Uncle Ted's thoughts on CWD

What are your thoughts here does Uncle Ted know what he is talking about?

I find Ted more trustworthy than politicians.

first off,I havent lived long enough to see a bacteria or virus live through a 400 degree cook,bake,or fry.
call me crazy if you want,but fishing,hunting,gun ownership,etc. has been in a steep funnel for a long time now.

its easy to figure out an agenda when you follow the money.

No. He does not know what he is talking about. The first error he said was CWD was started by Colorado Div. of Wildlife (now Colorado Parks and Wildlife). CWD was first detected at a research facility at Colorado State University while doing scabies research on domestic sheep.

There are deer herds in Wyoming that have declined 35% due to CWD. In the area where I hunt white-tailed deer (different from the herd mentioned in the previous sentence) the WT’s have declined by at least 35% and maybe 50%. Now, I don’t know if all that decline is due to CWD, some of the decline could be attributed to EHD (no EHD identified this year) , but the last two years the WT bucks that my wife has shot have both tested positive for CWD. And, there was a sickly looking WT buck in the area when we started hunting this year that disappeared by the time we were done hunting the area.

CWD is always fatal, it may take many years for a deer to die after they contact it, but they will eventually die. This is the reason you read and hear about hunters shooting healthy looking deer that test positive for CWD. Those deer are most likely in the early stages of having CWD.

Buffalo Fishhead

Iowaboy1 wrote:

first off,I havent lived long enough to see a bacteria or virus live through a 400 degree cook,bake,or fry.
call me crazy if you want,but fishing,hunting,gun ownership,etc. has been in a steep funnel for a long time now.

its easy to figure out an agenda when you follow the money.

CWD is not caused by a bacteria or virus. It is caused by a mutated protein called a prion. Totally different.

Buffalo Fishhead

never said it was

we get every deer tested and throw the + in the dumpster. i’d be happy to drop them at teds door if he wants to send me his address.

deer farms aren’t a problem..hmmm, the % of cwd+ deer/elk on farms compared to the wild population is what??

ted being ted, how many hunting violations in how many states in the last 10 years, yet so many continue to let him be their mouthpiece.

my understanding is most of those violation occurred while filming his “hunting” show (i mean if high fences and bait piles are your thing), which is ironic that he then goes on to accuse those who don’t agree with him as having an agenda…really ted? your agenda is making money and it appears you’re willing to break the game laws of the precious protein you claim to protect/respect, all for the mighty $.

Iowaboy1 wrote:

first off,I havent lived long enough to see a bacteria or virus live through a 400 degree cook,bake,or fry.
call me crazy if you want,but fishing,hunting,gun ownership,etc. has been in a steep funnel for a long time now.

its easy to figure out an agenda when you follow the money.

i’m curious, what is the agenda and who is making money from the cwd “hysteria”? tell what path to follow, because i’d be curious to see where it goes. have you ever followed ted’s $??

BF-with ya

How does ted know how many deer in the world have died from cwd? how could they even calculate that? to proclaim more deer die from dogs in MI every year than the amount of deer that have ever died from cwd is simply crap because we don’t know

He drives me nuts!! Here is a recent article about cwd in Wisconsin.

madison.com/tncms/asset/editorial/a75c83b0-30e7-51b1-a1fc-a334adaeff30

first off,I am having a bit of fun,I made three truthful statements,not once did I say anything about CWD even though that is what the OP posted about.

however,I have to question CWD as we have all read where there was hundreds if not thousands of deer killed in ‘managed areas’ and seldom was CWD found in the ones killed,those that were were sensationalized to make you think it was world wide,doom and gloom poop like always.
I will point out,anything can become a problem if left unchecked,but by the time man knows about it,its usually too late even though we throw millions and millions of dollars at it after the fact.
we had the big scare here several years ago and its still talked about to this day but we still can buy a license for any season there is for deer.

