His career stat line would be a start. Sub 3 career ERA. Has never had an ERA over 3.77. He also pitched 182 innings last season. I’m not saying that he will repeat that but he did stay healthy.
Yes he gets injured. But he’s GOOD when he plays. I agree he will most likely see his ERA rise in the AL east but I still think he will be good.
Over paid is not applicable, they get paid what the market bears. Regardless of who it is, I really doubt these GM’s are offering 10’s of millions more than the competition. That’s what the Twins FO and Pocket Protectors fail to acknowledge, yes you don’t WANT to sign FA pitcher du jour for that much or that long, but someone else will, so if you actually want to compete they need to as well.
FWIW Lewis was moved to outfield in Fall League as they had to move his position to comply with entering 2 players (Kiriloff as well I believe) into the fall league, or something along those lines. I’d love an infield of Polanco 3B, Lewis SS, Areaz 2B, and Sano 1B.
Over paid is not applicable, they get paid what the market bears. Regardless of who it is, I really doubt these GM’s are offering 10’s of millions more than the competition. That’s what the Twins FO and Pocket Protectors fail to acknowledge, yes you don’t WANT to sign FA pitcher du jour for that much or that long, but someone else will, so if you actually want to compete they need to as well.
FWIW Lewis was moved to outfield in Fall League as they had to move his position to comply with entering 2 players (Kiriloff as well I believe) into the fall league, or something along those lines. I’d love an infield of Polanco 3B, Lewis SS, Areaz 2B, and Sano 1B.
Whoa there big guy….aren’t you the guy who had such a problem with the Mauer contract or do I have you confused with somebody else? 
White Sox just locked up Luis Robert long term…ouch. They’ve definitely won the offseason thus far.
OK, I gotta admit I have never heard of this guy. White Sux have done enough to get to .500 this season. If they have everything go right they could contend in the Central.
Whoa there big guy….aren’t you the guy who had such a problem with the Mauer contract or do I have you confused with somebody else?
I think you are forgetting to remember, or is it remembering to forget? I had no problem with his contract, and wish the Twins had 3-4 more similar contracts since they could easily afford it.
Brewers sign Logan Morrison so the Twinks can cross him off the list for 1st base.
The longer this goes the more it seems like the fat kid on 1st and Gonzalez on third.
Spring training starts in about a month.
Brewers sign Logan Morrison so the Twinks can cross him off the list for 1st base.
The longer this goes the more it seems like the fat kid on 1st and Gonzalez on third.
Spring training starts in about a month.
Thank God. I thought for sure March would roll around and we’d get stuck with him again….
Who the heck wants LoMo? We already tried that, remember? And that was coming off a hot season in Tampa, not one where he spent the entire year in AAA.
Sano 3 years 30 mil. Don’t know what to make of that. Not a very trade-friendly contract on the surface so it looks like he’s probably sticking around
I disagree. $10 million per is a very team friendly contract. Backup players make millions per year these days.
Now, if he doesn’t eat himself out of the league he is set-up to make some real money on his next deal.
I like the terms of the contract but $10 million to strike out 250 times and put up 25 errors is rough. Idk hopefully he gets it together
That Sano deal is a steal, especially if he stays at third base for any length of time.
The deal is 3 years for $27MM, plus a $3MM buyout for the 2023 team option. If the Twins want to keep him in 2023, when he turns 30 during the season, they’ll have to pay $14MM, but not the buyout obviously.
So it’s 3/$30MM or 4/$41MM. Very good signing for the Twins. I wish it was a couple more years at that rate, because the MLB hitter’s prime seems to be lasting past age 30 nowadays.
Thanks – those addition details add some context. RocNation FTW I guess
That Sano deal is a steal, especially if he stays at third base for any length of time.
The deal is 3 years for $27MM, plus a $3MM buyout for the 2023 team option. If the Twins want to keep him in 2023, when he turns 30 during the season, they’ll have to pay $14MM, but not the buyout obviously.
So it’s 3/$30MM or 4/$41MM. Very good signing for the Twins. I wish it was a couple more years at that rate, because the MLB hitter’s prime seems to be lasting past age 30 nowadays.
So the team option is a additional $5 million to keep him or $3 million to let him go? That doesn’t seem right. Are we sure it isn’t a 4th year player option? Why would the team have to pay $3 million not to resign him?
I don’t mind the deal. Maybe a little more than I’d like to see but that’s based on potential. I’d have liked to have seen a slightly lower based contract with games played incentives to make up the difference. But again, I don’t mind it.
That Sano deal is a steal, especially if he stays at third base for any length of time.
All signs point to him playing first this season, which I am dreading.
Twins lose Gibson.
Gain Bailey.
Gain Hill.
Is the starting staff a bit better then last year?
If Cleveland doesn’t unload Lindor the Twinks might be battling for a wild card.
