Vote Minnesota Lottery proceeds for the outdoors

  • BigWerm
    SW Metro
    Posts: 11889
    #2295674

    There’s a lot more, go down to Article 2 here: https://www.revisor.mn.gov/laws/2023/0/Session+Law/Chapter/60/

    Thanks for posting Reef. There is a ton in there that I really don’t like from funding projects for environmental non-profits that openly oppose hunting/fishing, projects barely applicable to the outdoors ($2.8M to expand mattress and furniture recycling?!?), funding more DEI based projects, the issues brought up with the oversight board, and no protections on public lands acquired with this funding from being given to sovereign tribal trusts.

    With all that said, and after much review, I will be voting in favor of extending it. There have been, and will continue to be a bunch of awesome projects that benefit outdoorspeople directly, and even more importantly in my opinion is this is all voluntary money! No one is forced to play the lottery, and that is where all the funds come from.

    CaptainMusky
    Posts: 23373
    #2295688

    There is never a bill that doesnt have any pork in it. This one included. As mentioned previously the whole lottery thing was supposed to go directly to the outdoors, but somehow the arts benefitted.

    munchy
    NULL
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    #2295710

    but somehow the arts benefitted.

    Well to be fair, the outdoors is mother natures canvas, is it not? jester

    big_g
    Isle, MN
    Posts: 22538
    #2295730

    It’s called the bait and switch. Like any other “dedicated funds”…(think SS) it all gets raided for pet projects and shortcomings in other areas. As long as we allow it and are satisfied with crumbs… vote accordingly.

    jimmysiewert
    Posts: 515
    #2295780

    I will take something over nothing…

    The money is going to be spent somewhere. At least there is still, a lot of money going towards projects that benefit OUR outdoor passions. Why else would you be on this site if the outdoors wasn’t a passion of yours?? Proving a point to end up with nothing is about as smart as they don’t come!

    dirtywater
    Posts: 1627
    #2295784

    I will take something over nothing…

    The money is going to be spent somewhere. At least there is still, a lot of money going towards projects that benefit OUR outdoor passions. Why else would you be on this site if the outdoors wasn’t a passion of yours?? Proving a point to end up with nothing is about as smart as they don’t come!

    This is one group of dudes who won’t be in told what to do, even if it makes alllll the sense in the world. It reminds me of the dolphins qb with 18,000 concussions who won’t wear the guardian cap because “personal choice.” God bless the USA!

    Ice Cap
    Posts: 2173
    #2295854

    With a $18B surplus why is the lottery even needed to produce money for the benefit of the states environment? This state hemorrhages tax payer money. I’m curious as to how many here play the lottery on a regular basis and do you play it because you know the money goes to the environment or would you play it anyhow?

    I do not trust the government of this state to be truthful and forthcoming when it comes to spending funds. General funds or otherwise. You can be fine with a little pork here and a little pork there until the pig comes to eat your entire lunch. whistling

    big_g
    Isle, MN
    Posts: 22538
    #2295856

    I will take something over nothing…

    The money is going to be spent somewhere. At least there is still, a lot of money going towards projects that benefit OUR outdoor passions. Why else would you be on this site if the outdoors wasn’t a passion of yours?? Proving a point to end up with nothing is about as smart as they don’t come!

    Oh well.. when you put it that way… you have changed my mind, I will use all 3 of my votes for YES !!! You are so smart !

    Reef W
    Posts: 2830
    #2295862

    With a $18B surplus why is the lottery even needed to produce money for the benefit of the states environment?

    I don’t think it’s “needed”, the ENRTF is 5% of the DNRs budget and the DNR is the largest recipient. It’s 5% that’s not tax money though and this amendment has no effect on whether the lottery exists or not. The lottery will exist so why wouldn’t we want some of the money to continue to be guaranteed for outdoors purposes?

    munchy
    NULL
    Posts: 4947
    #2295900

    I will take something over nothing…

    The money is going to be spent somewhere. At least there is still, a lot of money going towards projects that benefit OUR outdoor passions. Why else would you be on this site if the outdoors wasn’t a passion of yours?? Proving a point to end up with nothing is about as smart as they don’t come!

    And when in a future with an amendment that they promise to give you eleventy billion dollars but removing the first and second amendment are buried deep in the bill what is your response?

