<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>CaptainMusky wrote:</div>
Kwesi took pick 12 and turned it into Cine, Booth, Ingram, and Asamoah.
That’s damn impressive IMO.Rick is that you?
Rick does have lots of time on his hands these days? I think Kwesi was trying to impress the new bosses by wheeling and dealing.
Hey at least with Rick out, we don’t have to worry about him trading back into the 7th round so we can get another 4 picks
Kwesi took pick 12 and turned it into Cine (32), Booth (42), Ingram (59), and Asamoah (66).
That’s damn impressive IMO.
Not really, it’s too complicated to type out here, but to simplify it they traded 12 and 34 overall and some later rounders for those guys. Here’s the detailed breakdown, just scroll down a bit.
I really do love the draft. I think it’s fair to grade based on value and trade charts as in what was given up for a certain picks, but grading overall team performance or grading individual picks is pretty nonsensical and about as accurate as grading a Powerball ticket before the numbers are drawn. I know it’s cliche and boring, but you really need to give it a few years. Heard on KFAN today that a few years ago some article gave the Vikings an “A” on drafting TJ Clemmings (not sure I spelled that right) but gave them a “D” on drafting Danielle Hunter in the 3rd round.
If you drafted Stefon Diggs, Dak Prescott, Adam Thielen, and plenty more guys today, you’d for sure draft them first-round, yet they were rounds 5, 4, and undrafted, respectively.
I heard that Kwesi is big on what they as a team value a pick as. Like it or not, the guy has an analytic and even financial background, and he used the analogy of being about to close on a house when all of a sudden someone points out another property you might be interested in that’s maybe better or costs less. He said if you’ve done your homework and are happy with what you’re about to purchase it takes on its own value to you, and that’s a much different value than what other scouts or ESPN employees might value it as.
We’ve gotta give it time with this new regime. There had been speculation that maybe KOC would go for some offensive starpower because that’s his thing, so I give him a ton of credit for filling spots of need (mostly defense).
Time will tell but for most fans, they knew a lot about Kyle Hamilton and nothing about Cine, so they’re upset when really it’s just because one was more akin to a celebrity and they hadn’t heard about the other.
The pedigree of Cine…wow. I know a player’s school isn’t EVERYTHING, but I’m willing to have some patience on guys from the bigger SEC schools, or an OSU, etc. Beating the best college coach of all-time on that big of a stage, AND being defensive MVP that game on a historic defense…the guy’s already played on a huge stage. And hearing him on with PA, the guy seems extremely smart, humble, wants to invest his money, etc. One of my biggest worries is honestly how many 15-yard targeting penalties he’ll cost the Vikings.
x2 Dan, great post.
Ultimately, is the first-round pick even relevant to the Vikings ?
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Ultimately, is the first-round pick even relevant to the Vikings ?
In the last 10 years, I’d say Harrison Smith, Xavier Rhodes, Cordarrelle Patterson, Anthony Barr, Trae Waynes, and Justin Jefferson are all pretty relevant NFL players. Mike Hughes, Shariff Floyd and Teddy were all trending that way as well before significant injuries and Gladney’s legal issues derailed his career before it got started, and tbd on Darrisaw and Cine…so 6 out of 13 have had nice NFL careers, with 3 certified busts (Kalil, Bradbury and Treadwell). Not sure what the league success rate is, but I’d bet it’s close to that. Oh and all those, save Cine, were picked by the previous regime, so not too relevant to now. Nice try tho Champ!
Ultimately, is the first-round pick even relevant to the Vikings ?
some exceptional players on that list!
AP
HArvin
Smith
Rhodes
JJ
are all massive hits
Barr and Bridgewater have had at least somewhat productive careers which is more than you can say about at least half of first round picks in any given year. Floyds career was ruined by injury. Patterson is hanging around having an impact. throw out darrisaw and Cine cause they havent had enough time to be evaluated yet.
so out of 18 picks 5 of them are stars. that means 28% of your picks become pro-bowlers. another 2 were serviceable and only really 9 were busts or 50%.
Honestly thats pretty good, especially when you consider that with the exception of AP all of the guy who hit were late round picks. Rhodes, Harvin, JJ, and Smith were all picked in the 20s
Nice try tho Champ!
Honestly thats pretty good, especially when you consider that with the exception of AP all of the guy who hit were late round picks. Rhodes, Harvin, JJ, and Smith were all picked in the 20s
So what you are saying here is the later in the first round you pick the more of a crap shoot it is correct?
Honestly thats pretty good, especially when you consider that with the exception of AP all of the guy who hit were late round picks. Rhodes, Harvin, JJ, and Smith were all picked in the 20s
So what you are saying here is the later in the first round you pick the more of a crap shoot it is correct?
im saying the higher the pick the better the prospect. i havent seen the numbers but i would assume that the higher the pick (better prospect) has a better chance of becoming a stud in the NFL. If someone can find numbers on the chances of stardom in correlation to their draft status id be curious to see them. Im sure they are somewhat all over the place but i would imagine that there is at least a slightly better chance that those drafted in the top 10 have a better hit rate than those drafted from 20-30
I agree with you was just checking as I think we can all agree then the moving from 12 to 32 is much more of a crap shoot correct?
I agree with you was just checking as I think we can all agree then the moving from 12 to 32 is much more of a crap shoot correct?
Sure. ya i would probably agree with that. of course by adding 2 additional picks in the process you get to roll the dice 2 more times. As to which odds are better and what makes for a better team that can be debated until the cows come home
I heard yesterday that McCardle lobbied for the Vikings NOT to draft a WR at #12 and that was largely why they traded out of it. If the WR coach doesnt want a WR at that spot it might say something.
One of the draft grades I saw for the Vikings gave them an A- so not everyone thinks they got fleeced.
But they didn’t get two additional picks. They gave up 2 to get 3.
One was much worse than the original the other was slightly better value and the third was a third rounder which is obviously more of a crap shoot. They then traded the one that was slightly more valuable to move back again. Which no way at the time they could have had this in their plans.
So I guess I am failing to see what magic the vikes did. It’s easy to trade back you just have to answer the phone and say yes.
Now did they draft the best player available where they selected? That remains to be seen but they did not draft the best player available at the original draft positions they had.
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But they didn’t get two additional picks. They gave up 2 to get 3.
You’re right on that.
As bigwerm mentioned earlier it’s really a pointless exercise to talk about who won the draft or who knocked it out of the park and who did terrible. It’s all 100% conjecture. I recall reading someone slammed the Vikings for wasting a 4th rd pick on Danielle Hunter back in the day….
I would have preferred they took Hamilton at 12 but they didn’t so….time to get excited about the guys we do have and hope they pan out
My point was relevant to the Vikings ?
Drafting, developing, and then keeping … you cannot control injury, but you can draft character.
4 (for now are still Vikings). Bradberry 5th year option is a no go. Barr fate with Vikings is to be determined. Smith should retire a Viking. Keeping JJ on his post rookie contract will be difficult if he stays on the track he is going on.
Hughs and Gladney were to be key CBs in Zimm’s plan. Those two (for different reasons) helped seal his fate as HC.
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