SD Roosters…

  • roosterrouster
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    The "IGH"...
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    #212269

    Do you know the feeling when you pull up to a WMA in Mn. and think to yourself, “Its late December and this place has been hammered by hunters for over two months. There’s nothing here…” That was my feeling when I pulled up to a Public spot West of Aberdeen, SD last Friday to begin my 3 day hunt. An hour later and 7 birds down, myself and two others were in shock! We saw maybe 500 birds and no-kidding, the hen/rooster ratio was 2 hens to every rooster! One near by ditch and we were filled out by noon (shooting begins at 10am in SD…). We did some scouting for the next day later that evening and saw maybe 2,000 birds in fields, ditches, fence posts and even a roof top! Paradise man! There was no need to knock on doors. With public lands aplenty’ and birds in most locations we had no issues getting birds. Cannot wait to get back in a couple weeks! RR

    marsh_monster
    Metro
    Posts: 162
    #116729

    How many guys did you have out there with ya?

    suzuki
    Woodbury, Mn
    Posts: 18625
    #116730

    I hunted SD Fri-Sun and know what you mean. We saw shocking numbers of birds. Like a dream. And the numbers were down from years past.

    kooty
    Keymaster
    1 hour 15 mins to the Pond
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    #116732

    Great report! I always like hearing about back “home”.

    farmboy1
    Mantorville, MN
    Posts: 3668
    #116733

    Dang that looks like fun. Way to go

    Care to share what area of the state you were in? I am looking to get a trip in before it all closes down for the year.

    chappy
    Hastings, MN
    Posts: 4854
    #116961

    I guess hte DNR numbers were wrong out there huh? I had heard Minnesota, No. and So. Dakota were way down. That looks very promising for a come back! Unlike Minnesota!

    clicker
    Posts: 78
    #118853

    Things will be fine in SD unless the farms start plowing up everything and making every field they have crop fields.

    With the high yeilds and prices of some crops a lot of farmers are doing this. Stop them from doing this and pheasants will be fine. Don’t let south dakota become the NEXT Minnesota.

    kooty
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    #118857

    Sadly, the eastern part of the state has taken on the Mn mentality. I’ve witnessed more drain tile being installed than I’ve ever seen in the last year. Not that this part of the state was a ever a mecca for pheasants, but it produces a solid portion of the ducks in the upper midwest.

    corey_waller
    hastings mn
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    #118889

    I agree Kooty its been the same in easter ND as well

    clicker
    Posts: 78
    #118892

    We gotta get out through to washington to make the CRP programs more profitable for farmers!!!!!!!!!!

    kooty
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    #118897

    My dad and I are considering putting our small amount of land in the permanent CRP program. Still trying to gather details on what we can and can’t do when it comes to food plots, adding stock dams or trees.

    At any rate, we will always have a place for the birds to come and survive the winters and raise more babies. Unfortunately, not everyone feels this way. As a matter of fact, I know many farmers who would rather get another 2-3 acres of land out of those fence lines than help the wildlife. I’m not here to judge, but it has caused some heated discussions at family gatherings.

    clicker
    Posts: 78
    #118944

    Join your local pheasants forever chapter. They will show you and tell you what you need to do to create a habitat. If you have ONE thing missing from your habitat the brids might not see a reason to stay there…

    As for your family members who are farmers….

    Hypothetically, ask your family members what they are going to do with their empty fields? When they look at you funny just throw some things out there.

    Cars are turning to electric these days, soon I’m sure they will be mostly electric. Thus the demand for corn for the use of fuel drops.

    The bi-product of ethanol is used to feed pigs, if ethanol demand goes down, the bi-product produced isn’t as high in yield. Thus the demand for pigs goes up, and so does the price for pork which is already spendy.

    Farmers who are taking advantage of the corn being used for fuel, are getting rid of live stock such as cattle because the corn yields higher profit. So now some farms have no live stock and pastures. Thus they have no use for corn, or corn stalks for feed. Now with the ethanol on low demand, the farmers could really be in trouble with low payouts per bushel.

    Iowa, Illinois, Nebraska and Minnesota account for over 50 percent of the corn grown in the U.S. Other major corn growing states are Indiana, Ohio, Wisconsin, South Dakota, Michigan, Missouri, Kansas and Kentucky.

    Then tell them this. The CRP Program is a program for agricultural landowners that will receive annual rental payments and cost-share assistance to establish long-term, resource conserving covers on eligible farmland.

    CRP protects millions of acres of American topsoil from erosion and is designed to safeguard the Nation’s natural resources. By reducing water runoff and sedimentation, CRP protects groundwater and helps improve the condition of lakes, rivers, ponds, and streams. Acreage enrolled in the CRP is planted to resource-conserving vegetative covers, making the program a major contributor to increased wildlife populations in many parts of the country.

