UAW contract…..Yikes!

Biggill- My head is way above sand and constantly on a swivel. Growing up on the south side of Chicago will do that to a guy. Stop assuming things about me and making me into a straw man argument to shore up your reply. You don’t know me. Read my posts again and let me know if you have any answers to the questions I asked. I’m not trying to argue with you. You’re the only one engaging with me and I’m genuinely curious to hear a substantive counterpoint. I never said there shouldn’t be pay scales, and never said workers shouldn’t be able to negotiate better pay. I basically asked how a “certain ratio” of CEO pay to “median salary” works in a real business model. Do you have any data or evidence that this is a viable position? Any input you have to enlighten me beyond class envy would be appreciated.

I don’t think anyone is saying there shouldn’t be a significant ratio of CEO pay to the median salary. The problem is in 1989 it only 60-1, now it’s 366-1. But as many have stated, the workers are to blame when the price of vehicles go up?

mojocandy101 wrote:

in 1989 it only 60-1, now it’s 366-1

Good stat. That’s downright absurd.

I wonder how much the median worker UAW salary has gone up since 1989 during that time frame. I’ll bet it hasn’t gone by a multiple of 6 like the CEO’s has.

gimruis wrote:

Good stat. That’s downright absurd.

I wonder how much the median worker UAW salary has gone up since 1989 during that time frame. I’ll bet it hasn’t gone by 6 like the CEO’s has.

That’s the beauty of the ratio. It accounts for the salary increases of the worker. The CEO pay shown in this way is always relative to the worker pay.

Picklrick – if you actually read other people’s comments in this thread, you’ll see your questions have been answered numerous times. It just means your questions are not in good faith and is no wonder no one else engages with you. I know nothing about you but you’re the one who got snarky.

How do we feel about professional athletes salaries ? Say for example a QB makes $1,838,888 per season and the assistant equipment manager makes $47,335 per season. Is that fair that a QB makes 39 times what the equipment manager does ? Is one more valuable to the team than the other ? Is one replaced easier than the other ? Does one job require more Skill than the other ? Why doesn’t the equipment manager just become a QB so he can make that kind of money ? So many questions.

I can be an assistant equipment manager tomorrow.

QB, probably not. One tackle and I’d probably never get off the ground. LOL

Once again, I don’t think anyone would say the professional athlete salary is ridiculous as well.

big_g wrote:

How do we feel about professional athletes salaries ? Say for example a QB makes $1,838,888 per season and the assistant equipment manager makes $47,335 per season. Is that fair that a QB makes 39 times what the equipment manager does ? Is one more valuable to the team than the other ? Is one replaced easier than the other ? Does one job require more Skill than the other ? Why doesn’t the equipment manager just become a QB so he can make that kind of money ? So many questions.

Good point but when it’s for entertainment we can just turn our head. Vote with your feet if your not happy with your pay, get another job, get a higher education, and the best idea start your own buisness then you can pay yourself and your employees what you think is fair.

Apples to Oranges here a bit, but if we jumped from the corporate leaders of big auto to a quarterback, might as well compare them further…

Has any quarterback been given bailout money and artificially had their business propped up by the US Government? Have any quarterbacks taken free grants or government backed loans to further their businesses at the taxpayer expense?

buckybadger wrote:

Apples to Oranges here a bit, but if we jumped from the corporate leaders of big auto to a quarterback, might as well compare them further…

Has any quarterback been given bailout money and artificially had their business propped up by the US Government? Have any quarterbacks taken free grants or government backed loans to further their businesses at the taxpayer expense?

Obviously no but that’s why the government should of required them to pay it all back instead of the majority. I do not know the deal that was struck to allow them not to pay it all back? I’m all for helping an industry as long as the debt is paid back over time.

I am pretty sure GM paid back everything they received, but I am admitting that I am too lazy to look it up.

They all 3 paid back their loans, early and with interest. Seems I remember footing some money for new a stadium… where a QB plays. I wasn’t saying its the same thing, just how do people feel about one person being WAY more valuable than another in a business.

big_g wrote:

Seems I remember footing some money for new a stadium…

So you’re a big etab player eh? Isnt that the only way the stadium was paid for?

CaptainMusky wrote:

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Seems I remember footing some money for new a stadium…

So you’re a big etab player eh? Isnt that the only way the stadium was paid for?