    “I’ll take it over nothing” “The money is going to be spent somewhere”

    I know it’s an extreme example but that is exactly the response politicians are looking for.

    big_g
    Isle, MN
    Posts: 22538
    #2295930

    wasn’t it an ex speaker who said…. “give them crumbs…”

    jimmysiewert
    Posts: 515
    #2295931

    It’s not a friggen tax spend!! Its people that voluntarily spend THEIR money on lottery tickets, etc.!

    It’s no different than if one personally spends THEIR money – after taxes at a bar!!

    They are spending it the way they want to spend it! The government isn’t making them!

    See Big-G – maybe I am smart enough to figure that out if you are are so inclined to judge one’s knowledge level!!

    big_g
    Isle, MN
    Posts: 22538
    #2295977

    You are the one that said..

    Proving a point to end up with nothing is about as smart as they don’t come!

    Which to me is saying, anyone who doesn’t support this racist citizen group is not smart… I actually feel the opposite is true.

    See jimmysiewert… you were the one judging.

    jimmysiewert
    Posts: 515
    #2295981

    If you would read – my use of smart isn’t individualized. There are smart “decisions” and not-so smart “decisions. You personally will not accept meeting anywhere in the middle when it is something viewed as “political”. Not me and the world needs more of us – like there use to be to solve problems. Not constantly complain.

    Onward for me

    Umy
    South Metro
    Posts: 1962
    #2295994

    For what it’s worth, from a Conservative elected official’s standpoint.
    Not saying it’s right,not saying it’s wrong- just Shari g to help w clarity from one angle.

    Eight reasons to vote against the lottery amendment

    There is one constitutional amendment on the ballot this November that seeks to renew and extend an amendment passed originally in 1988 directing proceeds from the Minnesota Lottery into a fund used “for the public purpose of protection, conservation, preservation, and enhancement of the state’s air, water, land, fish, wildlife, and other natural resources.” If this year’s amendment simply extended the current system, I would consider recommending approval. But of course, the DFL legislature couldn’t help themselves and the new amendment will increase the appropriation, remove legislative oversight and create a grant program to give money to non-profits based on “equity.” What could go wrong?

    None of these changes will be spelled-out on the ballot this November — it’s all included in what’s called “enacting language.” The question voters will see is all about clean drinking water, parks, trails, lakes, rivers, rainbows and unicorns:

    “Shall the Minnesota Constitution be amended to protect drinking water sources and the water quality of lakes, rivers, and streams; conserve wildlife habitat and natural areas; improve air quality; and expand access to parks and trails by extending the transfer of proceeds from the state-operated lottery to the environment and natural resources trust fund, and to dedicate the proceeds for these purposes?”

    Who would be against clean water in our lakes and streams?

    Here are eight reasons to vote “no” on extending this funding.

    They are creating a new community (DEI) grant process
    The new language creates a community grant program that will receive 1.5% of the lottery trust fund each year. These grants must be given to people “that are overburdened or underserved,” which is familiar code language that allows liberals to funnel money to their favorite non-profits serving their core constituencies. Fraud and waste in non-profit grant-making has been the hallmark of the Walz administration and if this amendment passes, look for more cronyism, corruption and fraud with public money.

    To hand out these grants to the “community,” the amendment creates a Community Grant Advisory Council heavily stacked with Native American representation. Once again, the 100,000 members of the eleven Minnesota Indian tribes will have a disproportionate influence over taxpayer funds that should benefit all 5.7 million citizens. Four members of the council must be Ojibwe or Dakota and four members must be “Black or African American, Hispanic or Latino, Asian, or Pacific Islander or as members of a community of color.” That means at least eight of the eleven members of the council will represent ethnic and racial minorities.

    This reason alone is enough to vote against the entire amendment.

    2. The legislature will have no control over the Community Grant Advisory Council

    An estimated $25 million a year will be granted to community non-profits under this plan with no scrutiny or accountability from the elected legislature. That’s an unprecedented amount of power for an appointed body.

    3. Lottery funded projects are a consistent source of Golden Turkey award nominees

    Because the money is there and must be allocated for these constitutionally dedicated purposes, sometimes the normal scrutiny and discretion of the legislative process aren’t followed. A lot of the funding is handed out to state agencies and quasi-government organizations like the State Arts Board. These organizations then award grants to individuals and small groups to carry out projects that meet the mission of the funds.

