Ethics Question

  • crawdaddy
    St. Paul MN
    Posts: 1594
    February 16, 2012 at 8:41 pm #1333417

    If you were fishing Red Wing and had a limit of saugers in the livewell all at 14 inches and you catch a 16 incher and put it in the box and throw one of the smaller ones back is this ethical?

    arklite881south
    Posts: 5660
    February 16, 2012 at 8:48 pm #1039852

    Actually not legal here, and I might assume this is the same on the river. Culling fish is frowned upon as often times fish getting bounced in the well would then be released belly up for anglers seeking a couple more inches of meat. That is the thought process behind this law anyway. Does it happen?? Of course. Ethical?? Your call.

    joemama
    North St Paul
    Posts: 392
    February 16, 2012 at 8:48 pm #1039854

    given 5 14″ saugers..why would you put the 6 th in the live well…if you do your done fishing there is a difference between ethics and legal(i’m not sure what the culling rule is on pool 4)

    big_g
    Isle, MN
    Posts: 22456
    February 16, 2012 at 8:50 pm #1039856

    Ethically, when the well is full, you are done. No culling here.

    dfresh
    Fridley, MN
    Posts: 3053
    February 16, 2012 at 8:51 pm #1039857

    If you have a MN license, I know it is illegal. That fish is ‘reduced to possession’. So whatever your ethical dilemma might be, the law may overrule it.

    John Schultz
    Inactive
    Portage, WI
    Posts: 3309
    February 16, 2012 at 8:59 pm #1039862

    Quote:

    If you have a MN license, I know it is illegal. That fish is ‘reduced to possession’. So whatever your ethical dilemma might be, the law may overrule it.

    I believe it is the same if you have a WI license.

    finman
    Posts: 277
    February 16, 2012 at 8:59 pm #1039863

    Ethical? No… You already have your limit, call it a day.

    walleyeben
    Albertville,MN
    Posts: 963
    February 16, 2012 at 9:07 pm #1039866

    Ethics are out the window with a limit of 14s! also runnin a live well in the winter?

    In all honestty I would just turn it loose, unless your realy hard for the couple extra ounces of fish. To blegal you can’t still fish with a limit in the boat, so culling surly isn’t good.

    Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59992
    February 16, 2012 at 9:10 pm #1039869

    Since many of the 14 inch saugers (not all) come from water over 25 feet deep, I recommend keeping all that is caught.

    12’ers included. They will die anyway.

    If a person doesn’t want to keep the smaller fish. Don’t fish the scour hole!

    But that’s just me.

    dhiggins
    Brooklyn Park, MN
    Posts: 16
    February 16, 2012 at 9:15 pm #1039872

    Not legal or ethical in my opinion. I would see guys pounding crappies under the floating dock in front of my dads cabin on big sandy every weekend. Before they pulled anchor and took off they would sort through the livewell and throw back the smallest ones that would put them over their limit. When I made my way down to the dock I would see crappies floating. We finally pulled the floating dock in closer to shore so it would hold less fish. Sad to see such waste.

    uffdapete
    Rainy Lake, MN
    Posts: 394
    February 16, 2012 at 9:49 pm #1039877

    2011 MN fishing regs, pg 9
    • Once a daily or possession limit of fish has been reached, no culling or live well sorting is allowed. No culling is allowed on Mille Lacs or Wisconsin border waters (see pages 25 and 58).

    Put in perspective and like has been already pointed out, it’s not like you’re getting another lb. of fillets. Yet most of us have been there and wanted to do it.

    silverstreak
    West Union, IA
    Posts: 250
    February 16, 2012 at 10:28 pm #1039885

    walleye ben, I maybe wrong but cant you keep fishing with a limit of fish. Like recreational fishing. What would be the difference of catch and release if the livewell is full

    trumar
    Rochester, Mn
    Posts: 5967
    February 16, 2012 at 10:31 pm #1039886

    Quote:

    If you were fishing Red Wing and had a limit of saugers in the livewell all at 14 inches and you catch a 16 incher and put it in the box and throw one of the smaller ones back is this ethical?

    I have NEVER kept a Mn limit so I cant answer your question.

    millerman
    Red Wing, MN
    Posts: 627
    February 16, 2012 at 11:09 pm #1039890

    Quote:

    Quote:

    If you were fishing Red Wing and had a limit of saugers in the livewell all at 14 inches and you catch a 16 incher and put it in the box and throw one of the smaller ones back is this ethical?

    I have NEVER kept a Mn limit so I cant answer your question.

    Neither can Jessie! Catch a limit that is!

    Jesse Krook
    Y.M.H.
    Posts: 6403
    February 16, 2012 at 11:18 pm #1039891

    The question is if you had 5 fish in the live well ?

    6 fish is the possesion limit on the Miss, Pool 4 so technically they wouldn’t have a limit HOWEVER culling is illegal on MN/WI border waters and this would be an act of culling.

    ETHICS

    What are ethics and what is ethical fishing and who’s to say what is and what isn’t ? If someone is keeping a daily limit daily and eating them daily that is completly legal and NO ONE has a right to say that it is wrong. Ethics are a personal choice and don’t need to be FORCED onto anybody. If you want to keep 6 8lb fish or if you want to keep 6 10″ saugers it’s all ones right and ones choice .

    Here’s what the MN DNR consider’s ethical fishing quote taken from the rules and regulations book that EVERYONE should read.

    Quote:

    Fishing Ethics

    As fishing pressure

    continues to grow, the DNR offers these suggestions

    to

    make fishing safe and enjoyable for all anglers:

    • Don’t litter monofilament fishing line, styrofoam, plastic bags, six‑pack

    holders, and other plastics can kill fish and wildlife that eat or get

    tangled up in these products.