I also wonder how many of us including myself have eaten deer infected with it and never got sick from it,one would guess that is because we ( or at least I hope so ) that none of us partake of the brain or spinal cord where this disease is supposed to be harbored.

as far as how many deer die annually by dog,vehicle,wolf,coyote,bobcat,etc vs CWD?? my money is on the previous vs the latter.
why do I say that?? nature by which ever means always keeps things in check even if it means extinction.

carry on.

buffalofishead doesn’t everything eventually die?

Bureaucrats
It’s sad. Some of these Government agencies were really needed and did a great service, now they mostly overreach.
As the great Motor City Madman would say “Whack em and Stack em!”

The SCRATCHER wrote:

buffalofishead doesn’t everything eventually die?

Not the Vikes chances of winning it all!

According to the dnr’s reports on the prions, once here always here….so we’re screwed in that regard.

As for the deer/elk farms….they may or may not contribute to the problem but if they were REQUIRED to have 10 foot high double fencing around the entire enclosure with no more than four feet between fences, any speculation could be dismissed.

As for the current problem in the Preston area….this falls on the legislators and DNR for putting the 4 point rule into effect in an area that most certainly did not need and extra burden of too many male deer too young to sport 4 points on a side. If you read the reports for this year the vast majority of the deer showing positive are bucks. Which sex travels the furthest the most often? That 4 point rule needs to be trashed next year before the whole of zone three is in this mess. Remember, fawns may not exhibit symptoms of the disease but can be active carriers and roughly half of the fawns born are male. Yes, some get taken that first fall but LOTS are not and have a whole second year to spread this stuff without any fear of being shot. This 4 point rule is a suck job to start with but it also increases the risk of spreading CWD exponentially each year.

Its easy to point a finger at the deer/elk farms, but for those who supported this 4 point rule try stepping in front of a mirror and take a good look at another benefactor in the cause of this.

Iowaboy1 wrote:

first off,I am having a bit of fun,I made three truthful statements,not once did I say anything about CWD even though that is what the OP posted about.

however,I have to question CWD as we have all read where there was hundreds if not thousands of deer killed in ‘managed areas’ and seldom was CWD found in the ones killed,those that were were sensationalized to make you think it was world wide,doom and gloom poop like always.
I will point out,anything can become a problem if left unchecked,but by the time man knows about it,its usually too late even though we throw millions and millions of dollars at it after the fact.
we had the big scare here several years ago and its still talked about to this day but we still can buy a license for any season there is for deer.

I also wonder how many of us including myself have eaten deer infected with it and never got sick from it,one would guess that is because we ( or at least I hope so ) that none of us partake of the brain or spinal cord where this disease is supposed to be harbored.

as far as how many deer die annually by dog,vehicle,wolf,coyote,bobcat,etc vs CWD?? my money is on the previous vs the latter.
why do I say that?? nature by which ever means always keeps things in check even if it means extinction.

carry on.

For what it’s worth, Prion diseases can take many many years to develop in your brain. In many cases of mad cow disease in Europe, there was upwards of a 30 year incubation period before humans came down with CJD (the human variant of this disease).

It’s not unreasonable to thing CWD could at some point jump to humans, and if it did, it could be a similar incubation period. It’s possible we just haven’t seen it happen yet, but it could be coming in people who have eaten a lot of CWD infected deer.

Additionally, CWD has also been found to live in lymphnodes, and I do believe I saw another article suggesting it would now found in muscular tissues, which of course is what we eat. Forgive me if that last line is incorrect, i’ll search for the article to confirm and if I find it, i’ll post it.

I’m not saying I fall completely on one side or the other of the CWD debate, but I will say I’m personally being cautious about it. I hunt Wisconsin, and i’ll be having my deer tested. If they come back positive, i’m not sure what i’ll do. I have another year to figure that out before deer season.

I think we have a lot to learn about CWD yet.

http://www.outdoornews.com/2018/12/17/another-school-of-thought-about-what-causes-chronic-wasting-disease-in-deer/

To be fair Ted Nugent has said things past that made sense. With that said he, has said more things that are just plain crazy ! BigWerm is spot on we don’t enough about it.

