Phil,
I would be surprised if anyone contested your observations of character-decline in professional sports, but I’m not getting your affection for Kaepernick. Anyone short of his agent shouldn’t really care what he’s doing. You’re taking everyone on and I’m wondering why. Is it that you’re upset with the Vikings for losing and it’s manifesting through this topic?
All of this speculation is with the assumption that Kaepernick really does have a strong desire to play football. I’m not sure that’s really the case, at least not at the pay that some teams may be willing to offer him.
Go ahead Phil play the race card. I know you are dying to do it. 
Go ahead Phil play the race card. I know you are dying to do it.
Words cut as deep as a knife. Think before you type.
I don’t know anyone on this site at all, so I have no idea if Phil is, in fact, trying to start an online race war, but unless you know for a fact that he is that’s a pretty inflammatory thing to say.
If he were worth signing he would have been, but he is not signed, move along.
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Go ahead Phil play the race card. I know you are dying to do it.
Words cut as deep as a knife. Think before you type.I don’t know anyone on this site at all, so I have no idea if Phil is, in fact, trying to start an online race war, but unless you know for a fact that he is that’s a pretty inflammatory thing to say.
Well………how do you interput this?
It’s almost like being a terrible human being doesn’t seem to matter, almost something else in this situation that is different. If only I could put my finger on it….
For the record I don’t believe Phil is trying to start a on-line race war. Those are your words not mine. However it is apparent at least to me that he is inferring race is playing a role. In a league where the majority of the players these days are black I don’t know to what extent race plays a role. Being the owners are all white I suppose that could play a part. But these owners have proved time and time again that if you can play nothing else matters enough to keep you out of the league. IMO he can’t play and the baggage he decided to bring with him keeps him sitting. I have no problem at all with that. In fact I was one of the few that was upset when Ziggy rewarded Peterson right after he beat his kid with a stick.
Phil, if you want my opinion on this (and I know you don’t) Ziggy will stay far away from Kapernick. Not because he is black but because of the baggage. You must remember Ziggy is spit shining Mpls. (getting the homeless moved out of sight) for the Super Bowl. The only riff raff the players and owners want around that week are drug dealers and hookers.
For the record I could give a crap less what they do. They trip up and I’ll rip them same as any other team.
If he were worth signing he would have been, but he is not signed, move along.
Breaking news, he has signed…
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Andy,
The fact that you keep playing that same joke makes it that much more hilarious!!!!
Better get a hair net on that beard…
I think this says it all!
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I see it from a different view. Most do not agree with what he did to protest. What he did took courage and I respect that. I do not hear him on all the news sites that I get complaining. It looks like to me he is trying to stand up for a group of people he feels are over looked.
He had one good run, he now is a terrible QB and a cancer to any team that dares take him. BUT, if the Vikes want him by all means scoop him up and keep this tail spin to the toilet going strong 
He’s doesn’t fit our offense. When he had his good run San Francisco ran the pistol offense which is what he ran in college, teams adjusted the next year and it was shutdown, he can’t make consistent NFL throws hence he doesn’t have a job!
the problem is there was absolutely no drop off in nhl/blackhawk viewership with the kane stuff and none with kobe and the lakers either so i don’t know where that info is coming from. Just google NFL rating and politics. you’ll have all the info you need. ESPN did its darndest to try and refute it but it didn’t measure up.
people keep bringing up all the other bad stuff nfl players do that still have jobs and its absurd. thats because those players that still have jobs are top players in their positions. once again collin is barely a starter. see ray rice. ray had probably 3 or 4 good years left in the nfl. he’s gone. if your skill outweighs your baggage you’ll find work. its like that in almost every job on the planet.
Disagree with anyone who says what he did took courage. It got him attention the prime motivator as he was completely out of the spotlight. He did more than not stand. He wore a castro t-shirt a real sign of intelligence. He also wore the socks with pigs as cops. His whole move does nothing to bring the country together which is what we need. Between media, politicians, etc… too much dividing. The more a group, organization, country works together the better off we’ll all be.
If he wants to look at any of the past civil rights leaders movements they were uniting groups not pushing them apart.
the problem is there was absolutely no drop off in nhl/blackhawk viewership with the kane stuff
What stuff are you referring to?
he did this because he knew his “game” couldn’t keep him in the league anymore… so he could now say… guess what ? “I am out of a job because I kneel during the anthem”. Wouldn’t doubt his agent came up with this scheme, he doesn’t seem bright enough.
This is another view………
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/nfl-tv-ratings-slide-worries-wall-street-1041187
For the record I don’t believe Phil is trying to start a on-line race war. Those are your words not mine. However it is apparent at least to me that he is inferring race is playing a role. In a league where the majority of the players these days are black I don’t know to what extent race plays a role. Being the owners are all white I suppose that could play a part. But these owners have proved time and time again that if you can play nothing else matters enough to keep you out of the league. IMO he can’t play and the baggage he decided to bring with him keeps him sitting. I have no problem at all with that. In fact I was one of the few that was upset when Ziggy rewarded Peterson right after he beat his kid with a stick.
Phil, if you want my opinion on this (and I know you don’t) Ziggy will stay far away from Kapernick. Not because he is black but because of the baggage. You must remember Ziggy is spit shining Mpls. (getting the homeless moved out of sight) for the Super Bowl. The only riff raff the players and owners want around that week are drug dealers and hookers.
For the record I could give a crap less what they do. They trip up and I’ll rip them same as any other team.
You bring up a good point about the super bowl, I hadn’t thought about that. And as much as I don’t act like it, I understand the ‘baggage'(whether I agree with it or not).