    • Prepare your boat and trailer before you are on the ramp so that you

    can launch quickly.

    • Ask for permission before entering private land.

    • Keep only the amount of fish you can use.

    • Release some medium-sized fish so they can grow larger and be caught

    in the future.

    I myself prefer catch photo and release unless I want a meal then I’ll keep a limit

    riverdan
    Posts: 295
    February 16, 2012 at 11:32 pm #1039901

    Once you have your boat limit in the box your done, upgrading isn’t allowed!

    silverstreak
    West Union, IA
    Posts: 250
    February 16, 2012 at 11:36 pm #1039903

    So if my box is full and I don’t keep or trade up I can keep fishing, correct?

    Jesse Krook
    Y.M.H.
    Posts: 6403
    February 16, 2012 at 11:37 pm #1039904

    Quote:

    So if my box is full and I don’t keep or trade up I can keep fishing, correct?

    No

    Read above posts

    cdm
    Oronoco, SE. MN.
    Posts: 771
    February 16, 2012 at 11:38 pm #1039905

    Lets say you have a limit of Walleyes you could continue to fish for other species such as panfish or catfish or whatever .Correct me if Im wrong.

    ryan_mcneil
    Dodge Center, MN
    Posts: 277
    February 16, 2012 at 11:53 pm #1039907

    Quote:

    Quote:

    So if my box is full and I don’t keep or trade up I can keep fishing, correct?

    No

    I didn’t know that a person couldn’t still fish after catching a limit. Oops

    Read above posts

    ryan_mcneil
    Dodge Center, MN
    Posts: 277
    February 16, 2012 at 11:59 pm #1039912

    Jesse, where does it say in the handbook about that you can’t keep fishing after catching your limit? This is new news to me and I’m sure for a lot of others

    cdm
    Oronoco, SE. MN.
    Posts: 771
    February 17, 2012 at 12:04 am #1039914

    Quote:

    Lets say you have a limit of Walleyes you could continue to fish for other species such as panfish or catfish or whatever .Correct me if Im wrong.

    Jesse Krook
    Y.M.H.
    Posts: 6403
    February 17, 2012 at 12:11 am #1039918

    Quote:

    Jesse, where does it say in the handbook about that you can’t keep fishing after catching your limit? This is new news to me and I’m sure for a lot of others

    I can’t personally answer that question, my guess is that it would be at the conservation officers discretion.

    I don’t think you would get away with saying your fishing for sunfish trolling crankbaits.

    riverdan
    Posts: 295
    February 17, 2012 at 12:45 am #1039929

    I was told last year on the St Croix that once you have a limit of a species in the boat you can fish for other species but you can’t target the species you have the limit of cause technically if you bring one aboard your over the limit

    hairjig
    Cudahy, Wis.
    Posts: 937
    February 17, 2012 at 12:51 am #1039932

    I personally think if you have to keep 14″fish instead of 15″ that’s pretty desparate !!

    riverdan
    Posts: 295
    February 17, 2012 at 1:12 am #1039936

    Quote:

    I personally think if you have to keep 14″fish instead of 15″ that’s pretty desparate !!


    I’ll keep 14″ saugers anytime over the bigger ones, many times I could keep a limit of 17+inchers but I don’t cause I like to eat fish and the bigger ones just don’t taste as good, just my .02

    tom_gursky
    Michigan's Upper Peninsula(Iron Mountain)
    Posts: 4751
    February 17, 2012 at 1:17 am #1039937

    My fishing ethics are pretty in line with yours Jesse

    Ethics…
    code of morality: a system of moral principles governing the appropriate conduct for a person or group

    Synonyms: morals, beliefs, moral code, moral principles, moral values, integrity, conscience, principles

    1. Values are the basic beliefs that an individual thinks to be true. Every individual has a set of values through which he looks at all things and also at the world.
    2. Ethics is guidelines or rules that are set for a society or an organization rather than for an individual.
    3. Values can be said to be the guiding principles in one’s life. ‘Value’ can be defined as a bridge by which an individual makes a decision regarding good and bad, right or wrong, and most important or less important.
    4. Ethics can be defined as set of rules formulated by a country or a company or some institutions. Ethics is mainly based on the moral values.

    The idea of CPR was the “flagship” of IDO since its origin…being “mentored” to Pool 4 “ethics” by James, Dustin Stewart, Dean Marshall and many other IDO regulars…I am grateful for the many big girls that were “recycled” to the joy of myself and many other anglers.
    When I come with my friends each year we fish for Sauger to take home for fish frys and Walleyes for thrills. 16-17″ Sauger are just right for eatin!

    walleyeben
    Albertville,MN
    Posts: 963
    February 17, 2012 at 1:35 am #1039944

    If I remember correctly its not in the booklet, I heard it was up to the disgrestion of the co weather or not you got tickets for example 3 guys fishing in the same boat while 1 fish short of a 3 man limit, 2 guys are potentialy illegal and can get tickets or so I have heard

    timmy
    Posts: 1960
    February 17, 2012 at 2:35 am #1039959

    Is culling illegal if you are not at your limit? Say you have 5 eyes/saugers in your box and you catch a bigger one – can you upgrade?

    If not, then what about tournaments? Culling happens all the time in tournies……Plus….here is the kicker….when a boat comes in and weighs their fish…they then can release the WHOLE batch of them …… AFTER THE FISH WERE ALREADY REDUCED TO POSSESSION. I call foul.

    Or does the fact that somebody could be making an extra pocketful of cash somehow make it okay?

    When the whole topic of ethics comes up, the situations where money makes it okay really gets under my skin.

    Carry on.

    T

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