Twins 2021

2020 was a career outlier for Bauer. I’m not saying he’s a bad pitcher by any means but he’s a career 3.90 ERA and will get you 5.2 IP per start with a 1.265 WHIP and walks almost 3.5 per 9. He gets some K’s at 9.7 K/9 so again I’m not saying he’s bad but certainly not as good as the $ he’s going to ask for.

There’s legitimate arguments to be made both ways in terms of how he could affect a clubhouse.

Do I want to see the Twins show willingness to spend on an ace? Absolutely. I just don’t think Bauer fits the bill and his aversion to multi-year deals means you had better be sure you’re going to be in the mix for the World Series.

There’s nobody out there worth the money they are asking for. I think Bauer will continue his numbers from 2020.

Also he is seeking a 2-3 year deal. He got over his aversion.

Liam Hendricks heading to the White Sox……Twins are going to be hurting if they stand pat with this bullpen.

White Sox are quickly turning into a scary team. If not this year than the next few.

Beat ya……

Lol I was wondering where Tbro16 went but I assume 61orbt might know…

Sorry to be THAT GUY but you’ll find that I’ve been saying the White Sox scare me for 2 years or so now. Falvine gotta make some moves, dawg

To be the man you have to beat the man.

White Sux have only won the off season, they still need to do it on the field.

You’all remember Hendrix was a Twin and we released him correct?

61orbt wrote:

tbro16? Hmm, i remember the name. I never liked him and his comments. Analytics and such.. gross. Since when is baseball a math equation? Jack Morris forever!!!

I’m a big Jack Morris fan too. The 10 inning complete game he pitched in game 7 of the 1991 World Series game is I think arguably the best pitching performance of all time.
Baseball’s always been a game of analytics and technology will continue to make it more so and more so. Personally, I love the analytical aspect of baseball. It’s one thing that makes baseball unique to any other sport.

Dutchboy wrote:

To be the man you have to beat the man.

White Sux have only won the off season, they still need to do it on the field.

You’all remember Hendrix was a Twin and we released him correct?

Correct, same guy. Except for the fact that he’s a reliever now and gained about 6 MPH on his stuff and throwing in the high 90s. Not a stellar year last season, but his 2019 was very impressive.

Eaton has been declining. Lynn is a number 3. Twins need to get off their butts if they want to keep pace. Just signing Cruz isn’t going to be enough plus I’m doubtful they get him anyway.

Manfred said there will be a 162 game schedule, Twins need to act like it.

Wish in one hand and crap in the other….see which one feels warmer.

Twins aren’t going to make any moves. Pohlad’s are all about making money, business. They just want the Twins to be good enough to put butts in the seats and make a bit of noise once every 4-5 years to grow the hype. But they will not spend any money unless a hometown hero comes around, like Mauer, again.

Or Donaldson.

If only we had a stats guy who could post the projected salaries of the White Sux and Twins.

I think you would see the Sux aren’t really out spending the Twins by much despite being in a large city.

Dutchboy wrote:

Just signing Cruz isn’t going to be enough plus I’m doubtful they get him anyway.

If they do re-sign Cruz they’ll handle it in true Twins fashion and tout it as a huge/major FA acquisition.

If the Twins spend in the $130 million range it would most likely put them in the top 5 payrolls in baseball this year. They are currently at $90+ million now and have a lot of needs. I would guess they get in the $115-125 range.

Keep in mind had Covid not changed the payout structure last year the Twins would’ve had a $150 million payroll…..

While it’s not the Yankees, they are much more willing to spend money that the original Pohlad regime.

toddrun wrote:

They just want the Twins to be good enough to put butts in the seats

Don’t think that matters anymore….

Jim Bowdens piece on mid off season grades for all the teams.

Minnesota Twins
Grade: F
Trades: None.
Free Agents: Hansel Robles, 1 year/$2 million.
Waiver Claims: None.
Rule 5: None.

The Twins have had an ugly offseason so far, saying goodbye to reliever Trevor May who left for the Mets in free agency, non-tendering outfielder Eddie Rosario and not yet being able to persuade designated hitter Nelson Cruz to return. They did make one move, landing reliever Hansel Robles who’s coming off a 10.26 ERA season in 18 appearances with the Angels. The best part of the offseason for the Twins is opening up a spot for one of the game’s hitting prospects in outfielder Alex Kirilloff.

Can’t argue with that.

Dutch can you be more specific? That offseason report looks like it could represent any year from 1993-2021 so I’m not sure which year it’s for.

Dan wrote:

Dutch can you be more specific? That offseason report looks like it could represent any year from 1993-2021 so I’m not sure which year it’s for.

got me.