As you mentioned, race war is pretty extreme, I honestly wanted to hear the on field justifications for Kaep not being on a team right now(I don’t profess to be a football genius or anything). So far that’s basically boiled down to ‘he’s not good enough to play’. Which is what I struggle believing, given some of the current crop of QBs in the league and what the numbers say. Everyone points to his inability to throw the ball, but he had 16 TDs and 4 picks in 11 starts last year for a San Francisco offense headlined by these receivers:
Jeremy Kerley
Quinton Patton
Garret Celek
Shaun Draughn
That’s not exactly a robust receiving corp. That’s a 23 TD/6 Int pace that would put him above Flacco(20/15), Newton(19/14), Bradford(20/5), Dalton(18/8), Wilson(21/11).
I do want to point out that there is a large difference between saying ‘He’s not being signed because he’s black’ and ‘he’s not being signed because he started/contributed to an uncomfortable commentary on how blacks are treated in the US today(or however you want to describe that)’. I don’t want this thread to re-tread all of that stuff, but those are VASTLY different reasons and I hope that’s clear.
the problem is there was absolutely no drop off in nhl/blackhawk viewership with the kane stuff and none with kobe and the lakers either so i don’t know where that info is coming from. Just google NFL rating and politics. you’ll have all the info you need. ESPN did its darndest to try and refute it but it didn’t measure up.
people keep bringing up all the other bad stuff nfl players do that still have jobs and its absurd. thats because those players that still have jobs are top players in their positions. once again collin is barely a starter. see ray rice. ray had probably 3 or 4 good years left in the nfl. he’s gone. if your skill outweighs your baggage you’ll find work. its like that in almost every job on the planet.
Nice,
“Can you show me some research that backs up your argument?”
– Me
“ehhh, google it”
-You
‘Barely a starter’ is seriously better than a lot of QB options though. That’s my point. Remember when Christian Ponder was our QB? He was great right, total game changer. I don’t know a single person that was impressed with him. But, he led us to a division title in 2012, beating the Packers in our last game to take the division. Then he was out during our playoff game against the Packers and we had Joe Webb fill in. Ponder was far from a franchise quarterback, but he was WAY better than Joe Webb. That’s the kind of difference I’m talking about.
Post all the quarterbacks you want to compare him to it doesn’t matter. His limited ability + baggage = a unemployed quarterback. It’s not just the Vikings who are steering clear…………it’s every other team in the league. Fact is, I wonder if anybody in the Canadian league has contacted him? 
He wouldn’t play on the CFL. No anthem to kneel to.
He wouldn’t play on the CFL. No anthem to kneel to.
Kneeling during Oh Canada? Taking a snooze is more likely going to be the case. If he goes up there, the Canadians might be willing to take Bieber back if we take Kappernick back. I’d be in for that deal.
Free speech goes both ways. When I go running my mouth, I don’t expect everyone that disagrees with me to keep their mouths shut and put up with my crap.
Owners are entitled to ignor him if they don’t want the deal with his baggage. That’s also free speech.
A government entity? That’s a different can of worms.
Maybe Canada?
I do want to point out that there is a large difference between saying ‘He’s not being signed because he’s black’ and ‘he’s not being signed because he started/contributed to an uncomfortable commentary on how blacks are treated in the US today(or however you want to describe that)’.
But he has been signed…he’s just not “lovin it”
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How about we talk about J.J. Watts who raised money to help people in Houston after hurricane Irma?
Okay, as I posted at the beginning of this thread…I have no comment on either side. I just sprinkle some “comic relief” as I find this thread amusing based on Phil the OP when this was included in the original post;
“I don’t want to re-hash the old Kaep threads, this is seriously a ‘why do we have a crappy backup QB when a capable one is sitting there unsigned?”’
Not sure what you expected different this time Phil, but this thread has more or less mirrored the same “merry-go-round” as the one from last year.
I do not disrespect you at all Phil, I think you are directing your campaign to the wrong audience. You are trying to reason from your platform to those that have already made up their minds. A Democrat senator has little chance of convincing other Republican senators in committee to cross party lines.
Divisions are far more common than “universal unity” in all societies on this planet.
No offense but if he’s such a good QB he could win with anybody catching the ball. The guy went 1-10 as a starter last year, that’s junk. If he wanted to play he’d be playing. I’d take any backup in the league over him right now without question, at least they want to play football!
On a side note 2016 Case Keenum went 4-5 in 9 starts with 9td/11int with almost the same passing yards and even less to throw to in st Louis. 2 less starts and similar Comp % and attempts and almost spot on yards. Plus playing for way less money, a higher winning %, and ran a similar offense….. Oh and no baggage.
I’m not even going to get into all the non football controversy, I’ll just say if you owned a team would it be worth the headache? Not to me if I can get a competent backup with similar stats, a cheaper price and no baggage!
Nice,
“Can you show me some research that backs up your argument?”
– Me“ehhh, google it”
-You
i have 0 interest in convincing you of anything. you are literally creating a false narrative in ratings drops from nhl/nba perspectives. kaepernick was offered a contract at league minimum and said no, so he doesn’t want to play at the going market rate for a player of his caliber with the baggage that comes with it. welcome to America the land of the free.
but anyway the article above you spelled it out perfectly.
anyways, i agree with you. you are not an nfl genius.
Speaking of false narratives, what is your source for saying he turned down a contract? I see articles saying he did and then his camp came out and denied that a day later. You want to make a statement along the lines of “some sources say he was offered a contract but there is no evidence and his camp is denying that” fine but unless I am missing something your claim that he was offered a contract is hot air.
He did opt out of the last year of his contract with the 49ers. Granted, they would have cut him anyway.
Nevermind. I don’t even care. Carry on
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