Twins lose Gibson.
Gain Bailey.
Gain Hill.Is the starting staff a bit better then last year?
If Cleveland doesn’t unload Lindor the Twinks might be battling for a wild card.
It might be if Hill comes back from surgery well and like his old (pun intended) self. The only gain with Bailey over Gibson is that Bailey can put people away. That was one of my biggest frustrations with Gibson. He’d get two strikes on someone and then they’d foul off 6-7 pitches until he either walked them or they got a hit. Didn’t have a pitch that missed bats.
You’re absolutely right Mahto. Not at all saying he’s ready to make some Cy young run (lol), but Bailey has one of the best pitches in baseball. When he started using his splitter more towards the end of the year his xwOWBA was right there with Flaherty, Paddack, and Cole. For you traditionalists, this graph shows the batting averages against each of his pitches by the month.
Should note that he uses his fastball about 50% of the time, then his slider and splitter is split pretty evenly. Really only a 3 pitch pitcher.
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We don’t think pitching in Oakland contributed?
He is a average pitcher with a career mid 4’s era.
We don’t think pitching in Oakland contributed?
He is a average pitcher with a career mid 4’s era.
It has something to do with it, but his splitter is absolutely filthy. His issue is and will be control. Not so much with walks (3/9IP for his career) but his location within the strike zone.
I don’t think I’m as fond of the move as Tbro but it he ever does find his command he could be pretty good.
While Target Field isn’t the bandbox that Great American in Cincinnati is, it’s certainly not the Coliseum either. I have to wonder why he didn’t stay in Oakland if he figured things out.
If he gets 25 starts he goes 7-9 with 4 1/2 ERA.
While Target Field isn’t the bandbox that Great American in Cincinnati is, it’s certainly not the Coliseum either. I have to wonder why he didn’t stay in Oakland if he figured things out.
If he gets 25 starts he goes 7-9 with 4 1/2 ERA.
Well that would be what we’re used to from our usual pitching staff so looks like it’ll be a wash! 
That was my point. They aren’t one pitch or one player better than last year.
We don’t think pitching in Oakland contributed?
I don’t think I’m as fond of the move as Tbro
In xwOBA, the ballpark in which he pitched in for each start individual start is contributed. So while we know that wasn’t the issue, I think the big difference between his recent success in Oakland and whatever 2020 brings in MN is the infield defense. He is able to produce a lot of weak contact with his splitter, the issue is that the infield defense he got with the As will be far, far superior than what he will get with the absolutely abysmal infield he will have in MN this year.
And to clear my name mahto, I’m not nearly as fond of the move as you think I am. I think he’s a decent #5 or 6 guy in the rotation to have to spot start in the dog days of July and August, but him projected to break camp at #3 in the rotation? Yikes.
And to clear my name mahto, I’m not nearly as fond of the move as you think I am. I think he’s a decent #5 or 6 guy in the rotation to have to spot start in the dog days of July and August, but him projected to break camp at #3 in the rotation? Yikes.
I wasn’t really thinking you were, but a little more optimistic than I am on him. At this point, though, I’m happy with anyone that isn’t named Dobnak, Smeltzer, or Thorpe getting a rotation spot.
Boy Werm, you and frydog have it all figured out. Guess we should lock this down because there’s nothing left to discuss. Hell, there’s no reason to watch. For someone who’s boycotting the twins you sure seem interested.
Must be nice standing atop that pedestal telling all us wackos how dumb we are. Most of us are all new to this. How long have the Pohlads owned the team again? 10 years? 20? 35? What? That can’t be right. We’re only now just realizing that they have a history of not spending money. Well, there’s no way in hell a team that does that can ever be competitive, let alone win a WS. That can’t be a good business model.
What? The twins won a WS? TWICE??? By teams owned by the Pohlads? Must be fake news to generate ticket and merchandise sales. Can anyone confirm this nonsense?
I guess that’s it. I guess I’ll head over to the wild thread where there’s a team that spends some money and does nothing but win championships. Just like the Vikings.
At this point, though, I’m happy with anyone that isn’t named Dobnak, Smeltzer, or Thorpe getting a rotation spot.
I also agree with you there. I do think they can all add a little something, but to go into the year knowing the Twins will likely need all of them to produce… again, yikes.
Think Cora’s still got IF range? We need to improve IF defense and it sounds like he may be looking for a job soon 
it will be the exact same process as always and the same results. The Twins will be in on a few of the bigger name Free Agents, “barely” lose out and sign a few guys off the scrap heap to make it look like they are trying. If this year didn’t teach you they have no intention of doing what it takes to take the next step, no year will.
Seems like I was right TBro, but I’m sure xwOBA will fill the seats and put us over the hump! Who cares if the Pohlads stuff another $100+ million into their pockets this year at our expense, am I rite!?!
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