Twins 2020

Jim Bowden said on the MLB Network today that the price for Donaldson likely will end up around $116 million for 4 or 5 years.

FryDog62 wrote:

Their ultimate goal is to pitch game 7 somewhere but not in November in Minnesota where it’s 38 degrees, snow banks along foul territory, ninja suits on and can see your breath.

With the WS going into November now, can you imagine what would have happened if the 1991 series would have been that late and outside at Target Field?

That’s something I wish could change. I’m probably not the only one who isn’t a fan of the game of summer being ultimately decided with neck gaiters on and hand-warming techniques for pitchers. I get it, it’s outside sports, but it’d be nice if it could wrap up in October. I honestly think baseball could shave 10 games off and no one would care, but that dips into BIGTIME money for players and owners so it’ll probably never happen. Wasn’t the schedule prior to this 162-game setup a 154-game season? I’d say knock 10 or so games off but don’t change anything with days off, because you know if they do that the players union will be fighting for more breaks, less hectic travel, etc. But the payoff could be maybe starting just a tad later and finishing in October.

Homer Bailey and Rich Hill…come on down!

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moustachesteve wrote:

Homer Bailey and Rich Hill…come on down!

When your window’s open, you have to pounce!

This franchise doesn’t change its stripes, what a joke.

Definitely typical Twins moves, but I like the Rich Hill signing. He has a nice career ERA. Hopefully he can stay healthy this year (which is ironic since that’s why nobody wanted Ryu or other FA pitchers out there)…..Homer Bailey is a MEH, has good stuff but has never really harnessed it.

Hill will not be ready till at least midseason. He is 40 years old and he had primary repair surgery. Maybe he is the lefty that can change the Yankee Curse!!

Hill & Bailey. Does that make anyone else feel all warm and fuzzy inside?

Makes me look back fondly on the Rickey Nolasco and Boof Bonser days.

Happy New Years fans………..BTW your season ticket renewals are in the mail along with your invitation to this years super exciting Twins Fest.

Walleye Man42 wrote:

Hill will not be ready till at least midseason. He is 40 years old and he had primary repair surgery. Maybe he is the lefty that can change the Yankee Curse!!

Christ…..I totally forgot about that….Love that the Twins beat writer started his piece on the signing with “On the dawn of what they hope will be a fruitful 2020, the Twins have addressed their most glaring roster void.”

He’s almost as bad as LaVelle…..

jesus…..can they just hire me to pull garbage out of a hat and sign checks? so pathetic but par for the course. Sox win the division by 15 games…..book it!

twins have done for years, and will continue to. we wait till all the good players are gone, and we sign the scraps left over.
hopefully they are saving money on this to sign Donaldson, but I don’t see that happening.

eyeguy507 wrote:

Sox win the division by 15 games…..book it!

I’m going to assume/hope that’s mostly sarcasm, but do you by chance consider yourself a gambling man? With a venmo? I’d be glad to take the field straight up on even money!

White Sux need to get to .500 before they do anything.

Dutchboy wrote:

White Sux need to get to .500 before they do anything.

Shhhhhh dutchy. Baseball has been just a small side gig in recent years, but if I can get enough money from these Falvine h8ers I can turn a pretty nice profit. Might be able to consider my profession a side gig here soon!

Hey how about this idea.
Twinks move Arraez to 3rd, fat kid to 1st and sign Dozier back to play 2nd.
Dozier got his World Series ring, has made a little money since leaving and could be had on Levine’s favorite type of contract. Cheap and one year.

Anybody still thinking the Twinks are in on Donaldson I believe are dreaming. Why would they pony up North of $100 million for that guy?

Dutchboy wrote:

Hey how about this idea.
Twinks move Arraez to 3rd, fat kid to 1st and sign Dozier back to play 2nd.
Dozier got his World Series ring, has made a little money since leaving and could be had on Levine’s favorite type of contract. Cheap and one year.

Anybody still thinking the Twinks are in on Donaldson I believe are dreaming. Why would they pony up North of $100 million for that guy?

Would have been better off moving Schoop to 3b and Sano to 1st and leaving Arraez at Second. But still leaves us with a below average defensive SS no matter how you look at it.

I think a switch for Polanco to 3b makes sense if Royce Lewis is really an elite defensive SS and can hit at least adequately.

Lewis might end up playing center field. he played there in the fall league
and was the mvp of the league. I’m glad they haven’t traded with Boston for Price.

Dutchboy wrote:

Hey how about this idea.
Twinks move Arraez to 3rd, fat kid to 1st and sign Dozier back to play 2nd.
Dozier got his World Series ring, has made a little money since leaving and could be had on Levine’s favorite type of contract. Cheap and one year.

Anybody still thinking the Twinks are in on Donaldson I believe are dreaming. Why would they pony up North of $100 million for that guy?

I would rather have the fat kid at third honestly with the throwing issues our shortspot has…..

No first baseman in sight. Maybe Logan Morrison on a 1 year deal. I wanna see if the fat kid can see his shoes, if he can then 3rd is ok.

Dutchboy wrote:

No first baseman in sight. Maybe Logan Morrison on a 1 year deal. I wanna see if the fat kid can see his shoes, if he can then 3rd is ok.

Jeff Passan from ESPN seems to think the Twins have already offered Donaldson a 4 year contract.