Dutchboy wrote:

Jim Bowdens piece on mid off season grades for all the teams.

Minnesota Twins
Grade: F
Trades: None.
Free Agents: Hansel Robles, 1 year/$2 million.
Waiver Claims: None.
Rule 5: None.

The Twins have had an ugly offseason so far, saying goodbye to reliever Trevor May who left for the Mets in free agency, non-tendering outfielder Eddie Rosario and not yet being able to persuade designated hitter Nelson Cruz to return. They did make one move, landing reliever Hansel Robles who’s coming off a 10.26 ERA season in 18 appearances with the Angels. The best part of the offseason for the Twins is opening up a spot for one of the game’s hitting prospects in outfielder Alex Kirilloff.

Can’t argue with that.

Did anyone receive an A besides Mets and Padres? Just curious.

Here you go.

https://theathletic.com/2321468/2021/01/15/mlb-offseason-grades-jim-bowden/

White Sux, Padres, Mets received A’s.

A’s, Twins, Cardinals, Diamondbacks flunked.

Even the Royals got a B.

It would be so easy to squeeze a couple of quarters together and make a mid level signing to let fans think (no matter how briefly) that they were doing anything but scraping the bottom of the barrel again.

Andy McPhail was the last guy around here that pulled the big boy pants on and did something. But, sadly and predictably that was 30 years ago.

These guys we have now are the same as the others only with a bit more hype coming in.

Padres strike again. It’s being reported they will get Musgrove from the Pirates in a 3 player deal with the Mets.

All I know about the deal thus far is Musgrave doesn’t make any money and our guys can only concentrate on one deal (Cruz) at a time.

Musgrove wouldn’t be a ace for the Twins but he would be better then the other slop they intend to pick up off the scrap heap.

The Athletic is reporting Springer signing with the Blue Jays. $150 million over 6 years.

Man the trash cans are gonna echo good in the Rogers Center

The worst thing professional teams can do is – draft or develop quality talent and let it go with no return.

Twins – Rosario, perfect example.

I realize as a small market team the Twins have to depend on young talent, cannot get into the BIG spending for quality veterans, unless their name is Mauer and are home town hero’s. Rosario is my favorite active player, but the Twins should have figured out a trade scenario, he has enough value they could have worked out something. Anything in return is better than nothing.

Many years ago when I figured out the Pohlad’s had no concern for the game of baseball and competitiveness, but rather only cared about the business side and making money $$$$$$$, it made it a lot easier for me to get through the off-seasons. Unfortunately, I also quit supplying their money train and quit going to games.

You think Rosario had trade value? He was due to make way more than he was worth. Simple as that. If he had trade value they would have traded him. He might be your favorite player but that doesn’t make his defense or plate discipline any better in the eyes of GMs around the league.

Rosario is a product of the system where everybody gets a raise. He is entering his arbitration years where the numbers really jump. He will get paid like a top tier player even though he isn’t one. He is a decent power hitter with holes in his swing. He is a average defensive player. He is a fairly fast runner with streaks of poor judgement.

The fact he isn’t signed shows that he is a good player for a bad team but only a decent player for a good team. His real value should be in the 8-9 ,million dollar range.

BTW, the Twins are not a small market team. They are part of a $10 billion dollar a year corporation. It’s nearly impossible to find a team for sale although if you walked into the Twins office with $1.5 billion you could probably walk out as a owner in the MLB club. But that said, if you spent $1.5 billion would you want a annual return on your money? Owning a baseball team is a business, the Pohlads treat it like a business. Even Veeck over in St. Paul sold his soul to stay a part of MLB.

Well then, I know what I am doing when I double up on the Mega Millions and Powerball this week!!!

Eddie has his holes, I will give you that, but he also has a lot of pluses. He is easily ranked as a top 30 OF in the league last year. Any player that has no holes will make a ton more than Eddie, and play for the Yankees. As far as value, none of them are worth the money they make, but with revenue sharing, they all deserve their cut. Eddie has earned his cut.

Sorry, I came off as a prick in that prior post. That said Rosario is in no way a top 30 OF. He’s actually bottom 5 in many metrics and due to his contract situation and service time was just too expensive. If they could have found a trade partner they would have. Plus they have younger, cheaper talent at the corner OF positions. I like the guy and hope he finds a home somewhere, though. Fun and often maddening player to watch.

Eddies best way to get paid is to take a one year deal (he still will be rich) change his game and see what happens. Teams would live with his swinging out of the strike zone if he could clean up his defense and think a bit more. But the bottom line is he was released because they need to make room for Alex Kirilloff. Left field was the only place unless they were to admit Sano is a DH only.