The problem with CWD is that it prevents a no-win situation for state wildlife agencies. Do something or do nothing and know-it-all armchair biologists like Uncle Ted will hate and vilify them either way.

We don’t know everything about CWD. The problem I have with the “do nothing” school of thought is that I don’t want to play with even potential fire, never mind the real thing IF there is some kind of tipping point out there where this disease goes nuke and spreads like wildfire, we’ll blame the DNR for not applying that ounce of prevention, but at that point what good does the blame game do us if 20 or 30 or 50% of the deer in an area die?

As I’ve said before, many of you guys are too young to remember the crash years when there was NO deer season in MN. When you’ve grown up in nothing but the best of times as far as deer numbers go, I get it, it’s beyond the imagination that anything could shut down hunting in an entire state. I don’t want to even think about that happening because unlike with bad winter kill where recovery takes a few years, with a disease, the recovery could take a decade or more.

Right now I hear guys losing their sh!t about “DNR mismanagement” of wolves causing a single digit drop in deer populations in just a one area. Can you imagine what would happen if we had a 25% heard loss that impacted the whole state?

I’m genuinely sorry for those who have their hunting altered or even stopped because of CWD reduction efforts. In my opinion, sometimes even the POTENTIAL for a bigger-scale disaster has to be the focus and not just wait and see.

Grouse

Grouse, you stated with a disease the recovery could take a decade or more. With CWD, it could potentially be even longer. The problem with CWD is the prions live on in the soil, plants, etc for years and years. It’s entirely possible you could remove deer from an area for 10 years, then when re-introduced to the area, the deer would develop CWD from prions STILL “living” in the soil. Prion diseases are truly terrifying. We’re lucky they, so far, aren’t more common in humans.

matthewkolden wrote:

Grouse, you stated with a disease the recovery could take a decade or more. With CWD, it could potentially be even longer. The problem with CWD is the prions live on in the soil, plants, etc for years and years. It’s entirely possible you could remove deer from an area for 10 years, then when re-introduced to the area, the deer would develop CWD from prions STILL “living” in the soil. Prion diseases are truly terrifying. We’re lucky they, so far, aren’t more common in humans.

Something similar happened at the Colorado State University research facility years ago. When the deer they had in their pens were diagnosed with CWD, they removed the deer and disinfected the soils in the pens with a very strong disinfectant. They kept deer out of the pens for six years. When they put deer back into the pens they contacted CWD again, presumably from the soil.

The SCRATCHER wrote:
buffalofishead doesn’t everything eventually die?

Sure, but have you seen an animal in late stages of CWD? It is an ugly way to die. The deer that I have seen alive and then were euthanized and tested positive for CWD were in terrible shape; skinny, very emaciated and could not, or would not, respond to humans approaching them. These deer would have died before reaching an age considered “old age” in the deer world.

I mentioned that my wife has shot two CWD positive white-tailed bucks. Neither of these deer showed signs of being sickly when she shot them. Both had outward appearances of being healthy.

Buffalo Fishhead

This guy seems like someone that filled the void of the guy that had his crap stolen out of the vehicle that had his name written all over it. Then got busted for poaching. There seems to be an audience for the like of these sorts. I put them in the category of those that leave there shite on the ice.

Tom Sawvell wrote:

As for the current problem in the Preston area….this falls on the legislators and DNR for putting the 4 point rule into effect in an area that most certainly did not need and extra burden of too many male deer too young to sport 4 points on a side.

This is a stretch Tom, WI holds there gun season after the peak rut time which protects the young bucks the same way the 4 point rule in MN protects the young bucks here in MN and WI has a bigger CWD problem then MN. I would have no problem doing away with the 4 point rule if MN would move the gun season out of the peak rut time when the young bucks are the most vulnerable.