I just want Lew Ford back………

mahtofire14 wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Dutchboy wrote:</div>
No first baseman in sight. Maybe Logan Morrison on a 1 year deal. I wanna see if the fat kid can see his shoes, if he can then 3rd is ok.

Jeff Passan from ESPN seems to think the Twins have already offered Donaldson a 4 year contract.

Yes I know that. Anybody can offer a contract. Is it a contract that Donaldson would take? If it’s not 4 years or $100+ million, which is what several baseball people are saying it would take, then is it really a offer? My guess is if the numbers ever came out it would be 3 years at between $20 & $25 million per. Thats a long ways from $100.

Two teams that you hear all the time are Atlanta and Washington. Who by the way both have pitching which is required to win.

We will see what happens.

Dutchboy wrote:

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<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Dutchboy wrote:</div>
No first baseman in sight. Maybe Logan Morrison on a 1 year deal. I wanna see if the fat kid can see his shoes, if he can then 3rd is ok.

Jeff Passan from ESPN seems to think the Twins have already offered Donaldson a 4 year contract.

Yes I know that. Anybody can offer a contract. Is it a contract that Donaldson would take? If it’s not 4 years or $100+ million, which is what several baseball people are saying it would take, then is it really a offer? My guess is if the numbers ever came out it would be 3 years at between $20 & $25 million per. Thats a long ways from $100.

Two teams that you hear all the time are Atlanta and Washington. Who by the way both have pitching which is required to win.

We will see what happens.

That report was just posted today from Jeff Passan and it was about the Twins being in on him, and he said it was a 4 year deal. No money details though. I don’t want him personally. He’s old and a 4 year contract is ridiculous for him.

Agreed.

But keep in mind all these “experts” have to keep releasing stories as to not get scooped by their peers. Pretty stupid IMO but it’s what they do.

mahtofire14 wrote:

I don’t want him personally. He’s old and a 4 year contract is ridiculous for him.

Pitchers (especially those with a significant injury history) age a lot faster than corner infielders do

Personally the only way I’d be happy with the Twins signing Donaldson for anything around the supposed market cost of 4 yr-$100mil deal is if the contract is very heavily front loaded. Dont see that too often in baseball, though.

tbro16 wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>mahtofire14 wrote:</div>
I don’t want him personally. He’s old and a 4 year contract is ridiculous for him.

Personally the only way I’d be happy with the Twins signing Donaldson for anything around the supposed market cost of 4 yr-$100mil deal is if the contract is very heavily front loaded. Dont see that too often in baseball, though.

But you want it front loaded because of his age right?

A few reasons, but age is a large part of it, yes! Just like the idea of bigger salary hit when you’d expect them to be producing, smaller salary hit when you dont expect them to be. If they arent going to be aggressive in acquiring a high priced pitcher in the next few offseasons OR increase their payroll by 2022 (highly doubtful, im well aware) then why not front load the sh!t out of his deal?

Either way, I just disagree that it’d be “ridiculous” to offer Donaldson a 4 year deal but wouldn’t be for Ryu.

tbro16 wrote:

A few reasons, but age is a large part of it, yes! Just like the idea of bigger salary hit when you’d expect them to be producing, smaller salary hit when you dont expect them to be. If they arent going to be aggressive in acquiring a high priced pitcher in the next few offseasons OR increase their payroll by 2022 (highly doubtful, im well aware) then why not front load the sh!t out of his deal?

Either way, I just disagree that it’d be “ridiculous” to offer Donaldson a 4 year deal but wouldn’t be for Ryu.

You REALLY need pitching. You don’t really need more hitting. Both of them have had injury problems. One is almost 40. One has the one of the best ERA’s in baseball over the last 2 seasons when he’s on the field. The other has had one bad season and one great season. That’s why I think it’s ridiculous. You don’t even have 5 real starting pitching options to begin the year and if we have 100 million to spend on something we don’t need, they should be putting that towards pitching whether it’s starting pitching or bullpen depth. They still could improve the pen even more. And that seems to be more and more important for a club that can score.

Might want to check innings pitched on Ryu. He was overpaid by at least 5 million per year. If they can’t stay on the field they won’t do you a lot of good. Twins will find that out with Hill this year.

I still think last years plan was to move all the vets at the trade deadline. Then they went and messed that up by contending. I see the same intent for this summer with all these 1 year deals for mediocre players. If they catch lightning in a bottle they get something back for them. If the player sucks it’s a one year deal and away they go.

Dutchboy wrote:

Might want to check innings pitched on Ryu. He was overpaid by at least 5 million per year. If they can’t stay on the field they won’t do you a lot of good. Twins will find that out with Hill this year.

I still think last years plan was to move all the vets at the trade deadline. Then they went and messed that up by contending. I see the same intent for this summer with all these 1 year deals for mediocre players. If they catch lightning in a bottle they get something back for them. If the player sucks it’s a one year deal and away they go.

I said “when he is on the field”. I get that he’s often injured, we’ve beaten that dead horse plenty in this thread. And yes he’s overpaid, but he’s still a proven impact pitcher when he’s on the field. This debate is tiresome.

Ok, one last question. What makes anybody think this guy is that good? He played with a team thats won the west 7 years in a row. Played in the world series and championship series. He will not have a sub .350 era with Toronto. The AL East is a different animal. If he pitches over 150 innings Toronto should consider that a success.

OK I’m done with him.