Nope… $12M came from the general fund. AKA… taxes.

In fact, they just appropriated another $15.7M from the legislature to build a security fence around the place.

big_g wrote:

They all 3 paid back their loans, early and with interest.

Ford never took a bailout. Only GM and Chrysler did.

gimruis wrote:

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They all 3 paid back their loans, early and with interest.

Ford never took a bailout. Only GM and Chrysler did.

Ford took out a Government “loan” 6 months before they started calling them bail outs.

big_g wrote:

Ford took out a Government “loan” 6 months before they started calling them bail outs.

COrrect. Common misconception by Ford owners.

big_g wrote:

They all 3 paid back their loans, early and with interest. Seems I remember footing some money for new a stadium… where a QB plays. I wasn’t saying its the same thing, just how do people feel about one person being WAY more valuable than another in a business.

Incorrect. Did you quote that from an Obama speech?

They paid back what they were asked to pay back. They did not pay back every taxpayer dollar used to bail them out. It’s believed even the shares the government acquired and later sold as part of repayment didn’t net them what was put in.

We’ve got RINOs here arguing about the UAW contract dispute in favor of the CEOs………the CEOs who have gotten more and more wealthy from companies that should have went the way of the dinosaurs if not for the socialist bailouts and market intervention.

What a time to be alive.

CaptainMusky wrote:

I bet the hybrids and evs are different Gim. I am pretty sure the Prius my son ordered is coming from Japan too.

The RAV4 Hybrid finally arrived and I just picked it up the other day. The VIN number does not start with a 1, 4, or 5. Made in Japan.

Took 8 months to get this thing. Wife is smiling ear to ear. 41 mpg on this hog

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Nice looking ride Gim!

CaptainMusky wrote:

Nice looking ride Gim!

Looks like a Stormtrooper. May the force be with you.

gimruis wrote:

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I bet the hybrids and evs are different Gim. I am pretty sure the Prius my son ordered is coming from Japan too.

The RAV4 Hybrid finally arrived and I just picked it up the other day. The VIN number does not start with a 1, 4, or 5. Made in Japan.

Took 8 months to get this thing. Wife is smiling ear to ear. 41 mpg on this hog

Is that all it gets is 41mpg?

TillrLife wrote:

Is that all it gets is 41mpg?

I don’t really pay attention to the EV/Hybrid vehicle mileage these days, and just assumed those smaller SUVs would do much better than 41mpg. Especially since you can get mid 20s in a full sized SUV.

It seems fuel economy has been on a very flat plateau for some time.

My son’s roommates Prius albeit not an SUV but it is AWD gets 72mpg.

TillrLife wrote:

Especially since you can get mid 20s in a full sized SUV.

The previous SUV was a Ford Escape that got about half that, so this is a 50% improvement. In theory I should be buying half as much fuel.

The Toyota Highlander Hybrid is a bit bigger SUV and gets about 35 mpg. That model is over kill for what I need though.

Thought this was somewhat relevant.

Gim is that mileage projected or actual? Is it trip or normal driving?
For the extra cost of a hybrid how long does it take to get a payback on the initial cost?

I check mileage over thousands of miles not just one tank of fuel.

Definitely a nice looking ride and if the FW is happy nothing else matters.

MX1825 wrote:

Gim is that mileage projected or actual? Is it trip or normal driving?
For the extra cost of a hybrid how long does it take to get a payback on the initial cost?

I’ve only put about 100 miles on it so far and the average mileage is between 39-40 mpg. Its been a mix of city and highway driving.

The Rav4 (non hybrid) is rated for 28/35 mpg city/hwy driving. The hybrid version I have is rated for 41/38 mpg city/hwy. It actually gets better mileage when you drive in the city constantly stopping and going because its half EV. That’s one of the main reasons I bought it. Another big selling point was the miles per tank. Quite honestly I just got sick of buying gas for my wife’s SUV all time because the Escape didn’t have a very big tank. She could only go about 350 miles per tank. This RAV4 hybrid can go 600+ miles per tank. In theory I should be buying about half as much gasoline for it. It was either get a vehicle that gets better mileage or get a vehicle that has a bigger fuel tank. We chose the better mileage option.

The difference is price isn’t much. I can see anywhere from no price difference to about $3,000 based on where you buy it from.