    What sounds better, preserving natrual farm land, or plowing up to yield high dollars now, and who knows what later???

    Luckily where I hunt in SD, the land owners have CRP programs in set, as well as food plots and shelter belts on all their land for all wildlife. Non residents coming to their land paying cash to hunt on it sounds way better then turning in bushels of corn…. In fact I know they like the cash better then taking the chance with a good growing season making money by corn.

    farmboy1
    Mantorville, MN
    Posts: 3668
    #118951

    Clicker,

    I am not calling you out, but there are a number of errors in your post. And for the record, I no longer farm, but am still active in initiatives in the farming industry and have a good feel for the markets.

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    Cars are turning to electric these days, soon I’m sure they will be mostly electric. Thus the demand for corn for the use of fuel drops.


    I would wager a guess that the US will never have a higher number of electric cars than gas. It is simply not efficient. Electric cars are in essence taking the pollution from the tailpipe, and putting it at the smokestacks. It is a coal vs gas discussion. Neither of which benefits our wildlife. We also do not have adequate charging stations or a power grid to support a very high load.

    I do think we are at the brink of developing different technologies that will allow us to use different fuels, but we are far from there now. Switchgrass is a huge buzzword, but we would be 15-20 years away at best. There is also some interesting research on use of cattle/hogs to produce methane for power, but all the research I have done shows a huge initial output, and huge operating and maintenance costs. Just adding fuel for thought.

    If I were to invest in some “clean” fuels right now, it would be a biodiesel facility. HUGE upside, moderate initial investment, and works within our existing infrastructure. For about $10,000 I could have my own biodiesel plant and run my vehicles off of some form of recycled cooking or vegetable oil. The downside to this is the regulation of “green” lobby not allowing the construction of new facilities for this, similar to oil refineries. These technologies are in a similar place to computers in the early 80’s. They have a long way to go, but there are some great possibilities.

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    Farmers who are taking advantage of the corn being used for fuel, are getting rid of live stock such as cattle because the corn yields higher profit. So now some farms have no live stock and pastures. Thus they have no use for corn, or corn stalks for feed. Now with the ethanol on low demand, the farmers could really be in trouble with low payouts per bushel.


    Farmers are not raising as much beef because they have to feed $4 per bushel corn to an animal. They flat out cannot afford to do this. A cost benefit would put their money WAY better spent on planting corn.

    Farmers are selling a product on an open market for what the market is offering. They are not selling for fuel, for food, or anything else. Congress has made this bubble with these mandates. If you do not agree with ethanol (and I don’t), send our legislators mail letting them know. IMHO, the only benefit to ethanol is investing money in research for future fuels. A kind of “we need to start somewhere” mentality.

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    Then tell them this. The CRP Program is a program for agricultural landowners that will receive annual rental payments and cost-share assistance to establish long-term, resource conserving covers on eligible farmland.


    CRP provides an average annual payment per acre of $55.06. Compare that to the rent in our area of around $250 per acre and you can see that while it is the right thing to do, it is very hard for a business person to put any major acreage into this program due to dollars and sense.

    Farmers then also have to plant cover crop (hay, grasslands, etc) and keep any weeds (thistle, sunflower, elephant ear) mowed from these lands. It is far from a free lunch.

    Now I am not disagreeing that this is a valuable program, and should be considered by a lot of people, especially in areas of marginal farmland and highly erodible surfaces (what it was designed for), but how much money would you be willing to loose. I don’t think many, if any, of us would be willing to donate over half our paycheck to a cause.

    However, I do see this corn market and corresponding land values tanking in the near future very similar to the housing market bust. If this does happen you will see a increase in the amount of farmland put back into CRP, but we are still a few years from this. This would have to happen along with our legislators slowing/eliminating the ethanol mandates, but it will eventually happen.

    I think a far bigger issue is draining of marginal farmlands via drain tile. My crystal ball tells me that this cannot continue to happen and within the next 10 years you will see more drain tiles feeding into “settling ponds” similar to what you see in city developments. These would allow for wildlife, less water into our rivers, and less runoff. I would also be a huge fan of developing these into shelter belts. There are some programs that provides trees at a heavy discount to help with this, but I do not know any of these details about that program.

    I know we as sportsmen feel like farmers are these great “stewards of our land”, but in truth they are just guys like us trying to make a living. Sometime these two things work together, but sometimes they are not. As with everything in life, there are good and bad people/farmers and the bad seem to be much more visible.

    And just to throw some more junk into an already long post, look into the “Farm” budget sometime. About 10% of this relates to real farmers. Most of this budget is used on welfare, food stamps, etc.

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