using big minnows in the same area. Thanks guys your prob right on pike, i just wanna think it was a sumo walleye lol.
Walleyes don’t cut line. They could break your line if you don’t know what you’re doing. You’re getting bit off by pike/muskies, or you have bad line. Period.
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Walleyes don’t cut line. They could break your line if you don’t know what you’re doing. You’re getting bit off by pike/muskies, or you have bad line. Period.
While I agree that it probably wasnt a walleye that bit you off with that thick of line, walleye DO bite you off. I have personally witnessed it in gin clear water, walleye came up and nailed my jig, I set the hook and it was a clean slice. It takes a BIG walleye to do that though.
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