    This multi-layered grant-making process is how we end up with silly and wasteful expenditures that would never make it through the legislative process on merit. Three such examples have made it into the finals of our Golden Turkey Awards:

    The legislature sent $186,000 from the Environment and Natural Resources Trust Fund (ENRTF) to the Natural Resources Research Institute in Duluth “to determine current distribution and habitat associations of northern and southern flying squirrels to fill key knowledge gaps in flying squirrel status in Minnesota.”
    The Legacy Fund, through a grant from the Minnesota Humanities Center, set aside $1,000 of your money for a woman to host a hands-on climate mapping workshop where participants create maps of their personal emotional terrain of climate change.
    The Environment and Natural Resources Trust Fund (ENRTF), through the LCCMR, through the Board of Water and Soil Resources (BWSR), gave $900,000 to the Lawns to Legumes program to give homeowners $350 grants not to mow their lawns in an effort to improve habitat for bees.
    With the new DEI council handing out grants to non-profits, the Golden Turkey committee will find even more opportunities for nominations from the ENRTF.

    4. They are increasing funding for these projects

    The allocation each year increases from 5.5% of the principal in the trust fund to 7%. The trust fund balance is currently around $1.9 billion.

    5. They snuck in language to prohibit funding for wastewater treatment

    There used to be a healthy debate about whether wastewater treatment projects were eligible for funding from the lottery. Republicans argue that helping cities clean up wastewater is one of the best ways to protect drinking water sources and water quality, as the amendment calls for. Democrats have fought these expenditures because they use up funding that could go to their pet projects (see above) to protect the environment.

    The new language ends this debate in favor of the big spenders by prohibiting spending “related to the construction, repair, improvement, or operation of any facility or system that processes wastewater but may be used to pay for research related to wastewater.” We don’t need to research wastewater. We simply need to fund the hundreds of projects around the state that are shovel ready.

    6. It’s being funded by the usual liberal suspects

    As my colleague Bill Glahn writes about here, the usual liberal suspects are lining up to fund this ballot initiative. The largest single donor to the fund is Alida Messinger, the Rockefeller-oil heiress and former wife of the former governor Mark Dayton. She gave $200,000. Another $200,000 was donated by the left-wing advocacy group Conservation Minnesota. Sometimes all you need to know about a vote is who is supporting the other side.

    7. Constitutionally dedicated funding is bad policy

    Using constitutional amendments to allocate tax revenue for specific purposes is really bad public policy. First, it abdicates the responsibility of the legislature and governor to set priorities and manage the state budget. Second, dedicating funding through the constitution ties the hands of policymakers in the event there is a budget deficit.

    Dedicated funding handcuffs legislators in times of budget crisis and forces them to stubbornly fund wasteful projects while other parts of the budget suffer.

    8. Government revenue from gambling is wrong

    Relying on a vice like gambling to fund state government is questionable policy. Encouraging citizens to gamble by playing the lottery while knowing the devastating consequences problem gambling has on Minnesota families is not the right way to protect our water. The lottery also receives a disproportionate share of its revenue from poorer parts of the state. According to the Minnesota Reformer, “[lottery proceeds] come disproportionately from people in Minnesota’s low-income neighborhoods, effectively turning the state lottery into a highly regressive tax on the working class.”

    What if it fails?

    The threshold for constitutional amendments is purposely very hard to reach. In order for the amendment to pass, a majority of voters have to vote yes, not just a majority of those voting on the amendment. So not voting is tantamount to voting no. In a presidential election, many voters simply vote for president and leave the rest of the ballot blank.

    On the other hand, many low-information voters will read the well-intentioned language of the amendment and vote yes. Again, who is against clean water?

    If the amendment fails, the principal of the trust fund will remain in place for the legislature to spend but no new revenue will be directed to the principal from the lottery. Instead, excess lottery funds will simply flow to the general fund, making them available for other purposes —

    glenn57
    cold spring mn
    Posts: 12088
    #2296129

    Caption musky, are you in Stearns cty??

    mark Mason
    Posts: 117
    #2296534

    Related to the election next week: Judge Matthew Frank is up for re-election in Hennepin County District Court. You may remember him from the Chauvin/Floyd case before he was appointed a judgeship.

    CaptainMusky
    Posts: 23373
    #2296545

    Caption musky, are you in Stearns cty??