BigWerm wrote:

I think we have a lot to learn about CWD yet.

http://www.outdoornews.com/2018/12/17/another-school-of-thought-about-what-causes-chronic-wasting-disease-in-deer/

This is a good read, something to think about

Steve Plantz wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>BigWerm wrote:</div>
I think we have a lot to learn about CWD yet.

http://www.outdoornews.com/2018/12/17/another-school-of-thought-about-what-causes-chronic-wasting-disease-in-deer/

This is a good read, something to think about

Interesting for sure.

The latest research from TSE specialist Dr. Bastion links CWD with spiralplasma bacteria. It was announced at a Pennsylvania Game and fish meeting. If true, a vaccine and field test(for hunters to check harvested deer) will be available soon. The Pennsylvania GF is working to save the elk and deer(wild and captive).

belletaine wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>The SCRATCHER wrote:</div>
buffalofishead doesn’t everything eventually die?

Not the Vikes chances of winning it all!

I think Hell will freeze over 1st before that happens.
Go Cowboys!

MJM wrote:

The latest research from TSE specialist Dr. Bastion links CWD with spiralplasma bacteria. It was announced at a Pennsylvania Game and fish meeting. If true, a vaccine and field test(for hunters to check harvested deer) will be available soon. The Pennsylvania GF is working to save the elk and deer(wild and captive).

Dr. Bastion’s research is very interesting but not yet conclusive. If he is correct, there may be some hope for finding cures for dementia and alsheimers. Even if he is correct, inoculating wild deer will be very challenging.

As far as Ted goes, I appreciate his efforts to defend hunting but I wouldn’t want to share a campfire with him. He’s too arrogant and narcissistic for my liking.

Much talk these days about CWD and how WI is handling it.
If they really were concerned with the disease, massive depopulation is the only true realistic measure to halt this. This would mean unlimited all deer tags, never-ending gun season, liberal legalization of baiting and attracting deer- maybe even night hunting. And, when hunters lost interest in chasing the few left, use of a bounty system. This in conjunction with winter shooting from helicopters-maybe even poisoning. Grim picture, I know, but this is the face of eradication. But, gun season is a billion dollar industry https://www.politifact.com/…/vos-says-nine-day-deer-hunt-h…/
so, it’s hard to expect them to kill off their cash cow. Selling nonresident tags for next to nothing, purchasing anterless tags at 12 dollars a pop—- WI is the Wal-Mart of deer hunting compared to Iowa and Illinois.
It’s a real issue, a new issue and here to stay- but does the WI DNR really take it that seriously??? Nope. IMHO, the biggest issue with CWD is going to be overpopulation. People are going to quit hunting. Once the disease gets over 50% in the herd, and there is easy testing, wives and girlfriends are going to be saying “don’t bring that into my house”, combined with people not wanting to risk infecting themselves or loved ones. Deer donation programs will dry up as even the government will not want to be liable for the potential infection. What will be left is hunting for bounty and trophy– the meat hunters will leave.
https://dnr.wi.gov/topic/wildlifehabitat/regulations.html?fbclid=IwAR2AAbtgRUINvL8lPAnh0T3CILUjRXweMNuFjBGF1cznABs8dfseKbDF83c

BigWerm wrote:

I think we have a lot to learn about CWD yet.

http://www.outdoornews.com/2018/12/17/another-school-of-thought-about-what-causes-chronic-wasting-disease-in-deer/

Agreed.

Not every move the dnr makes is going to be right or wrong, because of the vast unknowns. They are basically making assumptions, throwing darts at something they know little about blindfolded.

With it being able to live in the soil for x number of years, and the traveling nature of bucks, not sure small or large herd reductive measures are going to be effective or efficient on such a small scale with no way to contain past, present or current travel of deer and exposure to other animals on the edges of each deer’s home range in areas where it’s been found. Combined with it living in the soil, how do they totally know where it lives in the soil or keep deer out of areas with it living in the soil?

Not against proactive measures, but not sold they will help curb the spread with so many unknown variables.

No easy answers, no easy solutions.