    Yes, but mysteriously we have a Rice address even though that is in Benton. I’ll take it though instead of being Sartell because my taxes would be triple what I am paying

    glenn57
    cold spring mn
    Posts: 12088
    #2296548

    Wierd. jester didvyou happen to get a postcard explaining the other referendum on Stearns cty ballots regarding how paying for the new jail the state is mandating?

    buckybadger
    Upper Midwest
    Posts: 8389
    #2296550

    I agree with many (but not all) of the conservative writer’s opinions and listed reasons posted by Umy.

    #2 – That reads as a “don’t trust the non-profits receiving the funds, trust the politicans instead” type statement. I have minimal trust in most of our politicans who make laws and control funding – from either side of the aisle. When money is allocated, bad actors follow. I don’t care at what level of society/government the situation exists. Letting crooked politicans control the funding versus mandating where it goes isn’t necessarily the answer either. I’d personally support mandating the funds to logical outdoors related things rather than pet projects OR having politicans corruptly manage them.

    #8 – Government funding from gambling is a more constructive use of these dollars than outcomes associated with illegal gambling. People are going to gamble and have gambled for generations. Doing something constructive with some of the funds isn’t a concern of mine. Nobody is forced to gamble. Do it at your own risk.

    CaptainMusky
    Posts: 23373
    #2296551

    Wierd. didvyou happen to get a postcard explaining the other referendum on Stearns cty ballots regarding how paying for the new jail the state is mandating?

    If we did I didnt see it. My wife just threw a pile of my mail at me last night and it wasnt in there. I will check it could be by the front door where she likes pile all her stuff later.

    Riverrat
    Posts: 1586
    #2296554

    The post by Umy is a copy and paste version already linked in an earlier post by The American Experiment. The same one that got me posting about squirrels, because that is one of his arguments.
    The legislature sent $186,000 from the Environment and Natural Resources Trust Fund (ENRTF) to the Natural Resources Research Institute in Duluth “to determine current distribution and habitat associations of northern and southern flying squirrels to fill key knowledge gaps in flying squirrel status in Minnesota.”

    Like I said him and my dad would get along great in their mutual hatred for squirrels and their funding.

    Take the derelict gamblers money and give it to the squirrels, poop, its better than giving it to a legislature that cant spend their money effectively regardless of party.

    CaptainMusky
    Posts: 23373
    #2296584

    Take the derelict gamblers money and give it to the squirrels, poop, its better than giving it to a legislature that cant spend their money effectively regardless of party.

    Its not gambling when you usually win.

    10klakes
    Posts: 559
    #2296586

    “Instead, excess lottery funds will simply flow to the general fund, making them available for other purposes”

    Great so Walz or Flannigan, who ever is governor after the Election, will be able to convince legislature to spend the new money to meet their agenda.

    Riverrat
    Posts: 1586
    #2296588

    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Riverrat wrote:</div>
    Take the derelict gamblers money and give it to the squirrels, poop, its better than giving it to a legislature that cant spend their money effectively regardless of party.

    Its not gambling when you usually win.

    It starts with a scratcher, then before you know it your out on the street trying to raise money to buy the devils lettuce from EPG, or worse buying the devils energy drinks and eating the devils peachy o’s.

    Brad Dimond
    Posts: 1486
    #2296591

    Great so Walz or Flannigan, who ever is governor after the Election, will be able to convince legislature to spend the new money to meet their agenda.

    Isn’t that what happens in every election, regardless of which party wins the governor’s race? I certainly don’t agree with the manner in which much of the money was spent last session. Then again, I didn’t agree with how money was spent or not spent in the preceding sessions.

    Umy
    South Metro
    Posts: 1962
    #2296643

    Too all – YES
    I simply cut and pasted an acquaintance and fellow Rotarians position as an elected official.
    To be sure I do not agree with all of it either.
    I do not want the politicians getting it in the general fund NOR do I want a board of equity chosen “individuals” dictating how MY money can be spent.
    In most ways I am screwed either way.

    HOWEVER: If the amendment fails, the principal of the trust fund will remain in place for the legislature to spend but no new revenue will be directed to the principal from the lottery. Instead, excess lottery funds will simply flow to the general fund, making them available for other purposes —

    No new principal but the remaining principle will still be there and the interest alone is a substantial amount.

    My two cents

    Brad Dimond
    Posts: 1486
    #2296650

    Regardless of party, legislators have been angry about the lottery proceed dedication and the sales tax dedication since their respective inceptions. It takes money out of their control and puts it where voters have explicitly stated they want it spent. Lottery proceeds to the general fund would be a disgrace.

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